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[WCS AM] Premier League Ro16 - Group A Preview

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[WCS AM] Premier League Ro16 - Group A Preview

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May 20th, 2013 12:01 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS America Season 1 - Premier League



Ro16: Group A Preview
Nestea, Snute, Alicia, Sen

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Premier League: Ro16
Group A Preview

by Waxangel.

WCS Europe had its first live, in-studio matches last week, and now it's WCS America's turn. With a high possibility of multiple ZvZ's and no players who hail from 'America,' Group A isn't the ideal kickoff MLG will have wanted for such a big occasion, but.....

[image loading] NESTEAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

...so I guess it doesn't really matter. Anyway, let's take a look at the group!


Match One kr (Z)LG-IM_NesTea vs. no (Z)Liquid`Snute

The first match of the group features a three-time GSL champion, the once undisputed King of Zerg vs. Zerg, and the player still known to many cultists as the creator of the universe, LG-IM's Nestea. In the other corner is the Norwegian powerhouse, HomeStoryCup VI champion, and the player who has enamored the Proleague production crew with his dashing good looks, Liquid's Snute.

We have to be honest with you here—we don't know what to expect. Nestea is a player we've seen so little of in HotS that he could either be a god or a pushover in this group. The only meaningful HotS games we've seen him play so far were his beatdowns against Apocalypse and Minigun in his Ro32 group, but really that's the bare minimum we expected from a player of his caliber. On top of that we haven't even seen him play ZvZ at all, although there is a record of him defeating DongRaeGu 2 - 1 at the recent Asian Indoor Martial Arts Qualifiers. On paper that is a really nice result, but it's just one result.

On the other hand, Snute has shown us a LOT more games in HotS, and he has played quite well after some initial hiccups around release. His ZvZ has looked pretty decent, being able to trade games against other Europeans and internationally inclined Koreans. However, Snute's recent trip to Korea for training is a complicating factor, as we have no idea what kind of gains he's made in three weeks. The only match we saw him play post-Korea was a horror show against (P)free in Proleague, a game so fraught with mistakes that we can only put it down to nerves (unless Snute somehow got WORSE in Korea). In any case, that's a ZvP, this is ZvZ. Having Jaedong, Zenio, and Revival (the latter two still being pretty good at ZvZ, despite their troubles in other match-ups) to practice with will surely have helped Snute improve his mirror-match abilities.

All things considered, I'm more inclined to go with Nestea here. If he was going up against one of the stronger Koreans in a non-mirror I could be doubtful, but ZvZ was always his best match-up, and skill in mirrors tends to be the most easily retained. Also, it's Nestea, so if you believe in intangibles such as veteran know-how, confidence, and experience, you have to give him the edge.


Match Two: kr (P)Axiom.Alicia vs. tw (Z)Gammania.Sen

After facing Crank in the WCS AM Ro32 just two weeks ago, Taiwan's Sen gets to go up against yet another Axiom Protoss in the Ro16. We all know Sen, the most foreign of all foreigners, residing in Taiwan for most of the year, making rare appearances on the international circuit where he inevitably takes 3rd or 4th place at a stacked tournament. For other players, Sen's Ro4 curse would be something to mock, but considering the difficulty of the tournaments he achieved those results at, it just goes to show how good Sen is. Strangely enough, a tournament called WCS 'America' is now Sen's best chance to become a more regular fixture in the international scene, over two years into his SC2 career.

We should all know Alicia as well, although somehow I don't think that's the actual case. Do you remember that time DRG finally won his first MLG season championship, when Stephano crushed Koreans and celebrated with champagne at NASL S3, or when TaeJa kicked off his summer of domination at MLG Summer Arena 2012? Well, Alicia was at all of those tournaments, finishing in second place each time. Arguably, finishing second place three times in the span of a month is a more impressive result than winning one single major. But as it turns out no one really cared, and Alicia ended up languishing on SlayerS for a few months, then became Jessica's most-hated person for a bit, before moving onto Axiom where he has been laying low for months.

So, where are we now with these two? Once again, it's hard to say. We only really saw Sen play HotS ZvP in his Ro32 group at WCS AM, where he beat HuK and lost to Crank, both in fairly close matches. He seemed to favor a roach-hydra style, with ultralisks being his weapon of choice in the late game—nothing too strange. Crank will surely have saved all those reps and handed them off to Alicia, which means Sen will have to play the same strats at his own risk. In HotS, Acer TeamStory Cup is the only place we've been able to see his PvZ until just a few nights ago, where he lost to Symbol in a not particularly informative match (he lost after some failed gate pressure). Due to the advantage of having a teammate who played against him so recently, I'll give the edge to Alicia here.


Overall outlook and Predictions

A lot of Zerg players complained about ZvZ being a dice-roll once it reaches the muta-stage, so one thing to look out for will be if the spore colony buff has changed anything at all. Nestea's been at work at the LG-IM laboratory, Snute down in the trenches with EG-TL, while Sen... who knows how Sen prepares, but we assume he's figured something out on the ZvZ end. Sen has always been excellent at ZvZ, and was an avid user of mutalisks even before they became the 100% standard, so he's definitely not lacking compared to the two other Zergs in this group.

Nestea > Snute
Alicia > Sen
Nestea > Alicia
Sen > Snute
Sen > Alicia

Nestea and Sen advance


Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 20 2013 12:17 GMT
#2
Sen shall be third place.

It's his destiny!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
May 20 2013 12:37 GMT
#3
I really want Sen to advance... He is so mighty.
Jaedong <3
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
May 20 2013 12:43 GMT
#4
Nestea got this. As for second place, any of the other are fine.
Flash | Mvp
badeanden
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway56 Posts
May 20 2013 12:46 GMT
#5
Snute will advance from this group easy peasy :D
Snute will be the new Stephano in 2013! Mark my words
sGLA
Profile Joined March 2013
35 Posts
May 20 2013 12:47 GMT
#6
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 20 2013 12:50 GMT
#7
Nestea 4-0 and whoever he's merciful enough to spare in 2nd :p
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
bloodyrooster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States15 Posts
May 20 2013 12:57 GMT
#8
I don't see Alicia going down
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
May 20 2013 13:07 GMT
#9
Snute and Sen advance. Snute and Sen both have top 3 ZvZ among foreigners (the 3rd being Scarlett, I'd say Nerchio 4th at his prime but Nerchio has been sucking lately T_T) so unless NesTea is an peak performance today he shouldn't beat either of them. I feel like NesTea will beat Alicia and Sen will GODSTOMP Alicia, while Snute in turn would be god stomped by Alicia because Snute's strength is almost completely his ZvZ. I see Snute fortunately avoiding a confrontation with Alicia. Sen or Snute 1st, too hard to call. NesTea 3rd. Alicia 4th.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 20 2013 13:10 GMT
#10
I want to know why Alicia hasn't been playing for Axiom in GSTL. Maybe preparing for WCS? I hope he advances
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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2958 Posts
May 20 2013 13:17 GMT
#11
On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals.


Well, in order to do this, more changes would be required, imo:

- More korean tournaments, because many players over there try to play StarCraft 2 professionally, with only 4 tournaments every year, that's pretty hard to do. Ideally, the GSL's/OSL's are no longer the qualifier, so... kinda the same format as everywhere else.

- More korean spots for the global finals. It's simply not fair to give the same amount of spots to a MUCH weaker qualifier, imo. Better league = more spots.

But keeping the Koreans out of the foreign qualifier, then cutting most of the tournaments is a pretty bad thing to do, imo.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 20 2013 13:19 GMT
#12
Alicia is gonna 4-0
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 20 2013 13:21 GMT
#13
On May 20 2013 22:17 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals.


Well, in order to do this, more changes would be required, imo:

- More korean tournaments, because many players over there try to play StarCraft 2 professionally, with only 4 tournaments every year, that's pretty hard to do. Ideally, the GSL's/OSL's are no longer the qualifier, so... kinda the same format as everywhere else.

- More korean spots for the global finals. It's simply not fair to give the same amount of spots to a MUCH weaker qualifier, imo. Better league = more spots.

But keeping the Koreans out of the foreign qualifier, then cutting most of the tournaments is a pretty bad thing to do, imo.



I completely forgot this was supposed to be WCS America lol. By allowing the Koreans they've made it into a complete joke of a "regional" tourney, but there's at least some good players. SHOUTcraft America is a much better tourney in terms of a regional tournament.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
May 20 2013 13:36 GMT
#14
On May 20 2013 22:10 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I want to know why Alicia hasn't been playing for Axiom in GSTL. Maybe preparing for WCS? I hope he advances


Well, Round of 16 is offline, so he is probably in America for the next several weeks.

He may have been getting his stuff in order for his move there.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
May 20 2013 14:01 GMT
#15
no americans in whats supposed to be an NA tournament.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
May 20 2013 14:04 GMT
#16
alicia will laugh at them all and 4-0!
seoul_kiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States545 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 14:06:24
May 20 2013 14:06 GMT
#17
On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals.


How many viewers on average for Shoutcraft America?
How many viewers on average for WCS America?

Exactly.

And if you wanted to be really fair then the qualifying spots in each region should show a heavier bias to Korea just because of the global skill differential.
oGs.MC: Repair IMBAAAAAAAAAAa
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
May 20 2013 14:16 GMT
#18
On May 20 2013 23:06 seoul_kiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals.


How many viewers on average for Shoutcraft America?
How many viewers on average for WCS America?

Exactly.

And if you wanted to be really fair then the qualifying spots in each region should show a heavier bias to Korea just because of the global skill differential.

out of curiousity, how much do each get? i don't get the opportunity to watch much sc2 these days
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bongling
Profile Joined March 2013
41 Posts
May 20 2013 14:25 GMT
#19
hahahaha you noobie, just kidding, but you noobie
zEEzz
Profile Joined October 2012
93 Posts
May 20 2013 14:31 GMT
#20
Alicia > Sen
Sen > Alicia


I'll never understand TL's bets.
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