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On May 20 2013 23:31 zEEzz wrote:
Alicia > Sen
Sen > Alicia
I'll never understand TL's bets.
Simple. They believe Sen and Alicia are close enough in ZvP skill that neither can consistently beat the other for the result to end up the same in both encounters (this happens fairly often in groups). Or rather, it could go either way.
Personally, I think Alicia beats Sen twice sadly :/. I thought his ZvP was better, but he really struggled against Crank and Huk.
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On May 20 2013 22:21 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:17 Swisslink wrote:On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals. Well, in order to do this, more changes would be required, imo: - More korean tournaments, because many players over there try to play StarCraft 2 professionally, with only 4 tournaments every year, that's pretty hard to do. Ideally, the GSL's/OSL's are no longer the qualifier, so... kinda the same format as everywhere else. - More korean spots for the global finals. It's simply not fair to give the same amount of spots to a MUCH weaker qualifier, imo. Better league = more spots. But keeping the Koreans out of the foreign qualifier, then cutting most of the tournaments is a pretty bad thing to do, imo. I completely forgot this was supposed to be WCS America lol. By allowing the Koreans they've made it into a complete joke of a "regional" tourney, but there's at least some good players. SHOUTcraft America is a much better tourney in terms of a regional tournament.
Yeah but look at the quality of games in the Shoutcraft tournaments. I understand people want to watch their home nation's players but if the skill is that different it's awful to watch. If 5 NA players entered the Season 1 finals the only way one would progress even a single round is if they were against another NA player. It's not entertaining to watch plays that look bronze league compared to the GM in GSL.
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Did i read this article just righ that waxangel just cursed nestea^^
Snute got this He is a tournament player. ESET UK masters and HSC.. im not a snute fanboy, but the tournament setting seems to perfectly fit snute.
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sen wins wcs america USA USA USA
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On May 20 2013 23:06 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals. How many viewers on average for Shoutcraft America? How many viewers on average for WCS America? Exactly. And if you wanted to be really fair then the qualifying spots in each region should show a heavier bias to Korea just because of the global skill differential.
Well, Shoutcraft had up to 20k viewers. I m not sure, but i guess, that WCS America didnt make much more --> and they have the way bigger franchise name.
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Nestea advances for sure, 2nd would be difficult
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On May 20 2013 22:17 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals. Well, in order to do this, more changes would be required, imo: - More korean tournaments, because many players over there try to play StarCraft 2 professionally, with only 4 tournaments every year, that's pretty hard to do. Ideally, the GSL's/OSL's are no longer the qualifier, so... kinda the same format as everywhere else. - More korean spots for the global finals. It's simply not fair to give the same amount of spots to a MUCH weaker qualifier, imo. Better league = more spots. But keeping the Koreans out of the foreign qualifier, then cutting most of the tournaments is a pretty bad thing to do, imo.
Agreed. Big independent tournaments apart from the WCS should be still there. And no doubt, there should be more slots for korea as long as the quality is much higher. Both doesnt seems impossible to manage imho.
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Why is WCS America boring af. Shoutcraft is actually entertaining
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On May 21 2013 00:27 Mindflow wrote:
Why is WCS America boring af. Shoutcraft is actually entertaining
Entertaining due to the casters and pre game BM but the level of play is pretty off kilter after watching WCS EU and KR. I enjoyed it for the storylines but the games are pretty bad.
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It's funny how WCS KR is as good as always, WCS EU is refreshing and interesting and WCS NA ended up some Korean-B players tournament that no NA lover will care about. So far for making the SC2 scene known or relevant in the US.
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On May 20 2013 23:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:06 seoul_kiM wrote:On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals. How many viewers on average for Shoutcraft America? How many viewers on average for WCS America? Exactly. And if you wanted to be really fair then the qualifying spots in each region should show a heavier bias to Korea just because of the global skill differential. out of curiousity, how much do each get? i don't get the opportunity to watch much sc2 these days
Every region gets 5 + 1 for the host-region.
And that'd be just ridiculous if the Koreans were not allowed to participate in other regions.
I agree that the current system sucks, but just "keep the Koreans out" is not fair at all.
Agreed. Big independent tournaments apart from the WCS should be still there. And no doubt, there should be more slots for korea as long as the quality is much higher. Both doesnt seems impossible to manage imho
Well, then let's hope they'll find a solution :-P
But I really don't want to see 5-6 American players in the global finals - because at least 4-5 of them would just get demolished by everyone else. And I don't think that's the idea behind the tournament xD
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On May 20 2013 23:06 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 21:47 sGLA wrote:
Sorry, i stil think its a mistake to allow WCS America to be WCS Korea 2. I really like the Shoutcraft America Event - There I can see the best american players atm. That is interesting. And i think, that Shoutcraft America is, what WCS America should be. I really hope blizzard will change the rules, so that WCS will be local until the Finals. How many viewers on average for Shoutcraft America? How many viewers on average for WCS America? Exactly. And if you wanted to be really fair then the qualifying spots in each region should show a heavier bias to Korea just because of the global skill differential.
Big time yankee alert
Dude for real. Its just a big international tournament, nothing more nothing less. The NA/EU/KR tag only means the offline part will be played in those continents, nothing more nothing less. Its free to watch and it is the biggest tournament with the best players in the world ever. Dont like it, just dont watch and go somewhere else and cry.
If u like shoutcraft, go watch that but do not bitch against tournaments that have the highest level of play. I like to watch amateur zotac every sunday, but that doesnt mean its give me to right to bitch about USAUSAUSA.. regionblabla-cry... plz just go away or stop ur whining.
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On May 20 2013 23:31 zEEzz wrote:
Alicia > Sen
Sen > Alicia
I'll never understand TL's bets.
^ this lol
NesTea and Alicia #america
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Poland3775 Posts
(unless Snute somehow got WORSE in Korea)
I recall that either NaNiwa or MaNa said, that being in Korea for short period of time actually makes you a worse player. You have to be there for longer and I think it was >1month longer
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On May 20 2013 23:31 zEEzz wrote:
Alicia > Sen
Sen > Alicia
I'll never understand TL's bets.
That prediction makes as much sense as the number of Koreans in North America WCS.
I would say:
Nestea > Snute
Alicia > Sen
Alicia > Nestea
Sen > Snute
Sen > Nestea
Alicia and Sen advance. Why? Cause Nestea's age and maybe he's still jet-lagged.
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alicia only has one MU to prepare for, he's gonna crush face, sen to continue as well - they both have a 2nd/3rd placement to reach this tourney!
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EPT
