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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 06 2013 05:54 GMT
#12
/confirm
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 06:02 GMT
#154
Sandro, when you are around, I would like to know your thoughts on the above post by Mattchew.

I should be around in 8 hours or so
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 12:08 GMT
#169
On February 14 2013 20:53 sandroba wrote:
@syllo I don't see anything alignment indicative in matchew's post. If anything, it's slightly townie to say something like that, even though it's not a good way to go about things. I wonder why you singled out that post instead of zessionar who over explained his risk vote and when confronted about his explanation he backed off.


I singled it out because it was one of the few posts with somewhat controversial content and I wanted to see if you would reach reach the same conclusion as I did, which you did. Zessionar's explanation didn't jump out to me as over explaining. I looked at him again and while his explanation seems somewhat nonsensical, he has been fairly active and spammy so far, which is slightly towny. I also think that his question asking why someone else is smurfing is feels genuine, in particular because he himself appears to be smurfing and perhaps thought that WeWinMafia's reasons for smurfing differ from his, perhaps in a way that to him might be alignment indicative.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 12:42 GMT
#174
Vivax I assume you mean WeWinMafia, not Zessionar, in which case I agree. I don't consider it likely that he was going to fake claim Sandroba no matter which alignment he rolled, in particular with me playing. It's difficult to assign a mafia or town motivation for that "i prepared a bunch of traits pregame so i can fake claim whomever" post, but the post doesn't seem to serve any discernable purpose. It feels to me like a post that he believes will be interpreted as towny, which could be a mafia motivation.

WeWinMafia if you are town, you should claim your identity because some of what I said above is only applicable if you are who I think you are.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 15:36 GMT
#213
On February 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:
I've never seen syllo and sandro in the game at the same time, yet I'm supposed to know they're all buddy buddy all the time?

Zess being stupid with that vote. Why are you trying to accuse me over questioning syllo's intentions?

What did you think about the post of mine you asked risk about?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 15:51 GMT
#220
On February 15 2013 00:41 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 00:36 syllogism wrote:
On February 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:
I've never seen syllo and sandro in the game at the same time, yet I'm supposed to know they're all buddy buddy all the time?

Zess being stupid with that vote. Why are you trying to accuse me over questioning syllo's intentions?

What did you think about the post of mine you asked risk about?

At first I thought it weird, because I saw you as attempting to get sandro's read while giving nothing from yourself. There are two explanations, one that you're mafia and trying to buddy strong town Sandro, or two that you're town trying to get a read on him. I asked because it's still weird if you're town to pick Sandro, but knowing now that you guys do it all the time it makes more sense.

But you did exactly the same thing when you asked risk a question. Why did you choose risk? Would it have been weird if you had asked Sandro?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 16:27 GMT
#241
WeWinMafia are you going to claim who you are and explain the motivation behind the strange post in which you describe your smurfing strategy?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 14 2013 16:45 GMT
#251
On February 15 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:33 risk.nuke wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:25 yamato77 wrote:
On February 15 2013 01:23 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't think Zess likes me. Not actually sure if he's mafia or idiot.

Why don't you think Zess likes you, and why is his opinion of you alignment indicative at all?

Read his posts and tell me if you reach a different conclusion otherwise I can't really be bothered to copying his posts and interpreting them for you..

It's not. However making up reasoning is.

Well I guess it makes sense since he jumped on me for the same kind of shit.

Do I see a trend appear? Who's next on his list, Marv?

This post seems off; do you think marv and risk are town? What is your current read on Zess?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 09:30 GMT
#409
On February 15 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading this thread constantly yet I find no will whatsoever to comment on anything. Toad and Zes are spamming the thread and producing no info whatsoever, marv seems content to comment without actually moving things alone and syllo has yet to come here and complain I'm not posting enough and has been pretty inactive himself. For now I'm set on lynching ObviousOne, because he is lurking the most and I have no background on him or Coagulation who I've yet to see do anything relevant in any game I played with him (also because I enjoy lynching jackal, so his offspring will have to do in his absence).

I never really have a problem with you not posting enough, but rather with what you post when you do, and certainly not when am not finding anything worth commenting on. Content-wise I've so far either agreed with everything you have said or found your reads consistent with what I would expect.

This game doesn't have enough content producers and has a bunch of people who rarely post enough to get a good read of them, which is why I wouldn't mind lynching someone like ObviousOne. However, looking at the very little he has posted so far, I'm not confident that he will flip mafia. In his newbie games he has been much more useful than he has so far been in this game, but it's still difficult to believe this is how he would post as mafia; he isn't even trying to fake content, but rather seems proud about the lack of it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 10:08 GMT
#410
Oh it's an extended majority lynch too. Perhaps lynching someone who is so far unreadable and who isn't likely to post much isn't a terrible idea for a day 1 lynch with the way things are right now. I'm still suspicious of Yamato, but the longer post above looks ok and the wagon hasn't met much resistance so far.

Marvel do you actually find hiropro's yamato vote and the later justification suspicious? Do you have a read on yamato?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 10:47 GMT
#412
What I previously said about Zessionar isn't really applicable since he ended up being supersoft. I think his tone has been slightly off so far, especially his earlier posts, but it may be due to him trying to be less abrasive. I don't think that's nearly enough evidence to day 1 lynch someone who has at least shown some indication that he wants to keep the town talking, however.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 11:12 GMT
#414
I don't conjure up content out of nothing. On day 1 catching mafia relies on mafia slipping since it's pretty much impossible to make a case based on some sort of overall attitude towards the game. I've pointed out a few more specific things I've found suspicious, but other than that right now my lynch of choice would be mostly by the process of elimination and that's thin given that I've only around five or six decent town reads.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#416
You are absolutely right, it doesn't, which is why I said that the game doesn't have many "content producers", by which I mean people who post a lot even when there is little to talk about. Early on even rather meaningless banter can be helpful as it gives people the option to comment on things and puts some pressure on people who aren't talking at all.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 15:07 GMT
#455
On February 16 2013 00:00 sandroba wrote:
@marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me.

@syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town.

You are right, I should be doing more, but I'm not. Fortunately it has nothing to do with alignment and everything to do with my uncertainty and the fact I don't think there is much if any useful (in the sense I can do something with it) content so far. How about you stick around and we do something because as it is I'm not motivated enough to push this town alone towards something useful. It's in particular difficult with a lot of players just being non-entities and making it less appealing to go after people who are actually here.

I agree with you on marv, I'm not happy with how he is playing so far. For instance the post where he was "hoping to god" that we aren't both mafia looked suspicious to me, because I think he is fairly confident in his capacity to read us and neither of us is known for strong mafia play.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 15:15 GMT
#465
On February 16 2013 00:10 sandroba wrote:
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?

His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 15:32 GMT
#474
On February 16 2013 00:19 sandroba wrote:
Btw yamato wagon, despite meeting very little resistance, could very well be right too, he is doing very little compared to what I've seen from him in his past town games.
@Yamato if you are town this game you need to step up, because from the game we played together I know you can be way more useful than this.

I still don't like this post by him and the longer post in which he explains it and some other things seems overdone.

On February 15 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:
Well I guess it makes sense since he jumped on me for the same kind of shit.

Do I see a trend appear? Who's next on his list, Marv?


Another thing that makes Yamato a compelling lynch are his interactions with Marv. Marv questioned him a bit after I called yamato out for this post, but it was pretty weak and he didn't go anywhere with it. He also seemed to jump on anyone who voted yamato. I may be overreading because that would be a rather audacious mafia strategy, but I think Marvel should have been suspicious of yamato at that stage. Yet he seemed more worried about the people voting for him, in a way that looked exaggerated to me.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 15:39 GMT
#483
On February 16 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:32 syllogism wrote:
On February 16 2013 00:19 sandroba wrote:
Btw yamato wagon, despite meeting very little resistance, could very well be right too, he is doing very little compared to what I've seen from him in his past town games.
@Yamato if you are town this game you need to step up, because from the game we played together I know you can be way more useful than this.

I still don't like this post by him and the longer post in which he explains it and some other things seems overdone.

On February 15 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:
Well I guess it makes sense since he jumped on me for the same kind of shit.

Do I see a trend appear? Who's next on his list, Marv?


Another thing that makes Yamato a compelling lynch are his interactions with Marv. Marv questioned him a bit after I called yamato out for this post, but it was pretty weak and he didn't go anywhere with it. He also seemed to jump on anyone who voted yamato. I may be overreading because that would be a rather audacious mafia strategy, but I think Marvel should have been suspicious of yamato at that stage. Yet he seemed more worried about the people voting for him, in a way that looked exaggerated to me.


Please provide evidence for all of this. Because it's not how I recall anything happening at all.

You were hostile towards Vivax and Hiropro for their yamato votes. It may be just a coincidence and more to do with their lack of justification but I think vivax looked much better than yamato at the time, which is why I expected you to be more interested in pressuring yamato more. Anyway, it's not particularly relevant today as I'm not willing to lynch or even push you today and overall the evidence is quite tenuous.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794746
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794796
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 16:14 GMT
#505
On February 16 2013 01:04 sandroba wrote:
@syllo any thoughts on hopeless? Do you think the phrase construction stuff stands and is relevant?

I don't know him well and the filters don't immediately jump at me as different. He has used a bit more qualifiers than he did as town in mario, that's about all I can say so far. It may be relevant, but I'm not convinced as of now.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 16:35 GMT
#522
On February 16 2013 01:17 Mattchew wrote:
i think that artanis is asking a lot of questions without drawing a ton of actual conclusions. He is also commenting a lot on the general play of individuals and the overal game instead of focusing on what I would consider scum hunting. He is blending in really well IMO.

Marv, syllo and Sandroba what do you think of this?

Artanis seems to be following the thread pretty closely and has been quite aggressive/assertive and confident (See e.g. this post). I don't understand how you could characterize his filter as "blending in very well"; he voiced out several suspicions and has been willing to reconsider people based on new evidence (he was suspicious of risk.nuke and then changed his mind). I've absolutely no reason to consider him a good lynch candidate for today.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 17:42 GMT
#540
Yamato who do want to lynch besides Zess/Supersoft? So far your filter looks closer to British Empire (mafia) than Parallel worlds (town). Perhaps you were slightly more defensive in British empire than in this game.

On February 15 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hey I'm supersoft and I'm going to spam away two pages of the thread talking about masons and strange german McDonald's menu items

Totes town tho

##Vote Zessionar

Can you find another instance of you being concerned about spamming? What do you think he was trying to spam away?
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