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On November 29 2012 08:56 DarthPunk wrote: If I sniped your /in you can take my spot. No no. I'm playing in Chrono and PlanetSide 2 just came out last week, or I would have /in'd yesterday. Mabye if I do /replacement I'll actually play the game on my own without having the time commitment Every time I /obs, I end up getting lazy and just not reading. | ||
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On November 29 2012 09:00 Promethelax wrote: watch out, I thought I'd have a better time just replacing and I wouldn't be in a full game. Than ACME happened. I understand that. I can play 2 games at once if I'm needed. I'll just have to put PlanetSide down until late night when everyone goes to bed and the forums are dead | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:51 Blazinghand wrote: I made by far the best case against DP, a solid (though as it turns out, ultimately incorrect) meta case. I sat down and did the homework on it. I'm gonna admit the reasoning on the MrZ vote was bad, but if your critique of my play is "BH swaps around a lot" then yeah okay I swap around a lot, but that's just how I roll. This is the part that I disagree with. He pointed out a direct counter-point to your claim, but that didn't change anything? "Herp derp, Here's what DP only does when he's scum." "Oh wait, he did that as town before too? DOESN'T MATTER STILL SCUM." That's such faulty logic that I find it hard to believe that you actually believed that. The case itself was fine, but when presented evidence to the contrary, you just didn't care and kept on tunneling. | ||
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On December 02 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote: I'm either tunnelling or wishy-washy you can't have it both ways Wat, I never said you were wishy-washy. | ||
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On December 02 2012 10:49 Blazinghand wrote: I explained why DP's exceptions didn't count, the only one that was sensible was the one from his newbie game, his first game as town. In retrospect, okay, that wasn't great. Like, yes, I was wrong, DP flipped town. And yes, I was the one who led the charge, so I deserve blame for that. In fact, I was ALSO the final, deciding vote in the final voteswitch AWAY from DYH and TO DP. DP's blood is on my hands, and it was by my hands as well that the scummy DYH lived. But I stand by what I did, given what I knew at the time, and though I was wrong, that doesn't necessarily make me scum. You're right. Being wrong doesn't make you scum. It's the reasons behind WHY you were wrong that make you scum. Humor me for a bit, though. DP countered with a "big case post" from Mario and you said it didn't count because that wasn't how he opened the game. So only the first person he pressures counts? What is the arbitrary cut-off for when it becomes acceptable for him as town to start posting big cases? And you realize that LC quote was on Day 2, right? I mean, at that point he had as much information as the GSL Mini post that you discredited because it was over 48 hours into the game. So which is it; does the length of his post stop counting after day 1? Or only when he's scum does it stop counting? Why did you not reference ACME, where as scum, he didn't make a single big case day 1? He had a few light pokes at people and rode the fake-mason claim to a day 1 lynch, THEN made a longer case on kush during the night. And why does his newbie game not count? I mean, certainly DP has gotten more comfortable playing since then, but you were blatantly misrepresenting your case in saying "DP never does this as town, only when he's scum!" when what you meant is that "DP hasn't done this lately as town." There's a HUGE difference there. | ||
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On December 02 2012 17:10 DoYouHas wrote: Here is my thinking on Ace before I go to bed. Think back to early in day 1 where debears was really going after me for my first post which boiled down to me not wanting people to sheep Ace because he was Ace. The back and forth between us lasted longer than it probably should have, but at the end of it one thing was sure. Nobody was going to be overtly sheeping Ace based on reputation. So then there were a couple posts which caught my eye from Ace: What do these posts do? they certainly don't provide any explanation for anything that he is saying. What I see them doing is spreading suspicion. Suddenly 3 of the more veteran players in the game besides Ace have 'something off' about them. "I highly doubt all 3 are town" is an easy statement to make as it reflects what pretty much all of us are thinking, but he takes it a step further and suggest that 2/3 are more likely than not to be scum. And what reasons do we have to suspect those three that we didn't have before Ace posted? None. Ace simply invites us to entertain the possibility, throws the weight of his name behind it, and let's our fears of being against a powerful scum team fill in the reasons for him. Then we get the debears-Shaoipi-DYH interaction (a strange name since I'm pretty sure I haven't interacted with Shaoipi). Now there are 3 more people that have had an interaction which caught Ace's eye. Again, Ace has managed to direct people's attention to targets of his choice without ever providing a reason aside from "I'm Ace". The interaction, renamed the Shaoipi-VE-DP interaction in the second post, but, as far as I can tell, is referencing the same thing as the first post (I could be wrong, but Ace certainly didn't make it easy on me, since he gives no details and no explanations) is now "weird". So what do those posts do? At their face they are meant to make us think that he is scumhunting, looking at things which your average player doesn't grasp. But what they actually do is prey on people's instinct to think "there must be something to these suspicions if Ace is spending his time on it". Ace wasn't trying to lead the town down the right or wrong path, he was simply facilitating the town destroying each other. P.S. It is also possible that he really just didn't give a crap about the town. It would really irritate me if he was playing against his win condition by making no attempt to win the rest of the town to his reads. Good night. I can't say what Ace was doing, because I have no idea. But I'll be working to do whatever I can to prove that I am town. Starting with lynching scum tomorrow. | ||
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BlazingHand is scum I've already explained my problems with the reasons he pushed DP. But now lets look at HOW he pushed DP: + Show Spoiler [Quotes from this game] + On December 01 2012 11:01 Blazinghand wrote: DP is scum btw As town he throws around 1-liners and votes aggressively with questionable amounts of explanation. He doesn't afraid of anyone. As scum he's still aggressive, but he's very methodological. Up until his post on Lazermonkey he was playing more like his town meta but town DP rarely/never makes big posts like that, especially early game. Contrast his D1 play in Mario Mini (town) where he drops votes like they're hot (link) (link) with his game in LC where he writes out long posts that look exactly like this lazermonkey post (link) (note: this one ends in an FoS because Marv was being lynched that game). This is now aggro town DP this is plodding scum DP. ##vote DarthPunk On December 01 2012 11:08 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah DP I'm gonna be real here you're playing quite a bit like scum DP. But Marv is.. sigh... right and WBG contradicting himself on his face like that really REALLY is scummier than you playing to your scum meta. You've got no credibility with me baby. On December 01 2012 17:08 Blazinghand wrote: I have no comments on WBG at this time other than that his explanation for his statements on xatalos is acceptable to me. How scummy are you based on this meta case that you claim has exceptions but really only has one exception, which is a newbie game, your first game ever as town? Very scummy. How scummy are you based on the fact you clearly didn't read or click through the links on the case but just blindly attacked it, and me, and despite calling me scummy are afraid to vote me due to my veteran status? Very scummy. I've got nothing to say to you or in response to any of your statements about Lazermonkey. On December 01 2012 16:58 Blazinghand wrote: Also, btw, the fact that you think I didn't read your mini mafia filter when it's one of the things I linked in my case against you indicates to me even more that you really didn't read my case. All you care about is squirming your way out of this lynch like the slimy scum player you are. At LEAST read the case against you, man! I could keep quoting more, but my point is, all BH did was get in a pissing contest with DP. He never actually tried to convince anyone that DP was scum. He was trying to convince DP that DP was scum. So let's look at some recent BH town games: + Show Spoiler + Mario He makes an early case on Z-BosoN, the claimed miller: On November 13 2012 15:39 Blazinghand wrote: Z-BosoN should be aware it's on him as a non-DT-checkable player to distinguish himself as town, and what he's posted so far is all bullshit. ZB wanted a wagon to hop on with minimal discussion, so he puked some posts out into the thread and slapped down some poop vote. He voted debears, but unvoted him basically immediately. His reason for voting debears is also crap since debears doesn't see a need to worry about ZB right away. ZB says this: and that's basically wrong. The fact that debears essentially ignores ZB's claim (which is the right move-- it's clearly a null tell) is COMPLETELY normal. And look at this sentence from ZB-- it's a meta case about debears comparing meta from PREVIOUSLY IN THE THREAD. That's not meta. That's bullshitting. Z-B iquickly moves over to another shitcase before peacing out of the thread: S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it: First off, a crap explanation. Everyone wants to appear as town cause getting lynched hurts your side no matter whether you're town or scum. A more correct explanation would talk about how VTs wouldn't claim VT because it narrows down potential blue snipes, and how he believes S&B was serious and not joking in that post. A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation. ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. Let's splatter this guy. ##vote: Z-Boson Now, what does he do afterwards? On November 13 2012 15:54 Blazinghand wrote: Kickstart it's interesting to hear what you have to say about the S&B wagon being bad, but it's more important to hear what you think in terms of who you think the scum is. Be forceful. Check out my masterful post attacking ZB for an example of what you should do. Just calling people town or making weak questionings of Hapa wont' help. If you think Hapa is scum, go prove it. be a man. do the right thing. On November 13 2012 16:48 Blazinghand wrote: well, it was bad before because S&B's scum play isn't like this. He's a bit more aggressive and not afraid to stake out positions. But now it's infinitely worse cause you cowered away and said it was just pressure. Be a man and vote for someone you want to actually lynch. How can anyone hold people accountable for votes that are "just pressure?" Read and comment on my ZB case. It's not worthless like your crap vote on S&B: I actually want to lynch ZB, and ZB is actually scum. be useful and vote to lynch someone, not to "pressure" them. Or if you're gonna pressure someone, at least don't tell him you're doing it. ._. On November 13 2012 17:03 Blazinghand wrote: cause he's town. it's not my job to defend the man, just to point out the scum on his wagon. read his filter and tell me that's scum S&B seriously dude etc. etc. Whose Line Starts with a large case on Adam: On November 01 2012 04:44 Blazinghand wrote: I've been back and posting. Gonzaw. Basically, Adam typically opens up with big paragraphs and direct Q/A (see any of his games for examples of this). However, in games like TL Mafia LI when he rolls scum, he also opens up with big pieces of analysis, and more importantly, he hides behind questioning other players. In NMM III, he jumps in (as a replacement, admittedly), with accusations and direct confrontation against SS. Arkham City, although a bit on the old side, shows a classic "Adam as town opening post" This is a post where he lays down solid opinions, makes a case and a post, and although his vote on JB isn't great, he gets his stuff together. Even in our first game together, Student Mafia, he comes out strong, actively assessing players in the thread and laying down reads, not asking pointless questions. Here's his first posts from this game, as a contrast: He's operating under a posting restriction, sure, but look at what he's doing: he's stalling, deflecting, and asking questions rather than making statements and putting on pressure. After I call him out, he says this: This is not town Adam. Town Adam is fearless, open with his thoughts, and votes at the drop of a hat. In fact, here's town Adam's opinion of my play from our last game together, our first newbie game: This is a response of a player who doesn't already know the alignment of the guy he's talkign with, a player who's trying to reason things out and learn. He wants to use my activity as a tool for himself (in this game I threw a vote on him very early with minimal evidence as well). He wants to figure out what I'm doing, who I am, and how to use me to find scum, if I'm not scum. He immediately channels his responses to the early aggression into useful channels. He does none of that this game. Adam is scum. Easy. Then - On November 01 2012 05:50 Blazinghand wrote: Frankly, I'm dissapointed in you, Gonzaw. Usually scum players don't reveal they're not reading the thread until much later in the game. AFter all, you were fully aware that I had previously made a post outside the alphabet rules: And that post, in fact, is the one in which I talked about my interaction with the posting restriction. So, did you not read my post, or did you read my post? Furthermore, given that there were like 2 posts in the hour between my last post and this one, I'd hardly say i'm stifling discussion. This is also a call-out of crossfire, who thinks his monstrosity of an unreadable post (here) is somehow better than 1 hour intervals between thoughtful, reasonable cases. For what it's worth, I simply think crossfire is bad rather than scum. I'd be interested to know how gonzaw seems to have responded to and yet overlooked my personal view of the alphabet rules. And for what it's worth, I don't utterly ignore them-- I just ignore them when I can write a clearer, better message without them. It's more important I do that than I post more than 1 time per hour. As a particular response to crossfire's colossal lack of reading comprehension (which goes well with his writing style: Ready the sentence after your bolds. Adam is a confrontational player as town, and is a questioning player as scum. He opens with votes and cases, NOT with analysis and questioning, when he is town. His opening this game, with analysis and questioning instead of jumping out the gate with a major case, is clearly playing to his scum meta. I'm amazed you read my case and didn't understand this. I have no interest in commenting on Keirathi at this time. No cases in this game are currently as good as my case on Adam, which gonzaw is oddly non-committal on. On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: Crossfire, I have no issues with you personally. I don't currently think you're scum. You just need to get your act together. You do realize that posting a massive wall of illegible garbage HURTS town, right? That the reason Mementoss is voting you, even though he thinks you have a good chance of flipping town, is that he literally can't understand what you're saying? As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you. The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order. More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum. gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully. I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives? By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible. etc etc. Rockband Starts with a big case on prplhz (an equally badly reasoned case as his one this game on DP, I might add): On September 18 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote: You only ask this question or similar when you roll scum. Scum games where you asked the question: GSL Open: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&user=126438 You open this game with DF Mini: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358346&user=126438 You wait quite a bit after the game start to open up with this: The scum game in which you don't ask this question, you aggressively push a Policy Lynch of MrZ because he's a terrible player: Movie Star: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346522&user=126438 And you open the attack like this: What these openers all have in common is that they generate discussion and let you make accusations without backing them up, doing analysis, or generating associative tells. Obviously it's not perfect, since you caught some heat for it in Movie star, but you deflected the heat rather expertly in my opinion. Now, admittedly, the link between this openings seems tenuous at first glance. But the difference between how you open as scum and how you open as town is like night and day-- I've hosted and co-hosted enough games with you in it to tell the difference (yes, that's an appeal to authority, but it's a legitimate appeal). Obviously, I want people to evaluate the evidence for themselves, so I'm gonna point out some Town games where you could have asked this question or similar, but quite notably did not, because you actually do the work yourself as Town. In fact, you never ask the question as town. Notably, you don't ask the question in the following games that had smurfs or people you hadn't played with before. Town games, in which you don't ask the question: Mad Men Mini: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=126438 In this game, you roll town, and here's your opening post: This is a real town post. Yeah, you get lynched D1 but you start off with not just some general platitudes about posting, you actually encourage the players you don't know to post. You don't ask inane questions. You're fearless, and aren't afraid to vote first (link) and ratchet up the pressure afterwards (link) which may not be the best strat, but is definitely townie. You are bullheaded with your reads and aggressive. You don't prod first then vote, you vote then prod. All this in a game in which admittedly there are people you don't know at all. It's what a townie would do. In iGrok's Mini http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=126438 you had to replace in, and this was your opening post: Obviously some of this was necessitated by replacing in for a lurking townie N1. But what's your followup? How does a town prplhz charge into a difficult game? Why, he votes first (link) and provides evidence and support later (link) (link) (link) This covers just about everything going back through July, with one notable exception: You rolled scum in Normal Mini II and proceeded to play a highly worthless scumgame http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=126438 consisting mostly of votes and one-liners. I hope we'd lynch you for anything like this, but this is the one game that doesn't fit into this meta-analysis of your play this game, so I thought I'd bring it up. Scum prplhz doesn't ALWAYS ask inane questions / take baseless positions-- once, he voted randomly and only posted one-liners. Still, I think the evidence is clear: prplhz as scum likes to ask dumb questions and take stances that don't reveal any scumhunting, and prplhz as town is aggressive with his vote and follows it up with questioning, rather than carefully prodding first. Town prplhz is fearless and not afraid to die to prove his point. He's not cautious. He's also not present this game. This is scum prplhz. Scum prplhz does vague prodding like he has in this game (link) and unhelpful questioning (his entire filter lol) Also, from a purely analytical perspective, this isn't what a townie does. As a townie, yes, you ask questions, but you ask questions that are reasonable and that force people to respond in ways that reveal their scumminess. When you ask someone a question, you do it to pressure them and to get information. You do it for the town. Town prplhz would NOT ask this question: Because Town ANYBODY would not ask that question. Numerous people answered it instantly (and also noted that prplhz already knew the answer himself) and it looked, at first, like it was a discussion-generator. It's not. Randomly regurgitating what games someone has replaced into isn't discussion. Prplhz isn't discussing things. He's just slapping shit in the thread and hoping we let him skate by. He's husslin us. No more husslin. ##vote: prplhz come at me bro Then: On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case On September 18 2012 07:03 Blazinghand wrote: Not worth looking into until after we lynch Prplhz and flip town. Associative tells between unflipped players on D1 is dumb. Hapa is scummy or not scummy on the merits of his own posting, not how he interacts with Prplhz-- until of course, Prplhz flips. Not a contradiction. Prplhz posts images like this as town all the time even when exhorting people not to be spammy. Hell, I do it all the time. He's not scummy cause of his image post. That's not scummy at all. He's scummy because he's playing like scum prplhz and he's not hunting scum, and he's trying to look like a contributor when in fact he is not. You're an idiot if you think that I accuse him of being disinterested as mafia. He did that in one game. In the other games, he prods and does literally what he's doing this game. Read my damn case before you decide you have an opinion. On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote: I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). On September 18 2012 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: The fact of the matter is, as town prplhz is aggressive, throws his vote around, and is fearless, and in like 4 scum games he is the opposite. Sorry, is 4 scum games not enough to convince you to vote him? That's fine! Show me some counter-evidence! If you think he's genuinely town, you have 2 options to move my vote off him. 1) show me my case is wrong (rather than just poking at it ineffectually). I've seen you do this as town so I know you can. 2) present a better case. If it's really a bad D1 case like you said, you should be able to do better. Do it. I'll vote who-ever is the scummiest in the thread and lynch scum. Right now, that's prplhz, and you have utterly failed to convince me otherwise. I'm sure you can read, but notice the key important difference. As town, BH pushes a case, then pushes everyone else to talk about the case and why it's right or wrong and defends his position. He even goes as far as to refuse to comment on other cases by other players until they'll comment on his particular brand of candidate. He's done none of that this game. He makes a case on DP, then carries a running dialog with DP, but never once engages other people about his DP case. Not only that, but he's immediately willing to drop his case on DP to hop on the WBG vote with marv, and then 3 posts later says "I'm buying what WBG is selling" (who was supposed to be his top scum read, even more so than DP) to hop back onto DP. DP summed it up pretty well: On December 01 2012 16:24 DarthPunk wrote: You are scummy as shit. Zentor is scum. Oh shit no he isn't. DP is scum. NO wait. Sheep marv, WBG scummier. Wait WBG isn't scummy after all, DP is scum. We should be lynching BH tomorrow. | ||
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On December 03 2012 06:53 Blazinghand wrote: One little objection I'd like to throw out just for you to chew on though is that if I were scum there's no real reason I'd swap from DYH to DP in the final seconds of D1 to save DYH and lynch DP unless DYH was also scum. Except you're probably aware that Risen pulled that stunt in LIII and rode that same argument all the way to a scum win... | ||
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On December 02 2012 08:11 Blazinghand wrote: Well at least we didn't lynch the vigi. Damn DYH you ass you needed to claim much earlier than that. Now at least one of you/marv will be able to get your night action done though :D I just want to talk about this quote a bit as well. In any normal-ish game that I'm ever in, if I'm town and two people blue claim on day 1, my automatic no-thinking-needed assumption would be that one of them would be roleblocked and one would be NK'd. The only way BH's post makes sense is if you assume there isn't a roleblocker (and/or mafia KP, but that's just silly), which I find hard to believe any townie would assume by default. Scum BH knows that there isn't a scum RB? | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:11 MrZentor wrote: Keirathi, you need to remember that DYH claimed a minute before the end of the day. BH could have easily let him die without receiving any flak, because DYH claimed so late. The only reason BH as scum would save DYH is if DYH was also scum. And it would still be risky to save DYH a few seconds before the end of the day. I don't know why everybody thinks BH is scum, because this combined with his weird case on me basically proves him to not be scum. Scum BH wouldn't have gotten MORE flak because he left his vote on the claimed vig. But he definitely would have gotten flak anyways, because his vote on DYH was nonsensical to begin with. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:15 Blazinghand wrote: "left his vote" Do you even know how much time there was between the claim and the deadline? rofl Of course I do. I do know how to read. I said you WOULDN'T have gotten more flak for leaving your vote there. It would have been natural to say "Oh he claimed vig and I didn't have time to move my vote." But your vote in itself was fucking BAD. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:18 MrZentor wrote: The only reason that Keirathi is making this ridiculous case is because he wasn't there. He doesn't realize how little time there was between DYH's claim and the end of the day. Its easy to not take into account the amount of time between posts when you were put in the game after the posts occurred. I was on the replacements list. I've been reading this game post-by-post as they happen. I didn't have to go back and read everything to catch up. I'm 100% aware of how little time there was. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: Okay Keirathi, riddle me this. IF BH is scum, why would he make that giant case against me and retract it immediately? Odd behavior like that is bound to be noticed, and BH could have easily made himself look productive while throwing dirt on me by not retracting that case. Because if you are town, you would have immediately come into the thread and said "Hey wait, I was scum that game not town!", making him look bad. Retracting the case was his only option from either alignment, so it's a null tell. | ||
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On December 03 2012 07:35 Blazinghand wrote: And somehow this argument applies, but your case on me largely rests on me NOT paying attention to holes in the D case? That you kept pushing the DP case even after he proved that you were wrong was just bad, not really a scum tell. But that's what got me interested into looking into you more. What convinced me you were scum wasn't that you were wrong, it was HOW you pushed your wrongness. | ||
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