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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-15 05:14:52
November 13 2012 03:34 GMT
#1
*Note: I originally posted this to my blog here on TeamLiquid because I felt it wasn't very in-depth and I didn't want to commit to updating it. However, I have gotten strong feedback that I should post it over here along with TAiLS' PvP Stargate build, so that is what I am doing now! Onto the guide:

There's been a lot of recent discussion about Parting’s immortal sentry all-in. After all-killing LG-IM in the GSTL, he gave an awesome interview that was full of confidence and personality – “In practice matches, I've performed around 70 Immortal timing attacks, and I have never seen anyone block one. There are no Zergs who can defend against my Immortal rush in Wings of Liberty." That quote led me to research this build in more depth, and after seeing an excellent post on the “All Things Protoss” subreddit, I decided to start learning the build and work on mastering more aggressive PvZ builds.

Build order skeleton:

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Disclaimer: I think this goes without saying, but this push is designed to attack a Zerg who opened with a standard gasless triple hatch build. Against a 2-base Zerg, you must react to the fact that they could be going for fast Lair tech (Mutalisks, Infestors, Hydra + Nydus) or going for a hatch tech bust (Roach rush, baneling bust, or roach-ling all-in). Discussing how to react to 2-base Zerg is beyond the scope of this guide, however, I will say that Koreans facing this scenario in the GSL almost always go for fast Stargate with sentries into immediately Chronoboosting a Phoenix to scout what is going on, and then focus on countering whatever tech choice the Zerg went for.

Safer and more recent variant:

Thanks to TL-user oOOoOphidian for sending me this:

"Here are the most recent timings on his build. They're mostly the same as they were in September, but the small changes seem to help, especially the opener. The timings of the opener allow you to be completely safe against 14 pool, which the old opener did not (especially with Forge in main).

16 Nexus, Forge
17 Pylon, Gateway, Cannon
19 2x Gas
24 Core
30 Pylon
32 Stalker (Chrono once), Warp Gate
34 Robo (5:36), Gas
Pylon, Sentry, +1 Attack, Pylon (at main ramp)
Immortal, 3x Gateway (at main ramp), Sentry
Immortal, 4th Gas, 2x Gate, Sentry
(wg finish 8:00)
Warp in 2 Sentries

Push at 8:50 with 7 Sentry, 3 Immortal, 1 Stalker to set up a single proxy pylon
Rally warp prism and make 7th Gate
Wall off natural with 2 more pylons, wall off rest of main with 1 more pylon
Warp in 2 Sentries and 2 Zealots as you move out."

Greediest variant for maximum strength:

Thanks to Reddit user pandazrule93 for taking the time to write this up from a Parting VoD:

9 Pylon (in main)
Chronoboost probes 3 times
17 Nexus
17 Forge in main
17 Pylon at nat
17 Resume probe production
18 Gate at nat
18/19 Cannon at nat
20 Double gas in main
23 Pylon at nat
24 Cybernetics core @ gateway 100% complete
26 Research +1 ground weapons
30 Research warpgate @ cybernetics core 100% complete
30 Stalker (optional chronoboost on it)
36 Robotics facility
36 1st gas at nat
36 Pylon - place this for partial wall-off at the top of your main ramp
@100 gas start sentry
44 Add 2 gates
46 Build immortal + Chronoboost it
54 2nd gas at nat
54 Add 1 gate
60 Add 3 gates

Notes:
Stop producing probes at full saturation (44)
Go up to 3 immortals
Push out at 8:50 with 3 immortals, 1 stalker, 1 zealot, 7 sentries
Warp prism and observer after 3rd immortal
Wall-off your natural (and main) as push leaves
Hit at 10:00 - go straight for the Zerg's natural, don't waste time attacking his 3rd base (this lets you forcefield his ramp to isolate reinforcements if you get into position as well)
All chronoboost on probes and then immortals. Your robotics facility should never stop being chronoboosted once the first immortal is started.
Parting positions his stalker to deny overlord scouts, so don't keep it out on the map for very long



Tips / Tricks / Thoughts:

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Here are some tips and tricks posted by Reddit user bearrosaurus (some slight paraphrasing on my part):

- Parting goes Nexus first, Forge in his main base, and no scouting until the 18 gateway to max his mining. All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine.*
- No +1 armor. It looks like all the chronoboosts are on probes, and then on the robo nonstop.
- His stalker is placed to deny the overlord scout at 7 min.
- Probes cut when the first Immortal finishes (44 probes).

*RemarK note: on ladder, I would be scared of not scouting for so long versus a Zerg player, so if you aren't comfortable with it, feel free to 9 scout or build a blind 13 Forge and scout with the probe that builds the Forge - the build will still work!

One thought / comment I have on this build is that its effectiveness is directly correlated to how fast you can push out with it – if you aren’t succeeding with it, make sure that you are pushing out with the same amount of units at the same time that Parting does.



VoDs:

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Axeltoss Video for MLG NOS Pro Performance Tip Series:

Rain vs ViBe - MLG NOS Pro Performance Tip #32

Day9 Daily on this build:

Day9 Daily on PartinG's Immortal Sentry All-in

Safer version VoDs:

Parting vs Losira GSL VoD - most recent VoD

Greedy version VoDs:

Parting vs Curious - WCS Asia Ro8

Parting vs Roro - WCS Asia - Two games here, starts at 1h39m

Parting vs Leenock GSL VoD (requires GOMTV subscription)



Replays + Analysis:

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Example of good macro execution - this replay is just me practicing the build with a friend in the game. It hits pretty much all the macro benchmarks PartinG does, and moves out with the right immortal count on time.

RemarK vs Swarm - this replay was after I spent some time practicing the build versus my teammates and shows much better execution on the macro side than the other replays I have here.

Disclaimer: the replays vs Dreamizer and Hawk are only my 2nd and 3rd time executing the build ever - they are NOT an example of a perfect or ever close to perfect level of execution of the build. The VoDs will be more helpful for learning the exact build, the replays are here simply to chronicle my own experiences with this build.

RemarK vs MYiDreamizer – he played very interestingly. His response to this build was cutting lair + evo chamber, and never droning too hard. If I had read the situation properly, I could have just backed off after killing drones at his 3rd base and been ahead in both tech and economy. However, this was only my 2nd time trying the build and I overcommitted to aggression and lost the game. Also, my push was hitting later than it should so I believe just executing Parting’s build properly would have translated to a fairly straightforward win as well.

RemarK vs QuanticHawk– I’m not sure if Hawk misread my build or just messed up his control by letting me get into a deadly position with my units (especially sentries), but this game could been a lot closer if he had more units and better positioning. He was going for a very ling-heavy defense, but could not directly engage my army when I first moved out and his attempt to get the lings past my wall was ineffective. This game I moved out faster than the first game versus Dreamizer, but I still need to improve things like preemptively placing my gateways to wall of at my main ramp and moving my army across the map in a tight ball formation.


Final Notes:

I’ll continue practicing the build over the coming days, and update this post with more replays + analysis as I can. Also, if anyone knows of more VoDs of this build, please post here or PM me so that I can add them to this post. I hope some of you join me in this conversation and post your results / replays with this build here for further discussion!

About me:

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My name is Matthew "RemarK" Kramer, a Grandmaster Protoss player on the NA server. I come from a competitive Halo background and have been playing Starcraft II since 2010, starting out in bronze. If you want to learn more about me or support me, you can check out my hub thread here on teamliquid and comment! I am also a streamer (click here for my stream) - you can follow me on Twitter (@remarkiwa) for updates about when I will be going live or to further interact with me.

Thank you so much for reading and I hope this guide was helpful!
I <3 StarCraft.
Chylith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
November 13 2012 03:36 GMT
#2
=D Really glad to see this and the other one in the strat section, thanks Remark!
Goddamnit this is the most retarded thing I will read all week and it's only fucking tuesday. ~Hawk
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
November 13 2012 04:17 GMT
#3
Nice in-depth guide! I haven't been playing any Toss lately, but I might give this a shot for a bit just to see what it's like doing this ever infamous build.
moskonia
Profile Joined January 2011
Israel1448 Posts
November 13 2012 05:26 GMT
#4
Thanks for this man! I was doing sub-optimal Immortal all-in for WAY too long, need to practice this now .
WolfBro
Profile Joined December 2011
United States59 Posts
November 13 2012 06:12 GMT
#5
I've been failing at this type of build every time I attempt it. Maybe this guide will change that, thanks! Got anything cooking for PvT?
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 13 2012 06:26 GMT
#6
One thought / comment I have on this build is that its effectiveness is directly correlated to how fast you can push out with it – if you aren’t succeeding with it, make sure that you are pushing out with the same amount of units at the same time that Parting does.

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Is that the key to execute it in a soulful way? :D
SCRedditor
Profile Joined October 2012
United States57 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 06:28:30
November 13 2012 06:28 GMT
#7
Can you please just make a perfect execution against the AI replay? I can't seem to find any replay of someone with 3 immortal, 7 sentry, 1 stalker move out at 8:50.
Thanks to those that support me. For those that don't like me, please PM me. I always wish to kiss ass.
RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
November 13 2012 09:17 GMT
#8
On November 13 2012 15:28 SCRedditor wrote:
Can you please just make a perfect execution against the AI replay? I can't seem to find any replay of someone with 3 immortal, 7 sentry, 1 stalker move out at 8:50.


http://drop.sc/274980

Good enough?
I <3 StarCraft.
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
November 13 2012 09:24 GMT
#9
Thanks for the builds
Anthonie
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands220 Posts
November 13 2012 17:14 GMT
#10
Thanks for writing the build down as a guide~ Not sure how Parting was expecting to hide his build from the eyes of the VOD watchers..
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 13 2012 18:37 GMT
#11
shit, a guide on it, i'm doomed T_T

well written + informative guide though!
Getting back into sc2 O_o
Mahv
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark4 Posts
November 13 2012 19:39 GMT
#12
Oh god.. Why?
I am not young enough to know everything.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 13 2012 19:45 GMT
#13
On November 14 2012 04:39 nagthirteen wrote:
Oh god.. Why?


In the words of Grubby himself..."well, Protoss struggles with infestor/broodlord a bit. YOU ASKED FOR IT ZERGS! YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES"

Anyway thanks for posting your guides are awesome
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 13 2012 20:10 GMT
#14
On November 14 2012 04:45 Teoita wrote:
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On November 14 2012 04:39 nagthirteen wrote:
Oh god.. Why?


In the words of Grubby himself..."well, Protoss struggles with infestor/broodlord a bit. YOU ASKED FOR IT ZERGS! YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES"

Anyway thanks for posting your guides are awesome

Just watch as every Zerg goes blind 2 base infestor into 2 base broodlord, to avoid dying to this :D
Getting back into sc2 O_o
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
November 13 2012 20:40 GMT
#15
On November 14 2012 05:10 Mavvie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 04:45 Teoita wrote:
On November 14 2012 04:39 nagthirteen wrote:
Oh god.. Why?


In the words of Grubby himself..."well, Protoss struggles with infestor/broodlord a bit. YOU ASKED FOR IT ZERGS! YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES"

Anyway thanks for posting your guides are awesome

Just watch as every Zerg goes blind 2 base infestor into 2 base broodlord, to avoid dying to this :D

I actually remember Bly going 2base Broodlords some time ago :D NEW META
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
Dark Seraph
Profile Joined July 2011
United States30 Posts
November 13 2012 20:48 GMT
#16
What's the best indicator(s) that this build is coming and what is the appropriate response as zerg? I play random please don't hate me
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2602 Posts
November 13 2012 20:53 GMT
#17
Best indicator:

suicide overlords into protoss base to see for yourself
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
LOLingBuddha
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands697 Posts
November 13 2012 20:54 GMT
#18
hahah title of OP made me smile
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
November 13 2012 21:31 GMT
#19
On November 14 2012 02:14 Anthonie wrote:
Thanks for writing the build down as a guide~ Not sure how Parting was expecting to hide his build from the eyes of the VOD watchers..


While PartinG gets a bit ahead in the early game because he plays greedier (this is reflected in the guide), his true strength is exceptional micro and the decision to be more sentry/zealot heavy when the situation calls for it.

But obviously the "invencible" part and the "secret" mentioned in his inverteview are just to create hype. don't buy too much into it. : )
SEKO SEKO SEKO
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#20
On November 14 2012 05:48 Dark Seraph wrote:
What's the best indicator(s) that this build is coming and what is the appropriate response as zerg? I play random please don't hate me

Fast natural gasses, high sentry count, fast robo, no observers or warp prisms.

Best response? Probably to type GG and leave. Here's a guide on it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360647

There's a bunch of ways to defend it, generally either involving out-macroing it and getting a flank, or baseracing in some way.
Getting back into sc2 O_o
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