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BlackMamba24
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Personally, as scum, I love policy lynches that aren't "Lynch All Liars". If the town lynches based on policy and not behaviors and inconsistencies then mafia can hide behind the policy lynch and kill townies day in and day out. There's no serious reason for a townie to abstain from voting besides the fear of voting for the wrong person or a general lack of interest in the game, something that is less common with scum. Newer scum players also have a team to advise them on how to act whereas a newer or less confident townie can only rely on his or her own judgment. Are scum given safe roleclaims or specific town-aligned role names? | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Lying is more directly meaningful. If you vote just for lurkers, the mafia can congregate and influence the vote to lynch a town-aligned lurker so I don't think it helps much. You have to consider content first. Anyway, it's too early for me to say if I have any reads at all. I've yet to read anything that has jumped out at me. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
In any case, lies deserve more analysis and suspicion than someone not posting for a couple hours. That's all. When I say I could get behind LAL as a policy lynch, I think people should vote and pressure people caught lying to force them to defend themselves and post often. That's the worst case scenario for scum anyway. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On August 31 2012 14:52 Shady Sands wrote: But if scum wagon a townie lurker, doesn't that also expose them all conveniently onto one wagon once the lurker flips green? Are you suggesting that scum here might decide to put all their votes on one lynch? No but let's say there are 3 lurkers in the game. 1 is scum and 2 are town. Scum have consolidated voting power and they only need to win by 1 vote to get a townie lynched. All they have to do is have one person vocally push one of the town lurkers. When that person flips green, that person might come under mild suspicion but it'll likely get buried before the day is through. Chances are town will vote for that lurker too so it's not really that helpful to analyze the votes. When you lynch a lurker you don't learn anything because there wasn't any behavior or real analysis behind it. You just move onto the next lurker and hope they're scum this time. That doesn't mean scum have to put all their votes on the same dude or even push the same guy. It's never that black and white. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On August 31 2012 15:39 Shady Sands wrote: If you don't post your reads soon I will be forced to vote you. This has always been my policy. Go for it. I prefer not to waste my time making a forced case because someone asked me for my "reads". | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Town wouldn't breadcrumb if they know mafia has a safeclaim and they wouldn't breadcrumb without knowing that. He didn't ask. Mafia, however, immediately like to abuse any defense they have. There is inherent guilt. If supplied with a safeclaim it's a very reasonable thing to do. I missed the Zephirrds post about the safeclaims because I'm very unattentive. When I first entered the thread, I only scanned and read the longer posts and made my comments about policy lynches. I forgot the game was starting tonight and saw my role PM right before I was about to watch a movie. Why would a townie, after making a specific reference to his role name then immediately post that he will no longer be using real role names? Why would he even need to tell us that? Is he afraid someone is going to point it out as an inconsistency? the first two posts in the thread are him and they're both passively defensive. Scum like to announce things that are meaningless for some reason. In his post history, he only goes on and on about lurkers and other bullshit like that. It's so tired and worthless. "Lurking is anti-town." What a revelation. Mafia are no more likely to lurk than town are and if town goes on a "let's kill the lurkers" bend how easy is it for the scum team to tell everyone on the team to just post a lot? It's stupid. ##vote Hapahauli Also, just an aside regarding "reads". I consider them totally worthless. I will post and try to get someone lynched if I think they are mafia. I will not post a list of "suspects" or "reads" or make bullet points or anything like that. It has no value. Waste of a post. I almost made VE quit a game because I talked down on him so much for posting reads lists and other things like that so don't expect that out of me regardless of my alignment. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On August 31 2012 17:40 Palmar wrote: The world can't handle my greatness. I have no idea what's going on. Apparently I'm a detective but there's nothing that says I can investigate anyone. I haven't read the op or the game, I'll get back to you when I have. it's just the flaavor word for vt btw strongandbig if you're fake claiming that's probably the smartest mafia fake claim i've ever seen. if you actually flip kira or something by the end of this game, i applaud you for a bold move like that | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Imagine if you had a town that actually just lynched the person with the least posts every day. Mafia would auto-win. It's stupid. This charge against me is bald-faced OMGUS. Of course it's not a rock solid case. It's Day 1. I wouldn't even bet 10 bucks on it. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Also, the miller claim. It basically protects scum from the DT. If you get DT checked you'd return scum in stead of self-aware miller so nobody can confirm it until you're dead and it gives you a point of argument if you do get DT checked. I need to go over his first post a bit closer but By the way can we please not lynch or FoS people for being absent from the thread until certain times? I normally wake up between 2-4 PM PST and am quite busy most of the day so keep that in mind. On September 01 2012 04:59 marvellosity wrote: Alright. You and ghost were both doing the same thing effectively so the explanation is reasonable. I don't wanna lynch Mementoss. He's cute. The thing with Blackmamba - the case was bad, ok. But if it was to cause discussion, then fine. Except he hasn't been around to actually deal with the discussion, and I find that scummy. I'd fucking love to policy lynch Zentor but annoyingly I can't quite bring myself to  ##Vote: Blackmamba24 Because only scum sleep in late or get sinus infections. I don't think there is a clear disconnect in the way Marvellosity sees MrZentor. If, in his mind, he thinks lynching Zentor is a good idea he's going to be biased and find and see things that support that preconceived notion. I'm guilty of building connections based on bad cases or even people I wasn't really that suspicious of because I want to be right. It's something that happens. I think SNB's strange disconnect is a lot more suspicious. I need to carefully read his first post some more because his claim did throw me off which is why if he is indeed scum I congratulate him for doing a move like that. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:15 Hapahauli wrote: It goes beyond "not a rock-solid case." It's a terrible case. And everyone around here is telling me that you aren't a terrible player. You're right - now I'mma gonna lynch you. Of course you think that, I voted for you. You're using a lot of strong language but not providing any reason why we should always policy lynch lurkers. There is value in pressuring lurkers at certain stages in the game because scum need to be forced to talk but it's not that simple. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
Ok, you're not worth talking to. Anyway can anyone familiar with strongandbigs meta tell me if it is normal for him, as town, to make huge fucking posts immediately and add a ton of bravado like that into anything he says cause if not I'm saying we should lynch him. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: At the time when I brought up rng'ing the lurker lynch, the only cases we had in the thread were on you and on hapa. Do you disagree that if there are no reasonable cases, a policy or lurker lynch makes sense? I really don't see this "contradiction". Even if something is a bad choice, sometimes there are no better choices, and at that point in the day it looked like this lynch might be one of those times. There's always a case. There's always a weird feeling about something someone said that seemed "off" or even a connection between two players. It's just weird that you didn't qualify that statement or mention your distaste for policy lynches until later, it makes it seem to me, like you're trying to appear as "with the town" as you can. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:32 Mementoss wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=116463 day 1 pokemafia SnB There's nothing in the OP, what alignment was he in this game? | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:37 Mementoss wrote: Only thing I noticed is in pokemafia he seemed to try and be a town leader, and lead cases. In this game he seems to be more going with the flow. imo In this game he got to the point and didn't write 10000 word posts about nothing except how town he is because town has no reason to do that. the only reason I'm not voting SNB right now is because fakeclaims always throw me for a loop and I could second-guess myself for a very long time. I'll probably make up my mind within the next few hours, I need to meditate or at least have some breakfast. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 07:51 Hapahauli wrote: Pardon my skepticism, but is this really a scumtell? Even if he historically makes smaller posts as town, I can't imagine why making larger posts would make him mafia, even on a meta-basis. One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that. The fakeclaim is throwing me off. There's also that contradiction that you yourself pointed out. I can understand why a scum player would defend me as well, they might be thinking there's no reason to go after me early on and get OMGUS'd or get my attention when they can kill me at night but I'm not really that good. My town meta is to pin the entire mafia team Day 2 and then vote for everyone else instead. | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
##Vote Mementoss Something inside me screams "no god no" when there is an "easy" lynch Day 1 but there's no getting around how wishy washy Mementoss is with his first accusation, easiest player to accuse in the game because he's unlikely to even be motivated enough to defend himself adequately, and throws in a lot of useless reads (god i hate when people post "reads") which just clutters up a post which should be focused. @Shady you should probably wait more than 20 minutes before you get mad about people "ignoring" your case btw. If your problem is Ghost not making real cases and being wishy washy (something that checks out with his meta, as he even said as town in one game that he generally refuses to make cases) then why the rogue vote on him instead of mmtoss? | ||
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BlackMamba24
United States277 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:05 strongandbig wrote: Or maybe it's not a fake claim and I'm actually a miller? And I want to deal with that and get it out of the way in a game full of detectives? Occam's razor, man. One terrible case is excusable, but two is too much to be a coincidence. I mean seriously, what you're saying is that I tried too hard to help town out when I told everyone that I'm a miller, and therefore I must be scum? In what world does that make sense? I haven't played mafia in a long time but you can go back through every game I played and this has always been my main argument on Day 1. I would have nailed GMarshal with it that one time but I second-guessed myself and got in an argument with kavdragon and killed him instead. I've seen it happen in every game I've hosted or been scum in. Usually when I'm scum, I'm the one out there establishing myself as townie as possible. You'll notice I didn't vote for you though so maybe you should relax | ||
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