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Temps? Overclock will help! Repaste all the things! Thats how it's supposed to look I mean, I saw one guy who had a dying gpu and people told him to stress test it and tell them the temps. Of course the gpu is going to die, there's ways he might be able to salvage it but not if he cooks it to get numbers. I don't post much there, but I do sometimes. I do read it a lot though and the forum as a whole is turning into a total joke. | ||
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Canada620 Posts
Threads responses to something as simple as a lack of a game restart, or a bad setting in the ati CCC. "Looks normal" x2, variables.txt rename, a suggestion to move variables.exe??? to another folder. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345197 Reinstall Windows x2 with nothing to back it up at all. (One guy mentions it helped him a lot.) Suggestion to overclock a Q6600 which is a nightmare to juice. One guy gives solid basic advice, the rest of it is pretty questionable. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344810 Suggestiong he overclock his cpu, crank his preset to max settings and run at 1080p with a 4kbitrate. Without twitch partnership running a stream that high will result in a ton of people not being able to watch it who don't have the connection/system to handle that hardcore of a video encode. (Think the problems people have had with Destinys recent 60fps upgrade, it puts too much stress on their own computers). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345179 Long post about getting a 7200rpm drive, without actually addressing much/if anything about the drive in question (until Myrmidon comes in). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343330 There's almost 0 sound advice in that thread. It's brutal, things like "46 degrees is hot" etc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343089#2 Second thing in is a suggested repaste on a laptop gpu, by going to youtube to learn how to do it with 0 warning about how dangerous and difficult that can be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341950#4 More repasting advice, second post is a psu failure suggestion out of nowhere, a computer obviously on the brink being stress tested without any advice on how to safely clean/maintain it first. That easily could have blown whatever part was dying off. I hate calling people out, but this is a trusted website and peoples hardware is getting put at some serious risk with the advice out there. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Add in the sheer number of shitty new threads, people who don't come back to their threads, people who just keep saying "nothing is working" instead of documenting which suggestions off the past 5 pages they've tried... It's a pain in the ass to even go in there these days, especially when half of the things that should get someone slapped in there aren't going to get modded if they're reported. There's almost no options for dealing with idiocy there. Hell, OP missed some of the worst ones I've seen recently. A particular gem: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342333#15 | ||
monk
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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Chargelot
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I have the same general problems. A lot of threads about wanting to upgrade a CPU/Overclock CPUs basically turn into a "lol I'm 4.4ghz@1.23 volts!" (which is basically just an OC circlejerk). I have no problems with showing off cool OCs, but it never ever helps the OP. A lot of the CPU heat problems can correctly be explained with the whole "repaste" thing, but I think if you're going to give advice, give complete advice. Like telling them to make sure they get all the dust out of their computer, and to even dust the fans, to ensure that fans are blowing in the right direction, to disassemble and clean their cooler (if appropriate, just did this with my 212+, there was a shit ton of dust between the fins), etc. But I think in general, people are a lot more willing to listen to guys like Jinglehell who provide real useful information, and ask real relevant questions. It really comes down to whether or not they see it before they stress test a damaged GPU. | ||
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
It's probably on everyone's mind, but I haven't seen it mentioned yet: it would be great if the tech support forum operated similarly to the strategy forum. Highlight the posts of the people who have shown they give good advice and regularly ban people from the tech support forum for bad posts. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:28 Moloch wrote: I have a question related to all this: is it encouraged to report bad tech advice? As mentioned before, a lot of mods don't know if the advice is sound or not, and probably wouldn't want to take action based on a not-easily-verified claim about the advice given in the post. If you link me evidence in your report, I will happily moderate bad advice. My issue is when someone says "thermal paste from X is good!" and it gets reported as "idiot" and I have no idea what the hell thermal paste is, what X is, or why he is being reported. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:28 Moloch wrote: I have a question related to all this: is it encouraged to report bad tech advice? As mentioned before, a lot of mods don't know if the advice is sound or not, and probably wouldn't want to take action based on a not-easily-verified claim about the advice given in the post. It's probably on everyone's mind, but I haven't seen it mentioned yet: it would be great if the tech support forum operated similarly to the strategy forum. Highlight the posts of the people who have shown they give good advice and regularly ban people from the tech support forum for bad posts. Ninja'd by GM, and apparently if we do it right, we can report it. Good to know. I've said it before and I'll say it again on highlighting, it's not really a good idea for tech. In particular for troubleshooting, it could cause issues, since a lot of hardware troubleshooting is a process of trial and error, and it's very plausible that someone can get fixated on something they see too often, or be tired and overlook the obvious. It happens all the time, and the guy getting ignored because he isn't highlighted may just be the one who spots the issue. And that poll REALLY doesn't know what it's asking for. That would be like if there was a religion sub board, making a poll for KwarK to be the dedicated banling for it. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On June 17 2012 08:41 JingleHell wrote: Ninja'd by GM, and apparently if we do it right, we can report it. Good to know. I've said it before and I'll say it again on highlighting, it's not really a good idea for tech. In particular for troubleshooting, it could cause issues, since a lot of hardware troubleshooting is a process of trial and error, and it's very plausible that someone can get fixated on something they see too often, or be tired and overlook the obvious. It happens all the time, and the guy getting ignored because he isn't highlighted may just be the one who spots the issue. And that poll REALLY doesn't know what it's asking for. That would be like if there was a religion sub board, making a poll for KwarK to be the dedicated banling for it. For he is worthiest to be a commander, to be a judge, or to have any other charge, that is best fitted with the qualities required to the well discharging of it; and worthiest of riches, that has the qualities most requisite for the well using of them: any of which qualities being absent, one may nevertheless be a worthy man, and valuable for something else. Sure, the quote is from the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, a political work encouraging an absolute dictator who will rule with an iron fist and bring peace by forcing opinion and beliefs on his people at the expense of their wealth, their lives, and their dignity, but it fits. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 17 2012 12:27 JingleHell wrote: You make it sound like the Tech Support board needs a secret police squad. not the hero we deserve but the hero we have | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 18 2012 02:12 EtherealDeath wrote: not the hero we deserve but the hero we have Terrible reference, since the hero Tech deserves is either the Punisher or the Scourge. Batman has too many rules. Besides, it's more like this. + Show Spoiler + Good men don't need rules. | ||
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
On June 18 2012 02:15 JingleHell wrote: Terrible reference, since the hero Tech deserves is either the Punisher or the Scourge. Batman has too many rules. Besides, it's more like this. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi0hlYOtdSo Good men don't need rules. You're a chipper, stylish, and always dapper guy. I have become quite fond of you. I am not asking you out on a date (yet) or anything, just giving my approval and such! I think that the tech support could use some sort of upvote feature to downvote bad advice without necessarily have to call them uninformed or wrong. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:02 Anacletus wrote: You're a chipper, stylish, and always dapper guy. I have become quite fond of you. I am not asking you out on a date (yet) or anything, just giving my approval and such! I think that the tech support could use some sort of upvote feature to downvote bad advice without necessarily have to call them uninformed or wrong. Oh, brilliant, and then all the people who think that their "opinion" (better known as willful ignorance) can make AMD CPUs not a pile of shit can work together to make it even more insufferable. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:12 JingleHell wrote: Oh, brilliant, and then all the people who think that their "opinion" (better known as willful ignorance) can make AMD CPUs not a pile of shit can work together to make it even more insufferable. I laughed so hard. Maybe AMD will pull through someday. Or maybe Intel will totally bomb one release and AMD will look good by comparison. As for the secret police, I have my black bags and wire ties ready, you prepare the interrogation room. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:09 Chargelot wrote: I laughed so hard. Maybe AMD will pull through someday. Or maybe Intel will totally bomb one release and AMD will look good by comparison. As for the secret police, I have my black bags and wire ties ready, you prepare the interrogation room. Interrogation room? You don't have the wherewithal to serve under my command if you think we have a use for one of those. Interrogations imply far too great of a measure of due process. | ||
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monk
United States8476 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:27 NrGmonk wrote: Well, this derailed quickly. If you guys want this problem to be fixed, then perhaps suggest more reasonable solutions? A tech support moderator. Someone who knows something. Is that so unreasonable? | ||
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