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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 15 2012 21:53 GMT
#67
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 18:18 GMT
#115
On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment


[image loading]

Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

    1. Claim your role name
    2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
    3. Claim your win condition


All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 18:21 GMT
#117
Is there a list anywhere of the filters? The two lists I found were just names.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 18:52 GMT
#133
On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment


[image loading]

Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

    1. Claim your role name
    2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
    3. Claim your win condition


All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu?


House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).

If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 18:58 GMT
#136
On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment


[image loading]

Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

    1. Claim your role name
    2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
    3. Claim your win condition


All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu?


House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).

If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?



In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).


Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party.

Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives?
If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 19:01 GMT
#139
Also, do the board members of the house have any powers?
These questions are essential when debating whether to apply for membership. I would not wish to join an untoward organization.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 19:17 GMT
#149
On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:
On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment


[image loading]

Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps.

    1. Claim your role name
    2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
    3. Claim your win condition


All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time.

Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately.

All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu?


House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).

If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?



In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).


Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party.

Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives?
If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information.

If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.


Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia?

Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.

I think he means a player of mafia as a game, not as of the scum team.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 19:19 GMT
#151
I have decided not to apply to House Chezinu. I do not want to be roped into something that there is so little information about, especially since I have no guarantee that members, board or otherwise, are not mafia.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 16 2012 20:28 GMT
#204
On June 17 2012 05:24 KharadBanar wrote:
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On June 17 2012 05:20 talismania wrote:
On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:
[...]

By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.)

[...]



What?

So now that you've magically allied - who has been eliminated from "the equation"?

If you're eliminating both town and scum by allying, how does that help your stated win condition? Why would you want to eliminate "both town and scum" from the players you are "concentrating on studying" in order to discern their alignment?

Think of the alliance as a temporary cooperative effort to eliminate scum players not participating in The HOUSE.

I am happy because we eliminate scum players, The HOUSE is happy because we eliminate non-HOUSE members.

When I grow suspicious there are no more non-HOUSE scum players in the game, I can cancel my cooperation with The HOUSE, and both parties are satisfied because of the mutual cooperation as long as the alliance lasted.

As a mere ally of THE HOUSE do you even get to know who the house members are? I was under the impression that THE HOUSE just wouldn't try to kill you.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 02:07 GMT
#265
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
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On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going.
I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game.
Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 05:37 GMT
#278
On June 17 2012 14:13 EchelonTee wrote:
Well I am leaning they are not Anti-Town. Which means Town people need not be concerned with them. People discrediting them look bad to me atm.

It's bad to doubt a group that's withholding information about its purpose, members, and capabilities?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 06:11 GMT
#282
On June 17 2012 15:01 EchelonTee wrote:
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On June 17 2012 14:37 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 14:13 EchelonTee wrote:
Well I am leaning they are not Anti-Town. Which means Town people need not be concerned with them. People discrediting them look bad to me atm.

It's bad to doubt a group that's withholding information about its purpose, members, and capabilities?

Yeah. Remember in TL LV when people wanted to discredit Toad?

If I remember correctly Toad clarified everything about his mason pretty quickly though and survived for quite a while. I'm still apprehensive about chezinu until there's more info.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 20:59 GMT
#387
On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

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On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.


      The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.



I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 21:31 GMT
#402
On June 18 2012 06:13 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.


      The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.



I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.


Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion.


Well I wanted to get info to make reads but obviously that didn't work out. Being bereft of such detailed info, I felt that KB and 201 being curious about the house and wanting to be privy to any resources it had without being roped into anything that could be bad for town wasn't particularly scummy as I felt scum would probably distance themselves from such a shady organization.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#699
Sorry for not posting for a while, I was rather busy. I probably won't be able to post at similar times tomorrow as well though the rest of the week should be fine.

FourFace

FourFace starts the game out with quite a number of posts that are quite useless. The only one that held any thoughts at all was
On June 17 2012 04:00 FourFace wrote:
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On June 17 2012 03:47 talismania wrote:
Sorry for trying to break the setup! PS I will continue making that exact same post in every game I play until TL outright bans it :-) (I held off in bangbang because I was scum there).

Now to play normally:

KharadBanar

On June 17 2012 03:08 KharadBanar wrote:
This whole House Chezinu thing sounds really fishy to me. It's advertised as "all upside, no downside" but we have to claim our role and abilities to get in there, and pledge loyalty to players we don't know the alignment of.

In addition, Hiro says nothing about the organisational structure of the House, or if we get any rights/influence if we join, which normally means we don't get jack.

I am not at all convinced.



On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote:
I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.

If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future.



So basically what happened here was that you reacted to what HiroPro posted in the thread by yourself, then went to your QT and talked it over with someone else and came back with an alliance offer, no?


Nah, but what happened here with you was that you knew this encrypted shiznit was for the birds and even anticipated the hosts response and snuck in a "I was mafia in bang bang so that's why i didn't post this shiznit there .. I'm town now so I post it this time" trying to hammer our subconscious into believing you are town after which you make up a story about KharadBanar to create a false buffer of opposition .. in contrast to your "obvious townieness" we should believe he's obviously scummy. A bold and aggressive tactic .. I think you're all crazy.


He attack's Talismania's credibility on a post line that just mentions a sensible move on Talismania's part. He insinuates that Talismania is trying to subconsciously make people think he's town yet doesn't question people who have outright said that they are town or, except in what I think was a joke, people who said their win condition is to eliminate all anti town forces. He then proceeds never to broach the subject of Talismania's scumminess ever again.

His first post of any major significance is the case on ET. I agree with ET here though in that the case is ill thought out. The point about moral is irrelevant to anything I feel and accusations of focusing on house Chezinu are both bad, as that was the major topic of discussion at the start of the game, and hypocritical, as FourFace was the one concerned with how Hiro was going to extend the facade in a hypothetical situation.

Overall I see a lot of fluff in Four's filter and the posts of worth are illogical. Also, he ignores the post in which ET explains why his case is bad and says

On June 19 2012 05:53 FourFace wrote:
ETs defence was rather late wouldn't you guys agree? It's like he wanted to and new it would be wise to try to counter it right away but left it pending until there was a second opinion on it.

Look people, I know I come off as paranoid and trollish but that's because I'm fishing for an angle that nobody else would consider.. I'm just warming up and focusing attention on the game. Am I 100% sure ET is scum fuck no, but even his reaction to my case was obnoxiously scummy. I doubt he didn't understand what I said about the guaranteed to be clean mason circle once the application into House Chezinu is done by the hosts, how can you claim you're town when when the application gets verified by the hosts, cause that's what Hiro said wasn't it.

I for one would've loved to have something like it in this game where you make an early game choice to trust this questionable offer and are rewarded with a clean mason circle.

ET should explain to me again what's so illogical about what I've said or if he just fails to understand my assessment of the House Chezinu situation and its implications should it have been legit, because what he said I said .. I frankly didn't say. Read again.

It gives me the impression that he went berserk mode in his defense .. attacking Hiro for agreeing in some points to my case. What, should we lynch Hiro now because he thought my case was good and you the accused gave a negative evaluation (what a surprise)

He's insulting me, insulting Hiro for giving his enforcing opinion on the case and now he's all over the thread and still hasn't made any noteworthy contribution; and again he is insulting which I, believe it or not, didn't intent to be when I said his moves were gay.. in the gamer sense of the word. I obviously wasn't saying anything about his or anyone else's orientation.
PS: marvellosity gtfo

and fails to mention ET's response at all.

He even specifically states that he was looking to make a case on someone who no one would suspect it mafia. Why make a case on someone who isn't coming across as scum?

Fourface has been posting fluff and the accusations he does make seem forced.

##Vote: FourFace
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#719
On June 19 2012 07:04 deconduo wrote:
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On June 19 2012 07:01 talismania wrote:
I'm town - I've already claimed that. I don't know what your alignment is and I certainly don't lean town on you at the moment.

Do you want to get shot right now? What are you trying to do?


I'm a lie detector. I can tell if a post contains any falsehoods. Post exactly what I said to post now please. Assuming you are telling the truth I can verify you as town and dayvig.

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I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town

Can you only do one post a night? Otherwise it seems that role is much too powerful for a fair game.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 18 2012 22:13 GMT
#723
On June 19 2012 07:10 HiroPro wrote:
Incidentally, I changed my mind. We should lynch Maju. His case is terribad.

Now you're doing the same thing fourface did. Saying a case is terrible but not why a case is terrible.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#825
On June 19 2012 08:11 talismania wrote:
MajuGarzett come back!

I still need your opinion on KB and nisani, as well as anyone besides FourFace that you think is scum.

KB is scummy. I know I said earlier that I didn't suspect him but that was in reference solely to the act of making an alliance with the house. The stuff he's done after that is bad.

Nisani is okay but I disliked how little info there was in his vote for xsksc. He didn't really point out anything, just make generalizations and tell people to go look at the filter themselves.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 19 2012 00:09 GMT
#844
On June 19 2012 09:03 strongandbig wrote:
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On June 19 2012 08:51 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 08:47 talismania wrote:
Strongandbig which would like me to shoot: KB or MajuGarzett?


I ask questions and they all run away :-(


I went to get dinner.

I would prefer that you shoot Maju, but it's a very weak preference. Both of them have been focusing mostly on things other than scumhunting, and each made one "case" or "pressure" (maju on ET, KB on BioSC). Really the main thing differentiating them right now is that Maju was thinking about game balance from a scum point of view, which I generally see as a weak scum tell.

My phone is out of batteries, so it'll be a while until I can post again - I'm leaving the lab and heading home now. Just in case you wanted to ask any more questions.

My case was on fourface. Fourface's case was on ET.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 19 2012 00:16 GMT
#855
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