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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 01 2012 21:59 GMT
#12
/in

I understand if you won't let me to play after the last game, but if you do let me play, be assured that I won't play anything like I did last time.

Also, I won't be modkilled.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#67
Because VE is a good mafia player, people would investigate him regardless of his actions, so it makes sense for him to claim miller before that happens, if only to save a DT check.

On the other hand, it's possible that he's mafia, that he's intelligent enough to know that somebody will investigate him, and that there is no framer or that he doesn't want the framer to be used to protect him.

It's impossible to tell for now, but I think furerkip is being a bit rash in his decision. It's probably because he doesn't know of VE, as I would agree that the ordinary miller should probably stay quiet, act like town, and hope they aren't investigated.

For now I'm thinking that he is actually the miller, because it would be a huge risk for a mafia and it would put them in the spotlight, but I agree that we should keep a close eye on him.
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 04 2012 23:02 GMT
#74
Furerkip, what you're missing is that VE isn't a retarded town. He's a veteran mafia player that knows, regardless of whether he's mafia or miller, that he's going to be investigated, so it makes sense for him to claim miller.

The question is whether he's mafia or a miller.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#126
Ghost is looking really scummy to me.

On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote:
I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him.

Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch.

I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip.


First, he says that he believes VE to be miller, but he then says that he's probably wrong.

This coupled with the fact that he thinks Furerkip is scum makes me suspicious.

On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked.

As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit.


I can't wait for him to try to make some of Furer's posts look scummy.

##Vote: ghost_403
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#135
I voted for ghost, because he's the most suspicious person. Whether or not other people also think he's scummy is irrelevant.

Because Navillus accuses me of doing that, he picks somebody whom nobody has accused, regardless of how suspicious Hyaach actually is. (Hyaach seems to be a lot like furerkip, a bit anti town but not scummy.)

In summary, he votes for somebody who isn't really suspicious, just so he himself doesn't look suspicious.

Guilty much?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 05 2012 22:08 GMT
#139
I don't think I'll ever have an accurate read on you, Blazinghand, but I would be interested in you explaining why you haven't bothered to accuse anybody yet.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 05 2012 23:23 GMT
#153
VE, what do you think of Navillus?

See, that's funny, because I think your case against G_403 is scummy. I also think that this sentence you JUST SAID, this one right here, is the same one you call G_403 scummy for using:


Mine is clearly different. He's stating something, then saying that he's unsure of it, which is an attempt to make it look like he's contributing something while allowing himself to easily change his view in the future. Mine is just saying that I have no idea.


What G_403 says here is null. Although there are scum who do this to delay, there are town players who say this before going to bed or whatever. MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not!


And BH, I was just saying that there was no way ghost was going to be able to make Furer look scummy, and the fact that Ghost finds him suspicious when none of Furer's posts are scummy makes me suspicious of Ghost.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#163
On June 06 2012 09:09 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like to hear what MrZ and Navillus have to say about each other.

Currently their most recent positions are:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
Because Navillus accuses me of doing that, he picks somebody whom nobody has accused, regardless of how suspicious Hyaach actually is. (Hyaach seems to be a lot like furerkip, a bit anti town but not scummy.)

In summary, he votes for somebody who isn't really suspicious, just so he himself doesn't look suspicious.

Guilty much?

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild G_403 case.

And
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On June 06 2012 05:51 Navillus wrote:
Now looking at the votes on him I get suspicious, VE's vote which is now moved was very fast and didn't go on much, he basically read a couple of posts where artanis points this stuff out and says his meta is different and jumps on. This is suspicious but even more FOS: Mr.Zentor he has a couple posts about VE that don't indicate much then his first post where he says something solid is him jumping on ghost for 1. admitting that he is bad at reading VE which makes no sense and 2. for not following up on furer which I've mentioned. It just looks like Zentor isn't trying to talk about reads or cases, he just wanted to jump in and vote someone people were already suspicious of

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild Hyaach case.

This looks to me like 2 players who seem interested in making cases at each other without voting each other. Which is scummy. Distancing is a typical scum tactic.




Also:
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On June 06 2012 06:14 MrZentor wrote:
I voted for ghost, because he's the most suspicious person. Whether or not other people also think he's scummy is irrelevant.


This is so bad I'm not even sure it's scummy. Like, whether or not people think someone is scummy is super relevant. If you think ghost is scum, you should make a really good case and convince everyone he's scummy. You can't lynch him unless other people also think he's scummy. It's like the most relevant thing in the world, and it's kinda the reason you make a case along with your vote.


I made my post on Ghost before Navillus made his super scummy post, so of course I couldn't vote for Navillus when he hadn't acted scummy yet, unlike Navillus, who voted for Hyaach instead of me in the same post.

But you are right, Navillus is more scummy than ghost.
##Vote: Navillus
[br]

On June 06 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's almost as if MrZ is trying too hard to put on an air of "I don't give a shit if I'm scummy"-townie isn't it?

Ugh...as I said, I'm going to go home and flow-chart this shite and see if anything jumps out at me.

BH can I ask what brought on the change in playstyle? I mean, not that I mind - but I DO kinda miss the fun-loving Paint-slinging BH of old. I understand the bit about you toning down your language, but that doesn't account for the other nuances that made you such a joy to play with...what gives bro?


To be honest, I don't see how I seem scummy, so of course I'm not going to care about it.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 01:40 GMT
#166
Ghost I am bothered by the statement "His posting is empty."

I know my first two posts weren't great, as there wasn't much to discuss at the beginning, but I feel everything else has contained information.

Can you show specific posts of mine that seem "empty" instead of posting vague, inaccurate statements?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 01:59 GMT
#169
Also Ghost, why haven't you pointed out Furer's posts that looked scummy?
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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 02:21 GMT
#179
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.

Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 02:47 GMT
#194
We shouldn't lynch BH.

We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 03:11 GMT
#210
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.

It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.

I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 03:21 GMT
#217
Oooooo, I like his style.

It reminds me of something, but what?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 03:58 GMT
#224
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.

Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 15:10 GMT
#254
On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.



BH didn't know where Pandain "blueslipped", so I told him.


On June 06 2012 11:47 MrZentor wrote:
We shouldn't lynch BH.

We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.


How is this empty? I'm telling people BH is a terrible lynch and showing then two other scummy lynch candidates. (At that time I took Pandain's claim for granted, but I later see that he's probably scum.)

On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.

It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.

I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?


Here I give an excellent reason for why he's scum, and that's empty because...?

On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Oooooo, I like his style.

It reminds me of something, but what?


It's a joke, if you couldn't tell from Snarf's response, but you wouldn't get it because you haven't researched my past games or played in them.

On June 06 2012 12:58 MrZentor wrote:
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.

Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?


And here I give a good reason for why it would still be extremely difficult for scum to pull off claiming vigilante.




Ghost, your sad attempt at making my posts bursting with information seem empty is terrible

Oh also, ##Unvote: Navillus
##Vote: Pandain

Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#260
Katina and Ghost should learn to read.

Just because I didn't state the reason in the post in which I voted doesn't mean I didn't state it previously.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 06 2012 22:14 GMT
#310
Why would you blue claim when you're an ordinary townsperson?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 07 2012 22:11 GMT
#378
I would also suggest Ghost as a lynch candidate.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 08 2012 01:16 GMT
#394
Does anybody else find it suspicious that BOTH the mafia's shot and the supposed vigilante's shot got blocked?
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