Emergency Mini Mafia!

On June 05 2012 22:31 ghost_403 wrote:
I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him.

Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch.

I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip.

On June 05 2012 23:11 ghost_403 wrote:
@artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked.

As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit.

See, that's funny, because I think your case against G_403 is scummy. I also think that this sentence you JUST SAID, this one right here, is the same one you call G_403 scummy for using:

What G_403 says here is null. Although there are scum who do this to delay, there are town players who say this before going to bed or whatever. MrZ quotes it like it's some sort of evidence then says "I can't wait" as though that's analysis, but don't be tricked! It's not!

On June 06 2012 09:09 Blazinghand wrote:
I'd like to hear what MrZ and Navillus have to say about each other.

Currently their most recent positions are:

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild G_403 case.

And

Which seems like a pretty aggressive case compared to his relatively mild Hyaach case.

This looks to me like 2 players who seem interested in making cases at each other without voting each other. Which is scummy. Distancing is a typical scum tactic.

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Also:

This is so bad I'm not even sure it's scummy. Like, whether or not people think someone is scummy is super relevant. If you think ghost is scum, you should make a really good case and convince everyone he's scummy. You can't lynch him unless other people also think he's scummy. It's like the most relevant thing in the world, and it's kinda the reason you make a case along with your vote.

On June 06 2012 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's almost as if MrZ is trying too hard to put on an air of "I don't give a shit if I'm scummy"-townie isn't it?

Ugh...as I said, I'm going to go home and flow-chart this shite and see if anything jumps out at me.

BH can I ask what brought on the change in playstyle? I mean, not that I mind - but I DO kinda miss the fun-loving Paint-slinging BH of old. I understand the bit about you toning down your language, but that doesn't account for the other nuances that made you such a joy to play with...what gives bro?

On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.

On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

On June 06 2012 11:47 MrZentor wrote:
We shouldn't lynch BH.

We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.

On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.

It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.

I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?

On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Oooooo, I like his style.

It reminds me of something, but what?

On June 06 2012 12:58 MrZentor wrote:
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.

Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?