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On June 03 2012 07:19 Vivax wrote:
And guess who his case was: heist. -_-

On June 02 2012 08:15 Xatalos wrote:
--snipped---

I'm not so sure about Heist. You haven't done much in the game so far, except when Suki had pressure on him. On the other hand, you were very active in the lynch discussion and focused on ensuring the lynch. I want to see you push an original case sooner rather than later.

Not much to say about s0Lstice, he has been active and helpful after the suboptimal start. Not likely Mafia.

All in all, I'm most concerned about Heist among us who opposed lynching Suki. But I'm also concerned about those who stayed out of the spotlight as we went closer to the deadline, such as Eishi_Ki, Miltonkram, sciberbia and Superouman. I want to hear your explanations for avoiding (or mostly avoiding) the most important event in the game so far, and I want some substance to make up for it.

I'm really tired right now and I'm going to sleep. I feel confident there's enough material to find the remaining Mafia already, so I'll have to read a lot of filters when I get back. Ange777, you're pushing for Vivax, and although you were already right about Suki, I'm not convinced about Vivax at the moment. I'll have to read through his filter next to search for the signs you're seeing.

On June 04 2012 20:00 Xatalos wrote:
Small correction to my previous post: then there's also Miltonkram's doubt towards me, which is an improvement over having no original opinions (with the exception of a safe lurker vote). Still, it came only after I put pressure on him, WITHOUT addressing any of my accusations. That means it's just a reactionary deflection from himself, not a genuine suspicion towards me.

ShiaoPi, I agree that my initial case on Heist wasn't that strong. However, his comment on Vivax "bussing" raised so many red flags that I focused on finding additional evidence and saw some Mafia slips that weren't actual slips. s0Lstice had a good case on him, how is it suspicious to use some of the stuff s0Lstice already mentioned? As a sidenote, I addressed the lynch situation and my actions during it a bit earlier to Miltonkram.

I don't know how this thread became so dead since Day 1. It's really hurting the discussion that a couple of active posters do all the talking, while the rest just stay silent. We need more contribution from almost everyone right now (with the exception of those who have now been active).

On June 04 2012 21:53 Vivax wrote:
@ Miltonkram:

I'm pretty sure Xatalos is townie, simply cause he adresses suki, heist and O.Golden_ne in the last part you've quoted.
I know I'm being stubborn again on my suspicions, but face it:

suki never tried to rise attention towards heist, he never adressed him directly, same goes for O.Golden_ne.
In his filter, if you search for the word heist, you will find it once in a part where he tries to make Eishi_Ki look suspicious based on heist's and O.Golden_ne's attacks on me, cause that makes Eishi_Ki looks bandwagon-y, which I thought too, frankly.
Look for O.Golden_ne, you will get to suki's first post, where he suspects sciberbia and milton, who i both read as townie.
That's it, they kept the activity between each other to a minimum, but suki pretty much adresses everyone else directly, except for the two. If that's not a safe scumtell, I don't know.

@ Xatalos

No, I didn't give up on my defense, I've already written it down, and my best defense atm is good offense/scumhunting.
If you really look at your posts and then go through mine, you will find my defense anyway, I'm just tired of repeating it over and over when people ignore points I've already made, it's a waste of time.
Also, look at suki's first post concerning miltonkram and you'll know that it's nonsense to think miltonkram might not be town.

To me, it looks like you're too focused on the last posts and making the same mistake as Ange777. There are so many early posts from a confirmed mafia which hold so much more information, yet you prefer to look in a stage where every post is hard to contextualize. This is a point I've been making the entire time, and I would bet that everyone would agree on the logic. It's choosing the safe over the unsafe method, which you are not doing since you even suspect miltonkram when suki's first post disproves him being mafia.

And ShiaoPi doesn't even consider heist being mafia, wtf? There's so much evidence, you simply ignore it to push a case against me? Also, i prefer to not go through your offensive posts. Calling someone stupid and retarded isn't a good way to make reads, but I think the host might remind you of that at some point.

My list of scum remains the same: heist, ShiaoPi

##Vote heist

On June 05 2012 01:27 Vivax wrote:
Regarding suki:
How is the reasoning odd?
Suki posted more, that's all. What made me so suspicious about Ange777 is her timing when she posted something substantial for the first time. Read on.

Ange:
Look at Ange's posts before her comeback, she even announced she would contribute and didn't do so until there was a real danger of being lynched cause town was about to lynch the most lurking person in that game.
Here she suddenly appeared, saying that we might hit blue as only inital defense, and apologized for the absence saying what kept her busy.

Then I was just pretty sure that it's mafia behavior to be silent all game and just show up when you're about to get killed, throwing accusations at three different players (me, unforgiven and suki).
I was fearing that through town's confusion it wouldn't come to a day 1 lynch, so I preferred to stick with my initial target cause I believed it was more likely to get a lynch on Ange777.

It was Xatalos who made the first vote on her, I was third after miltonkram. You are making such a big deal out of the fact that I believed that suki was town, most of the town did (except for Eishi_Ki and unforgiven and later Ange777).
She admitted having a bad impact on that game with the sudden return reading scum to me. Town was about to set the vote, and I didn't want to vote for someone I didn't believe to be mafia unless it was the only possible way to get a Day 1 lynch, which I announced from the beginning.

Then heist: Wtf, you mention what you believe without even saying what should be wrong about that scumslip, he says he doesn't believe suki to be mafia and 12 minutes later he contradicts himself by saying it looks like I'm bussing.
Also, bad redefinition, my entire response was: 'Your word choice is strange cause it contradicts your official beliefs'.
Also, you completely ignore the time of the post, i posted that before s0lstice died, but you say I use that to push after s0lstice's death.

I understand you don't have a good overview of my actions cause you just joined the game, but you should really read everything if you plan on going for such accusations of single players. You will find all kind of suspicious things about other players if you go with the premise that they are guilty and look close enough.

Eishi_Ki:
Contributing and boost my filter? You realize I was the first to push the case and barely anyone believed Eishi to be scum? How exactly should that help me as mafia? Taking a hard stance?Going against the grain? None of these helps mafia.
Eishi joined in against me after two posts from heist and O.Golden, accusing me for townreading sciberbia too early.

Now that you know that sciberbia is town with very high probability, why should I defend him as mafia? Townreading him actually was against the mafia's interest, as you see with suki's next post doubting my read. Then heist and O.Golden attacked me.

On June 05 2012 04:22 Vivax wrote:


I placed the vote on Y cause we needed a day 1 lynch and there were two votes left, in the end those were from me and heist as last vote. I could have kept suki alive if I wanted to. And i could have voted after heist.

I know my defense of suki looks scummy, but no mafia would defend one of theirs directly, then vote for them and reveal the information. It's a loss-loss situation for scum.



GG Mafia