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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-28 23:17:30
April 28 2012 22:52 GMT
#26
/in

=/ I didn't get invited
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 29 2012 13:25 GMT
#46
ohhhhhhhhhhh, is minority game the arc that introduces Fukunaga? I love her lol. She's the best.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 13:32 GMT
#121
I don't know if everyone voting the same answer leads to no minority and then the game going to round B...has anyone asked the hosts about this? Also, I do think that a one person minority and everyone else being in the majority is the right thing to do. Everyone goes to Round B and while yes, it's possible that many townies might be killed at 0 votes, I highly doubt it will really get that bad. The really really bad townies will obviously die this way but that's good for the town as well since it gets rid of distractions early. It's like a vigi hit that the whole town controls. It's basically multi-lynch but not everyone knows the votes. I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out though. Invisible hand! Free Market!
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 13:54 GMT
#124
how is my plan dumb? my plan is just your plan but without a king deciding who gets to be in the minority...The people who would be in the minority in your plan won't be just one probably but a major part of the players will probably still be going to round 2.

Your plan just makes it so that you (obviously you're going to vote to be in the minority) control everything about round 1. That's so problematic especially is the game goes on because you get more and more power as there's less and less people to control.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 14:26 GMT
#130
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 14:45 GMT
#134
On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 23:26 chaoser wrote:
On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.


How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one"

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.


So we're to buy into this plan on the idea that we can trust "your word" that palmar is "townie enough"? The alternative ISN'T random chance or worse. We all decide someone that should be minority, everyone else gets sent to round B. That is basically palmar's original plan but without the exemption part. It's a simpler plan since we only have to decide on one person to be in the minority.

On April 30 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote:
Okay, I got it.

So we just force the people we want to lynch to be on the majority side of the thing right? Actually, we should just say "everyone votes YES" unless given an exemption. That way we can just weed out obvious townies and spend the rest of the day figuring out whom to lynch.

Also lynching a lot of people sounds fun.

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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 14:57 GMT
#137
Ok, how do we hold him responsible? How do we know that his picks for exemption are pro-town and not pro-mafia? How long will it take us to figure out his picks are pro-mafia? Probably a very long time if he's mafia and his teammates just play very "townie like"; There are two mafia teams so it's very easy to scumhunt while being scum yourself. Putting someone into power to always decide Round 1 is ridiculous because of that. We don't know anything about mafia, what roles they might have, or how much KP they have. If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 15:15 GMT
#138
And if he IS suspicious, then how do we get him into round B? His vote will be unknown and unless everyone agrees that he is scummy, there is no way to 100% get him into round B. We would all have to agree he needed to get into round B and then split the vote evenly so that no matter what he voted, he'd be a part of the majority. You think that's more probable to plan than keeping it simple by making one person the minority on each day?
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:33 GMT
#173
On May 01 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote:
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If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.

This is such a ridiculous assertion that I think I know who I will be voting to lynch today. Too late for what? Why do you assume it would take long? And if he is mafia and had given his team mates immunity on previous rounds, wouldn't we just catch them all at once? Don't you think the other team would shoot him anyway? Why is he, as mafia, putting himself in such a spotlight especially given that there is another team that can, presumably, just kill him?

It seems to me your mindset is not that of a townie


Why do you assume it WON'T take long to figure out if palmar is mafia or not? YOU'RE the one saying the plan will work. YOU'RE the one that needs to argue and prove it. If he was mafia, do you really think it'd be as simple as "everyone he gave immunity to is mafia"? If we're just mislynching for like three days, does that mean palmar is mafia? What if we lynched one mafia in three days? two? None of it means shit since there's TWO FAMILIES! And if palmar isn't targetting the other family, he obviously won't get shot. Even if he does get shot, there'd be so much confusion over who he gave immunity to and whatnot that a huge WIFOM would occur. Why make it that complex?

Keep it simple. 1 immunity, everyone else goes to round 2, we all say what our votes will be before giving them in.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:35 GMT
#175
On May 01 2012 02:58 syllogism wrote:
Since jubjubs aren't complying with the best plan for day 1, we need to reach consensus on round A voting within a few hours. I think this game would be better with 72 hour days, there is so little time to come up with plans or even contact everyone within 24 hours.


ad hominems sure do work well to convince others...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:46 GMT
#181
no shit I'm going to be in a majority? i just said everyone except for one person should be in the majority...

how is my stance apathetic?? I said to keep it simple and then work it out from there. Palmar is saying we should have this plan which hinges on him being the one in power. I'm saying that if he's mafia, the situation would be extremely bad, that should be a given in any game; that giving mafia a lot of power is bad. Let's say we ARE following palmar's plan, and lets say he thinks what, like 3 people should get immunity for round A today, what does that really change? two more people going to be a part of Round B. We still need to do that exact thing in round 2 then as we would do if we kept it simple. Keeping it simple is like if it was just palmar picking only one person to be immune day 1.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:48 GMT
#184
what a horribly misrepresentation of my post...where do you get the "things will work out in the end"? When I say the votes will end up sorting out, i mean that obviously people will TALK about the votes and also be posting their votes publicly so that town can scrutinize and talk about it all.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:55 GMT
#188
On May 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote:
Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not?


yes I do. and you by association
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#189
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 19:18 GMT
#198
On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 03:56 chaoser wrote:
If i had to lynch someone today, it'd be palmar

Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this?


Before the game started, I was thinking that if I was mafia I would come out of the gate very strong, use the WIFOM of "he's so out there, there's no way he's mafia" card and then make it to day 3 or 4 by way of offering an audacious plan. There's no way such a person wouldn't attract a medic or something, as can be seen in A LOT of TL games (specifically in space station with sandro's strong coming out). Even if I didn't attract a medic, the other mafia family probably won't shoot me because they'd fear a medic protect anyway. It was more of a solo plan that I was thinking about but having another person along would make it even more "out there".

Mafia win the game by outnumbering townie, not by having as many people stay alive till the end. If mafia can waste enough time to get to LYLO, it doesn't matter what the town does since it's very rare for town to play perfectly once LYLO is reached, especially if mafia has been defending townies as well as teammates. So much WIFOM at LYLO means mafia will probably win. That's how I always play as mafia; go look at that game where Ver was badass professor. Had mafia pushed that last lynch on a townie instead of on me, town would have been at LYLO and would have been fucked. Barundar and GM had believed and supported me the whole way, they were definitely going to be mislynched sooner or later. Even if most of my team was lynched after reaching LYLO, mafia would have probably won.

That's why as soon as palmar busted out with his plan, I was very very suspicious because it was going down exactly how I thought a mafia would play it. Having one person in power in this game is actually really bad
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 19:23 GMT
#199
I listed the old games to support my idea that mafia win by trying to get to LYLO as quickly as possible. One day to do that is to preoccupy the town for so long that they don't have time to fully work things out cause one thing kept coming up after another and by the time they thought something was wrong, it'd be too late. An example of this is my most recent game where that dude claimed cop and both him and my teammate got lynched. I was so happy he claimed cop cause so many early cycles got wasted on that.

This is exactly what would happen if any single one person was given full power in this game. Sandro's "switching" power holder is even worse...that's so goddamn complicated it'd make anything happening so screwy..
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#202
How is arguing against it a non-town mindset? What is a townie mind set? It sounds like you're saying, if you agree, you're likely townie, if you disagree, you're not.

If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.


how is that a "non-townie" mindset? I basically said if palmar was mafia, it would be very bad for us and would take a long time to figure out which is true in any situation where mafia has gotten into a position of power. How many times have you seen a mafia mayor get lynched day two? Barely any as far as I can tell. Do you agree that if palmar is mafia, it would be a bad idea for this plan to go through?

Even if you think that is a possible mafia strategy, do you think it is a likely one? It makes perfect sense from a town point of view and is exactly what you would expect from town palmar.


You have to admit that that is WIFOM, saying that this is expected from town palmar. I personally feel it's a likely mafia strategy in this game, especially since I thought it up before the game started.

And I pointed to specifics a lot? How have I not posted in specifics? Sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean by that. I already said clearly why I don't like palmar's plan and what we should do instead...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 21:06 GMT
#230
lol...palmar's reads are basically, anyone who agrees whole heartly with that I'm saying is town. People who oppose it are mafia.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 21:10 GMT
#233
On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote:
Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace


can't tell if being sarcastic or...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#247
On May 01 2012 06:17 Katina wrote:
Palmar thinks his whole "I'm the King, bow down and listen to me" plan is helping then that's pretty scummy or just bad town. It has brought nothing but a distraction to the thread. Everyone has been completely diverted by this plan of giving him all the power. All the time could have been spent looking for the Mafia instead of arguing that "Plan".

It would be ideal for the Mafia to cause this sort of distraction so they can easily hide under the attention that has been directed onto Palmar. In order to make a clear decision when vote time comes around the town needs to start building cases against possible Mafia and not getting sidetracked by such silliness.


Um, the discussion it brought is pretty helpful? It started discussion? The plan itself sucks though and is very anti-town.
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