EPT3rd game here. Taking advantage of noob status!
EDIT: awww shucks, just read the post about total noobs first. Pick me anyway!
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3rd game here. Taking advantage of noob status! EDIT: awww shucks, just read the post about total noobs first. Pick me anyway! | ||
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 Do you mean the first to get the most votes? | ||
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On April 10 2012 22:09 marvellosity wrote: With your good mafia play in DFM2, you have have outgrown this, Acrofales... /blush Two things, though: I have never played town (not that I'd object to playing scumteam forever: so far 2 for 2) and good play does not a non-noob make. I still don't know many of the things lots of vets seem to take for granted. Things like prplhz's breadcrumbing of his role flew way over my head (I just thought he was making BillMurray's roleclaim sound stronger than it was). | ||
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VT = Vanilla Townie. Basic town player with no special abilities. DT = Detective. KP = Kill Power. If accompanied by a number, the number of people that role/faction can kill at night. SK = Serial Killer. (not in this game) EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post. Because editing is strictly forbidden, use this acronym in a doublepost to indicate an edit. EBWODP = Edit By Way of Double Post. Same as above. OMGUS = Oh My God U Suck. When someone accuses someone else based ONLY on the fact that that someone accused him first. WIFOM = Wine In Front Of Me. A reference to + Show Spoiler [this] + FoS = Finger of Suspicion. When you don't want to vote for someone, but want to make it very clear that he/she is under suspicion of being mafia. LYLO = LYnch or LOse. Situation in which the town has to lynch a mafia, in order to not lose the game. MYLO = MislYnch and LOse. Softcore version of the above: town can suffer a no-lynch, but a mislynch costs them the game (cannot happen in this game). | ||
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On April 12 2012 03:49 Snarfs wrote: There's a link at the bottom of the mafiascum newbie guide which leads here: MafiaScum Commonly Used Abbreviations Ah lol. Didn't know that Found their page on WIFOM, but didn't know they had all acronyms in a handy list. Ah well. Waste of effort then. | ||
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Luckily it wasn't a total loss, because I did get two things from it. The first is that Dittert made a really bad proposal and got it shot down. That makes Dittert either scum, or noobie. Seeing as we're all noobs, that doesn't mean much, but I have my eye on him now and want him to post something useful. The other thing I got is more serious. KharadBanar has been a paragon of recycling useless stuff. He does not take a firm stance on anything much at all (except maybe lurker lynches, which everybody and their blind grandma will say yes to). Whereas other people pointed out that Dittert's policy was just plain bad, KharadBanar decided that it was more important to show that it was technically difficult to accomplish: why bother? However, my biggest problem with KharadBanar was his "pressure" vote. It has been pointed out why his pressure vote was bad, but what was even worse was that, after he admitted that and Hiro posted anyway, he just laid off and unvoted. If Hiro had posted anything useful I would agree with that, but here is Hiro's response to the "pressure": On April 12 2012 09:57 HiroPro wrote: I'm not an idiot Kharad. Also, lol @ anyone who thinks Kharad's vote is random. He picked me because he wants to compare the response from last game to this game. And this entire conversation about how and when to pressure vote is pointless, considering it's already been done in this game. A completely fair response in my book, because there was no pressure to start with, but if Kharad actually wanted to pressure Hiro, NOW is the chance to lay it on and get a real response. You've made a ballsup, Hiro responded knowing you fubar'd it up. Now ask him some pointed questions and get a response from Hiro when he's actually under pressure. Instead, what does Kharad do? On April 12 2012 10:01 KharadBanar wrote: ...and this is actually a useful answer. Thank you Hiro. I'm not saying this is how it's done but I got the result I wanted in some way. ##unvote btw, I don't think it's that obvious to everyone that I picked you just for that. What? How was his answer in any way, shape, or form useful? All he said was "lololol wtf vote". So yeah, Kharad. Step it up. People say your play in Newbie VI was good. I want to see some of that play instead of all this nonsense. @Xatalos: of course I was quiet, I was asleep. | ||
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On April 12 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Acrofales, you say KharadBanar hasn't taken a firm stance, but neither have you - you just noticed a couple of potentially suspicious actions and left it at that. Why not pressure either Dittert or KharadBanar? Why no firm stance on anything? I agree with your points, but it's not very useful to just point out something and do nothing about it. It's early in the day. I have no clear scum reads yet. I find KharadBanar's posting to be suspicious. I was thinking of voting for him, but I want him to respond first. Let me reiterate: there are still 37 hours left in this day and I prefer to gather information rather than tunnel on one person. Here's what I think of the other goings on: Xatalos' ArcticFox case: I would say something about this, because I have an opinion, but I find it far more interesting to see what ArcticFox says about it. Dittert: I don't think his stupid idea was enough to label him scum off the bat. However, Dittert has appeared as a minor blip on my scumdar and I would like to hear what he has to say about the goings on in the thread. Dittert, if the day deadline were to be in 2 hours, who would you want to lynch and why? And just to make things completely clear. KharadBanar: stop shitting up the thread and start contributing. Why did you find Hiro's answer "useful"? Who do you think is scum and why? | ||
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On April 12 2012 18:58 Xatalos wrote: But the pressure is much stronger with vote+argument instead of just a vote (KharadBanar) or just an argument (Acrofales). So Acrofales, I encourage you to vote already. Your hesitation to vote only increases my suspicion of you, just like KharadBanar's empty voting increases my suspicion of him. A townie should never hesitate to vote. So while I agree that they need to respond, we won't necessarily get the answers we seek without the actual pressure of being lynched. I respectfully disagree. I am not VisceraEyes to randomly fling my vote around. I have two tools: my voice and my vote and I will be the judge of when to use one, the other or both. You're saying a townie should never be afraid to vote as if the reverse is suspicious: a townie should never not-vote. I think townies have every right not to vote when they feel there is no reason to. Currently, I see no reason to vote for KharadBanar or anybody else; and satisfying your paranoia is definitely not a reason. Don't worry though, when I feel sufficiently certain that someone is scum, I will let everybody know with both argument and a vote. | ||
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I like KharadBanar's response. It makes sense. I have not much else to say on this matter at the moment. While I like the discussion around ArcticFox, I want him himself to respond himself. He's in a different timezone, which means he's probably waking up sometime around now and I look forward to his post. Personally I don't have a scumread on him, but we'll see what he says. Now on to some more interesting stuff: Trumpetarn, I don't really like your posting style. You are parroting other people's opinions without adding anything to the discussion. This is a really easy trick for mafia to get on a bandwagon, without ever stepping into the spotlight. Another thing I don't like is this bit of your post: I do feel that this early in the game pressure with 2-3 votes against players probably will get anyone of us to get a bit stressed and maybe make us slip no matter if we're scum or not. This seems like a very easy way for you to pave the way for you covering any potential scumslips you make. Now I tend to think that scumslips are vastly overrated (and I have played two mafia games in which I hugely trumped up people's scumslips... as mafia), but that is not what you're saying. You're saying that we should not pressure too much, because it will make townies look like mafia. I vehemently disagree: pressure is a great tool for distinguishing the townie from the scum... just not by scumslips. So... I want to hear your opinion. In fact, I want you to tell me what you think about Xatalos, his playstyle and his case on Arcticfox. So far your vague suspicion of Xatalos has been your only real contribution so far, and I find it rather meagre. Tell us more about why you don't like his playstyle. @Kharad: I think that at the moment we have an excellent opportunity to get people to post content and get some reads. At some point we will have to focus on who should be lynched, but we still have over 30 hours of day left: plenty of time to just gather information. If people post (meaningful content), that allows us to get reads and have an informed lynch, rather than a mindless bandwagon. | ||
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I like ArcticFox's response to the case, which I thought was a trumped up load of poppycock. I just wanted to see Arctic's reply, because I had a null read on him and seeing him post in response was good. While scrolling to the end of this, I see Willz has pretty much destroyed the case already: the main problem with the case is that it is completely false meta. You are not ArcticFox and he is not you. Additionally I didn't find his references to blues in any way shape or form a way of fishing for blues. However, it was interesting to see his response. ArcticFox has acted townie so far. Something that I cannot possibly say about Dittert and while quite a few people are suspicious of him, I cannot understand why people have not jumped on his latest shitty post. + Show Spoiler [Dittert's absurd accusations] + On April 12 2012 23:53 Dittert wrote: @Xatalos I think you have a decent case against ArcticFox, and I would feel comfortable voting for him Day 1 (as things stand right now). That being said, I am actually even more suspicious of willz22912. He's lurking now (or sleeping, or at work) after posting a decent number of posts in the first 2 hours of the game. In those posts, he says a couple of things that catch my attention. First, How does that not scream scum? It's not just that he doesn't want a Lynch all Liars policy (which would in theory encourage, or at least allow for, lying), but he dismisses it out of hand. "Don't dwell on liars" is exactly the kind of thing scum would say. Second, we have this gem: Town willing to kill other town? Even a bad townie (or a townie with a bad idea) is still a townie. It seems to me that this is a numbers game, and you should want as many people on your team alive as possible. I think willz22912 saw my bad RNG play as an opportunity to get the town to lynch one of their own, hence all the commotion about it. That ArcticFox immediately joined willz makes me even more suspicious of him (him being AF). LaL IS a dumb policy and Willz pointing it out is good. Your RNG policy was dumb, and pointing that was good too. The butthurt OMGUS you're pulling here is pretty damned terrible. This is not a case against Willz, it's a half-arsed attempt to get out from under the pressure. I know I asked for reads... I just didn't know they'd be this bad. Dittert, please give me your opinion of Xatalos... more on him in a later post. Btw, to get things straight: we should absolutely be on the lookout for lies, but policy lynching them is absurd. If you catch someone lying, by all means jump on it, but lies go in the box with the rest of the evidence. They are not the be-all end-all and I can reference 2 games off the top of my head, where town lies served a purpose. ##FoS: Dittert So far Dittert. I will go through the rest of this random-accusation-town right now. | ||
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First things first. The air here is getting paranoid. If someone points out some suspect behaviour, address the content, however bad you think it is, not the person. This is especially addressed to Yomi, who will receive my second ##FoS: Yomi A Yomi or Dittert lynch at this point seems to me to be a decent option, but I don't want to get ahead of myself, because there's plenty of time left, and pretty much everything so far can be attributed to noob overreactions. It does mean I really want these two players to start participating actively in the game and trying to read other players: I know it is hard, but simply throwing a tantrum and OMGUSing whoever suspects you will get you my vote. So.. back to Yomi. Xatalos made a fluff call-out to lurkers. Lets note the timestamp: On April 12 2012 23:45 Xatalos wrote: 9 minutes later, Yomi appears! Now I know nothing about what timezone Yomi is in and it could be coincidence, but it is something I noticed. On April 12 2012 23:56 yomi wrote: It was especially noteworthy, because Dittert did the same thing, although that didn't quite catch my attention as much, because people have been calling Dittert out repeatedly. His post was a rather wishy washy explanation, but bad analysis is not scummy, it's just bad. At this point I didn't really note much, except for him appearing at a convenient time. However, his later posting made my spidersense tingle: ArcticFox makes a perfectly obvious observation that Yomi needs to clear up: On April 13 2012 01:00 ArcticFox wrote: EBWOP: Also for Yomi -- why is the vote for Dittert if you're sure Brood's scum? And here is Yomi's response: On April 13 2012 01:30 yomi wrote: note arctic coming to the defense of dittert aka the most highly suspected player defending the second most highly suspected player. first big slip? not sure what to make of hiro accusing xatalos. I think the guy is kind of ridiculous but I think he (xatalos) is town. arctic/ditt/hiropro mafia 1/2/3 ? Not only does he not answer the question, but he double OMGUSs in a single post. He also seems to have forgotten completely about his only argumented scumread: Brood. I find this behaviour extremely suspicious. He later does answer the question, but I just really really REALLY dislike this post. On April 13 2012 01:44 yomi wrote: also hiropro just retaliates against anyone who accuses him and does not post anything substantive himself. Irony much? You have so far voted Dittert, which is understandable. You have posted a case on Brood and OMGUS'd HiroPro and ArcticFox. I also have not seen HiroPro exhibit the behaviour you accuse him of, but maybe I'm just dense. All of this can be explained by an overreacting newbie, but it is far too defensive for my taste, when nobody actually accused him of anything in particular. @Trumpetar: seems like a fair reply. I hope to see some of your reads. Your English is fine, don't be shy @Xatalos: I have gone through ArcticFox's filter again and I really don't see how his brief posts shooting down policy proposals made by other people are scummy. He posts his opinion (in a grand total of 2 posts) without trying to keep the discussion going. In contrast to KB and Brood who seemed to be happy making more, and larger, useless posts about policy. I also don't see the fixation on blues that you do, which reinforces my opinion that you are just trying too hard. I don't like the second part of your post at ALL. Why are you trying so hard to convince us you're town? Posting a bad case is just a bad case. Emphasizing how good, interesting and useful your posting the bad case was is trying to worm yourself into my good books. Seems scummy. And that is pretty much my summary of you. You alternate useful, townie posts, with posts that make me cringe and want to lynch you for the smarmy scumbag you are. So keep to posting cases and generating discussion: if you are contributing we will notice. No need to point it out. | ||
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On April 13 2012 04:19 imallinson wrote: Mainly because he was the first person to go out of his way to voice his suspicions of someone. That strikes me as very town like play. That was spectacularly underwhelming. Posting a case on someone is not a tell of anything, plenty of reason for scum to post cases (and I should know, I spent most of GoT mafia blowing up townie's mistakes into cases). He probably has the largest filter of anybody and your reason for listing him as your strongest town read is that he was the first to post a case. I won't ask for more, but I hope not everybody is as gullible as that. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:19 willz22912 wrote: I'm waiting on responses from at least half the thread, I'm not going to make a case based on this little posting, that's not going to convince anyone. I will have a case written up and posted at least 4-5 hours before deadline tomorrow(~1-2pm est), so that's enough time for discussion. Specifically, I'm calling out Yomi, BroodkingExe, HiroPro, imallinson, trumpetarm to post something, at least either their top town or scum read and their own opinions. I'm tired of seeing people pick on the easiest targets with little to no explanation. I think all our scum lists are quite similar at the moment. I have dittert as a scumspect and am not as suspicious of trumpetarm: I find dittert's few posts more suspect than trumpetarm's, who seems to at least be trying to contribute. BroodkingExe has posted very actively in the first few hours of the game and seriously shat up the thread, but I didn't really get a read. His latest post is a mix. On the one hand, he posts some analysis (mostly rehashed, but still, it's an opinion). On the other hand, he writes in bold letters that discussion of scumspects is bad for town. This is so utterly and blatantly wrong that it wasn't even worth responding to. At first I thought it was a scummy thing to say, but rethinking it, I kinda think it's probably just a noobie error who is alarmed at suspicions running wild. His vote for dittert is, imho neither here nor there. Dittert is in my top 3 scum and Broodking tries to offer some new reasons, which are pretty weak imho, but I don't think it's a mindless hop on the Dittert bandwagon. Summary: I have my eye on him, but am not in favour of lynching him yet. I'm also still on the fence about Imallison. I will have to take a good look at his filter (I did earlier and came up null, but he's posted more since). That makes my list: Dittert, Yomi and HiroPro. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:49 HiroPro wrote: Dittert's posting is not that of mafia. He made a silly suggestion and then backed off it, much more indicative of inexperienced town. Read better. All I got from your contributions to this game is a really incoherent summary of Xatalos' scummy behaviour and a vote. If that is your only suspect I am unimpressed. What do you think of BroodkingExe? | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:54 HiroPro wrote: Why do you say that trumpetarm's post contribute more than dittert's? All he's said was that the pressure votes were useless and that Xatalos may be town or sneaky mafia. Which, imho, is more than Dittert's post about Willz and RNG proposal. Lets be honest, both Dittert and Trumpetarm's filters are completely useless and they both have to step up their game. @Trumpetarn: if you had a gun and had to shoot someone right now. Who would it be and why? @Dittert: you have a strange opinion of a scummy player. I therefore want to hear your top 3 town reads (although I generally hate town lists, in this case it might be interesting). | ||
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