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GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
April 09 2012 23:26 GMT
#1
I dont know if this is worth a thread, but I think its quite interesting, that some koreans want to see foreigners to win tournaments like IPL4

Source: http://www.twitch.tv/iplliveu/b/314371855 Starting @ ~38 min both aLive and Ganzi state that they want Stephano to win/do well because hes a foreigner and there are so many koreans in foreign tourneys, earlier in this vod MMA stated the same starting @~21 min.

This is in my opinion very interesting since there is so much talking going on about how it sucks that foreigners arent able to compete with koreans. I see various reasons too why koreans now want foreigners to do well. One would obviously be that they're just being polite, since they're interviewed by foreigners.
Another reason, and that is the interesting one for me, is that they realize that foreigners cheer more for foreign players, and that they might stop paying attention to tournaments if there are only korean players flying to for example MLG and taking top 30.

What do you guys think, why do koreans want foreigners to do well?
Timurid
Profile Joined April 2011
Guyana (French)656 Posts
April 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#2
Tired of facing the same people lol.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
April 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#3
Because they are the underdogs and it creates good storylines? Not that interesting or surprising really.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10384 Posts
April 09 2012 23:30 GMT
#4
It's like a reverse Linsanity
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
April 09 2012 23:32 GMT
#5
On April 10 2012 08:29 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Because they are the underdogs and it creates good storylines? Not that interesting or surprising really.

I think its interesting, because there was some talk about koreans having their pride and therefore are trying to win everything.
Some people said that koreans would work together against foreigners and stuff like that...
Leftwing
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada229 Posts
April 09 2012 23:33 GMT
#6
Wouldn't it be ironic if Koreans dominate the scene for the next 2-3 years, and then all of a sudden the first bonjwa of SC2 happens to be a foreigner? Calling it now.
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
April 09 2012 23:36 GMT
#7
On April 10 2012 08:33 Leftwing wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if Koreans dominate the scene for the next 2-3 years, and then all of a sudden the first bonjwa of SC2 happens to be a foreigner? Calling it now.


The way the game is set up there probably won't ever be an sc2 bonjwa and goddamnit i wish people would stop using the term
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Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
April 09 2012 23:37 GMT
#8
Well just ask yourself if you're a non-korean, "If a non-korean wins is it more imprinted on my mind than if another korean wins?"

The answer is most likely yes I remember Huk winning tournaments more than I do a korean winning a tournament. Or I remember Naniwa almost beating all the koreans at an MLG last year than I really cared about Leenock winning.

It generates more interest more competition is always funner than less for the competitive minded. I imagine if foreigners were dominating over koreans they'd say the same thing if you look at it that way.

Or I guess it could just be PR. Derp.
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Archontas
Profile Joined September 2010
United States319 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 23:41:33
April 09 2012 23:39 GMT
#9
Lots more foreign tournaments in the scene than Korean ones, more foreigners competing at the highest levels and winning creates more interest, leading to more tournaments and sponsor-interest, leading to more opportunities for everyone.

It really is in everyone's best interests for the scene to grow globally rather than be focused on any group in particular.
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 09 2012 23:40 GMT
#10
Stephano's a likable guy.

I'm sure just like us they want foreigners to do well because it makes for a global game, scene and competition. They left to join foreign teams themselves, they want the competition to be as fearce as possible for themselves to help them improve and as they are going to foreign tournaments now, they need guys like Stephano to win and other foreigners to challenge in championship brackets.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
April 09 2012 23:41 GMT
#11
On April 10 2012 08:36 `Zapdos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 08:33 Leftwing wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if Koreans dominate the scene for the next 2-3 years, and then all of a sudden the first bonjwa of SC2 happens to be a foreigner? Calling it now.


The way the game is set up there probably won't ever be an sc2 bonjwa and goddamnit i wish people would stop using the term
Oh come on, isn't it a little early in the game's life to be predicting that there won't ever be one? How long was it until one came around in BW - 3 years? We're seeing way better marine micro, splitting, and multitasking than we did 6-12 months ago. I would agree with you if the metagame was stagnant but I think there's at least a chance. There aren't any S class players (in their primes) playing SC2 anyways so there is a lot of talent potential if a switch did occur, not saying that it will or ever. bonjwa bonjwa

I think the idea of a foreign bonjwa is highly appealing though, and equally unlikely.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
April 09 2012 23:41 GMT
#12
I think a lot of it has to do with sponsor interest. They've begun to realize the strength of foreign sponsors through SC2 (seeing foreigners in Korea, joining foreign teams, foreign events, etc.) and know that if SC2 became completely Korean again, there's no reason/interest for foreign sponsors. Foreign teams will move away from SC2, events will cater towards different audiences, etc. Dominance can be good/cool to see, but too much dominance makes the scene stale.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15512 Posts
April 10 2012 00:15 GMT
#13
Too bad their players don't. Naniwa and others have commented on how Koreans all band together and share replays to beat foreigners like Naniwa and other top players who are actually on their level. But with all of their working together, they are able to always beat foreigners just due to the fact that their replays are shared by practice partners they trusted.
UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
April 10 2012 00:18 GMT
#14
On April 10 2012 08:30 BlackJack wrote:
It's like a reverse Linsanity

Hahaha so true...

Honestly, it's not suprising. This is how it should be, the Koreans dominate because they work harder and have a better training environment. The foreigners will have to work their asses off too if they want to compete. It legitimizes the e-Sport honestly.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
April 10 2012 00:19 GMT
#15
Koreans always say nice stuff about foreigners and say they are better than they really are just to be polite.

Nothing new.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 10 2012 00:22 GMT
#16
Well if there is anyone who could do it, it'd be Stephano.
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Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
April 10 2012 00:23 GMT
#17
It will finally create the illusion of a competition between korea and the rest of the world.
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Surrealistic
Profile Joined September 2009
311 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 00:26:50
April 10 2012 00:26 GMT
#18
On April 10 2012 09:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Too bad their players don't. Naniwa and others have commented on how Koreans all band together and share replays to beat foreigners like Naniwa and other top players who are actually on their level. But with all of their working together, they are able to always beat foreigners just due to the fact that their replays are shared by practice partners they trusted.

Yeah but isn't Naniwa notoriously known to be unlikeable within Korean circles, unwilling to assimilate etc? That's probably more his fault with the "everyone is against me" attitude. I remember Thorzain was very happy and felt very accepted in Korea.

edit: assimilate, similate
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 10 2012 00:26 GMT
#19
i'm sure everyone wants to move away from the bw stigma (white people suck)
except whitera, he beat boxer *nod*
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AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
April 10 2012 00:27 GMT
#20
THEY LIED!!
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