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TheToast
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TheToast
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Stupid questions I have: What happens if there is one mafia and a serial killer remaining, who wins? If a Watcher is watching a Tracker who is tracking someone what information, if any, does the Watcher return? Doesn't the serial killer introduce too much KP? If you have a 3 mafia setup, it would be theoretically possible for town to win night 1 right? | ||
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TheToast
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On February 28 2012 02:35 Mattchew wrote: The Setup is balanced Alright, I guess I believe you...  And maybe I have that tracker/watcher thing backwards? Basically I want to know if it's possible for either of them to detect that the other is a blue. So if the Tracker is tracking a Watcher, does the Tracker see the person is a watcher or do they just appear as though they are using no powers during the night. | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:48 GreYMisT wrote: A tracker see's who his target visits, a watcher see's who visits a target. If a tracker is tracking a watcher who is watching someone, they would return "your target visited X last night" Ah, thank you, this is what I wanted to know! | ||
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TheToast
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And 8 golden tickets, are we going to the Grand Galloping Gala?! @_@ | ||
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On February 29 2012 15:35 Adam4167 wrote: I've got a bad feeling about this. I'm sorry the correct response was *in a dwarf voice* "and my mousepad". "Monitor" would also have been acceptable. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 01 2012 12:18 Bluelightz wrote: derp, EBWOP So, to start some discussion here's some topics, 1). Should we adopt LA-Liars/Lurkers? Or just stick to analysis? 2). The lynch. 3). Activity(Policy on lurkers) Yeah, no lynching systems please. Lynches need to be based on strong logical analysis and evidence. Anything else really ends up hurting town more than anything. On March 01 2012 12:45 Pandain wrote: I was going to go to sleep but I had to say it. Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored. + Show Spoiler + On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside. Agreed. The more fluff, random posts in the thread, the easier it is for scum to hide. Keep it focused. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 01 2012 13:28 Probulous wrote: @Toast, did you read my response? I have now :D Pandain's point is valid none-the-less. We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say. On March 01 2012 13:25 Bluelightz wrote: @TheToast What do you think about how we should deal with lurkers? I would say why don't we wait for a few hours and see if we actually have any lurkers. And obvious scum should still be lynched first day one, if there are really no good candidates I would say then we should consider lynching a lurker. But in that case the lurker would be the best candidate, so I still say lynches need to be based on good analysis. I reiterate: silly lynch rules really only benefit scum. Logical analysis first please. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 01 2012 13:51 Probulous wrote: See this bugs me. It is the same for Pandain. I am trying to get people to post. I am actively pushing the thread along as best I can. What exactly do we have to avoid here? We are not on a track. I agree with Sandroba that policy talk is useless but it was brought up and I responded to those that asked me questions. However both of you guys are saying that I am spamming the thread with useless information. When I respond with my reasoning, neither of you acknowledge it. Pandain then ignores it and suggests that because I took "so long" writing it, I am hiding something. How do those things go together? Pandain calls me out for posting too much, but I am hiding something? Does anyone else find this strange? I wasn't trying to specifically call you out. See the first word in that bolded sentence? "WE" As in ALL of us, together, need to avoid getting side tracked. I'm also unsure how you get me accusing you of "spamming" from me saying we need to avoid getting side tracked. And to be fair, you did start a side conversation with Misder. I don't know that constitutes "spamming", but it's not going to lead to posts that can provide good analysis one way or the other. Just saying. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 01 2012 14:15 Probulous wrote: You said you agreed with Pandain, his accusation was that I am spamming. Hence you think I am spamming. What exactly are we getting sidetracked from? The only thing we can analyse is what people post. If people don't post, then we can't analyse. We don't have any defined targets, we have no direction, we have nothing right now. As for Misder, I don't like policies, he did. We discussed it. We agreed to disagree. Problem? That is the only thing of substance in this thread so far. Toast, I know you think logically. Do you find this post scummy? I wasn't trying to say you were spamming, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. Pandain made a point about avoiding outside conversation in the thread, I agreed with that point. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. So no, I don't have a problem with it. And you're right, I do try to think logically. As such I don't think two posts by themselves are enough to prove anyone as scum. | ||
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On March 02 2012 07:51 Pandain wrote: I believe Probulous is town, or at least not scummy enough to lynch day 1. He's way too active/aggressive I feel for him to be mafia, although I'll have to look at his previous games for confirmation. I'm most suspicious of The_Toast. Contrary to his last game as town, (filter HERE) he is much more taciturn this game. Compare that with his current posts. All hes done is agree with what others said, and justify his own views(almost guiltily/apolegtic.) generic, "pro town" advice. #vote the Toast Let me get this straight. You think I'm scum because I'm being too nice? Based on what, the one* other game of mafia I've played? Well then, why don't you take a closer look at that game, you might see that I didn't post any serious analysis or votes until like 24 hours into the game. I prefer to wait until there is a good amount of evidence before making any votes or claims. And why does agreeing with you contribute to my scumminess? Are you now suddenly in favor of conversations that side track the game? Or just in favor of lynching people who agree with you about avoiding conversations that side track the thread? I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided. Pandain right now you have 4 posts in this game. You called out Probulous with some vague accusations: On March 01 2012 12:57 Pandain wrote: That took a long time to post. Are you hiding something? Then after both probe and sandroba call you out on this, you've very next post is--not responding to either of these--but rather to come out claiming Probulous is town--without a single shred of evidence or analysis--and claiming that I am scum based on scant evidence. Then post #4, have you addressed probe or sandroba's accusations? Nope. You tell Probe (who again, has not mysteriously become townish) that his vote on AKCoT is bad and that tunneling me is the best bet. Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 02 2012 09:18 Pandain wrote: AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia). Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere. Toast's latest response is more interesting actually.... Contrast this tone with the others. Looks like hes trying hard to make a good point(with italics + bolding and shit). Not only that but while writing this post he researched other players(shown by his accusations of me, saying how I had 4 posts, noting my play). Bolded and italics and shit. Yeah, I never use those. Rock solid analysis. And lol @ the "research part". Wow, I clicked on your filter, crazy hard research. His accusations of me mean that he could either be a trigger-happy townie, or that he's trying to downplay me. I can't determine anything out of that, actually it sort of helps his case. I didn't make any accusations, I made some insinuations but no outright accusations. Again, going back to the last game I played (which you seem to like to reference) you will note I really don't like to make any votes or call out anyone as scum without some good analysis and lots of evidence. This part is quite interesting though: I'm interested what you meant by that, Toast. Why would you defending me lend you any town support? How would you know if I'm town? Are you saying you're not town?? More than anything I was bemused by the fact that you quoted that as evidence against me. Go back to that page, I wasn't arguing that you were town. All I said was that 2 posts weren't enough to support any of Probe's accusations against you. Basically I wanted to prevent a day 1 bandwagoning, and as I have said multiple times now, I prefer to use analysis and evidence before calling anyone out as scum. I was (and still am) completely lost as to how that figured into the rest of your argument about me being too nice and therefore scum. By far though the most compelling and persuasive argument against him is the fact that he accused me, rather certainly in his opinion, that i was "desperately trying to hide something", and that I'm playing scummily. And yet overall, I'm not a good enough vote? Seems a bit of a paradox there. Allow me to quote myself, as you apparently didn't read this the first time: Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; Doesn't mean your not scum. Just means I can't prove it yet. The part about you trying to refocus attention has more to do with the fact that you still haven't responded to probe or sandro's posts against you. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 02 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote: Toast and Pandain and anyone else I might be forgetting, but if I forget you it's because your content has been worthless so far. So take it as an insult please. Lol jerk On March 02 2012 18:41 Palmar wrote: I still think we should be lynching sandroba. His play so far this game has been weird, all he's done is shown up a few times to make some short stubby posts and then disappears again. Seems odd since every tutorial/analysis I've read says lurking is a bad way to play as Mafia. Shouldn't a vet like sandro know this? What does he have to gain as scum by lurking? I've got my money on SK, it makes the most sense. At this point I'm pretty convinced Probulous is town. The whole "spam" thing was rediculous, the list he posted served a purpose it wasn't just fluff. He's also been one of the most active members of this game so far, he's got just about the most posts to go through and there's really nothing that jumps out as specifically scummy. He's so far been pretty even handed with his analysis. I thought his defense against AKCT was pretty good as well: On March 02 2012 06:59 Probulous wrote: Tea, in all your posts you have not been able even once to explain how my actions are mafia driven. You entire case is that I have been saying the right things. How does that make me mafia? You my friend have started with a conclusion and then made your argument based on it. What scumhunting have you done? You sheeped RG's terrible analysis on me and have called me out for providing nothing. See my decon post for my rebuttal to that silly idea. You sir better shape up because right now you are being hypocritical and targeting me with aweful logic, both of those make you scum in my book. He easily points out the flaw in AKCT's bizzare argument, doesn't use any fluff (there are no pointless quotes here, no out of place lists), and all around presents a solid defense of himself. Probe's been a bit inconsistant as to who he is focusing on for Day 1, but overall I don't see anything in any of his posts that should indicate he is anything other than town. Still not sure what the deal is with Pandain, his posts have been sporatic and his analysis wierd, but I still don't think that there is enough to make any kind of a scum call on him yet. But I'm going to be keeping my eyes on him. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 02 2012 19:59 Probulous wrote: Jackal given you said this in Mafia L Would you shoot Sandroba if you had a gun this game. I agree with Palmar that he has been hiding which is scummy as hell. His case on Pandain is insubstantial and he isn't here. I have never played with him but since Jackal has a history of recognising Sandroba's scum, I think your opinion here would be useful. This is interesting. I'm interested to know Jackal's answer to this as well. Pandain has made a number of posts since sandro's accusations but sandro still hasn't shown back up to comment on them. If Palmar is right and Sandro is scum, why isn't Sandro pushing Pandain harder? And where is he? To me his his behavior makes no sense in the context of scum. I'm thinking he's the serial killer. | ||
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TheToast
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You realize you voted for me AFTER sandro voted you, right? So what exactly are you trying to say here? Why are you even quoting this? What's the point here? | ||
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Oh, I missed that. All I saw was sandro switch his vote to me and suddenly Pandain is quoting both of their votes. >.> | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:05 sandroba wrote: Hey toast your explanation of why I can't be scum reeks of extreme bs what can you say about that? Are you trying to discourage me from arguing against you as scum? Sandro, you've got only got 12 posts this game, clearly you've been lurking. You've made only one piss poor attempt at analysis, every other post you have made so far has been a short bit of weird fluff. It's glaringly clear you're not a vanilla townie this game. Idk what you rolled, but SK makes the most sense to me right now. It explains the lurker, and explains the abundance of fluff--even scum would be attempting to steer the game in some direction. If you can come up with something that explains your behavior this game, I'm all ears. | ||
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TheToast
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On March 03 2012 06:07 Pandain wrote: Also anyone who realizes about what Palmar is should note the same for Toast Wait, when did Palmar come into this? You've accused me of being scum, so are you now implying that Palmar is scum too? And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia. My harsh reaction? Really? I don't even have a vote on him, I've just pointed that his posts are weird and lurky, and he could very possibly be the SK. Why is it you call me out for this and not the one person who is actively seeking a lynch on him? Your reasoning is so selective here. On March 03 2012 06:20 Pandain wrote: How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched. So everyone who has declaired anybody as town this game is scum? Pandain, again your powers of absurd selective reasoning are beyond me. Everyone of the reasons you have used against me could be applied to half the people in this game. More rediculously the "core" of your evidence seems to stem from the ONE other full game of mafia I've played. Either you are a terrible town or you are scum trying to drum up a bandwagon. I'm beginning to think it's the latter. | ||
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