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On February 17 2012 10:50 gumshoe wrote: Hi everybody! Im the friendly neighbourhood gum on your shoe! Today I come to you with a plan that'll hopefully shed some light on the certainly vile nature of the scum infesting our sacred house...OF GAMBLING! The plan is a simple anonymous poll asking wether your a townie or a scumie. Now in the case of the townie there is no risk whatsoever in voting townie, on acounta a) you are a townie and b) no one can say otherwise cause your voting anonymously. In fact I very much so ask that you don't say which one your voting for or wether or not your even voting at all. All I ask is that if you're a townie vote townie, or don't vote, please don't troll and say your mafia I REPEAT NO TOWNIES VOTE MAFIA, IT SHALL BE THE END OF US ALL!!!!!! This only works if all the townies voting vote townie so please do so if your a townie. If your mafia feel free to vote as well, in fact the whole purpose of this exercise is to see if you as a group abstain from voting, vote as you please, or all vote townie. This is an experiment to study the mafia and I promise to only do this once, so whata ya say newcomers! Watcha gonna be? I'd just likely to repeat one last time there is ABSOLUTELY no way I or anyone else can ascertain your alignment through this vote, so please give it a shot, it might very well teach us something useful. I loled soo hard reading this. As for me, I played one more game of mafia, but it was the biggest fail human kind has ever witnessed. There were 80 players in it, and it ended with the scum offering a draw, cause the city was that bad, T_T. I was a towny needless to say. Here's the link, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690 I think I'm with jaj on the lurker lynching. Since unless some serious slips happen it's our best bet for scumhunt. | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:25 jaj22 wrote: @Gumshoe: Did you get some RL buddies to spam your own vote, just in case it was accidentally useful? @Steveling: I see you lynched Palmar on your first day. Not the greatest start to a mafia career. Fortunately we don't have any awesome scumhunting veterans in this game. Or mayors. Yeah, that was ...unfortunate, Q_Q. But, I did have the best scumreads based on clues in that game. Well that was all I could do so I spent a lot of time into these. Also in my defense all the towny veterans where cockfighting each other so it was impossible for a newbie to tell who was what. | ||
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On February 17 2012 11:55 gumshoe wrote: I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least! Just an idea, if you want this to work in future games, I think you need to post a clarifying post before the poll-post, something like a preemptive strike, so you get full cooperation from townies and state the purpose. For example, I voted scum on the poll before I even read it just to troll, T_T. | ||
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So, my view on the whole thing is that we should push for a no lynch day 1. The reasoning: We are close to the night, very close actually and we have zero solid cases on anyone. Yes mannerkiss's weird 1 liner is scummy, also both eche and sloosh became defensive too fast and yes there are some lurkers as well. Nothing we can make a strong case on. But chanses are that we are probably gonna misslynch day1 with the current situation. So the way I see it, we either push for a lurker lynch or a no lynch. And with a no lynch we promote more discussion without losing an unlucky towny, more discussion always benefits the town. What do you guys think? | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:25 slOosh wrote: Days are 48 hour cycles. We have at least ~26 hours before lynch deadlines. No go on the no lynch. Mafia get a kill at night and we'll be stuck in day 1 all over again. Ops, I forgot it's 48 hours, Q_Q. No go indeed for the no lynch then. Not now at least. With that said, as I stated before, I consider mannerkiss the best candidate, but it's a bit too early yet. | ||
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On February 18 2012 05:44 gumshoe wrote: Definitley need to take the risk of a lurker lynch, there are three lurkers currently in the game, manner zell and one more I forget, theres a 75 percent chance one of them is mafia. A chance I think we need to take cause were one townie short. You brought up this proposal rather meekly, no authority no anger, I gotta say its a bit suspicius. My current list of people I find suspicious Steveling( too light, doesn't seem stressed at any point isn't very aggressive. Also has suggested a no lynch, terrible option for town in this game because as I said where one short. Manner kiss(could just be a disillusioned player if so hes useless to us) DimmuKlok. You say almost nothing for half a day and then show up suddenly and accuse a) the most obvious seeming runt in the litter (manner kiss) and b) the second most obvious seeming runt in the littler(me) without suggesting anything new whatsoever. The mafia introducing a useless pole and then taking uneccecairy heat is an AWFUL idea, why would any mafia draw attention to themselves in a such a stupid way? A single investigation can easily ascertain wether or not their mafia, its way to risky for scum (im not even sure if it was a good idea for a townie to do... ok it wasn't a good idea for a townie period!)You also post for the first time in a while in relative tangent with Steveling who also hasn't posted in sometime... Both your posts are regarding lynching, one of you saying we should lynch lurkers another saying we shouldn't. Not so sure what i think of you but I definitely don't trust you. Gladius. I'm not gonna vote for you, but you are on my radar, as I am on everyone else's. I'm very confused by you. You mentioned at least 2 times that people should have a reason to suspect you are scum after you defended yourself for dear life all day yesterday. You also accuse people on not accusing you? What? If you are scum your play is brilliant, lol. I'll have an eye on you. I'll check some filters and post something else later. Peace. | ||
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On February 18 2012 06:03 DoYouHas wrote: gumshoe brings up a good point against Steveling when you consolidate gum's posts on him. Steveling initially said that lynching lurkers is our best scumhunting option so long as nobody looks very scummy by the end of the day. But then when he thought the day was ending he decided to push a no-lynch. Please explain. Well, I thought we were 4 hours from night. With our current cases, I just thought that we were gonna lose a towny. | ||
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On February 18 2012 06:15 gumshoe wrote: See again you come off as so cuddly despite the fact Im accusing you ) : it makes me feel bad for suspecting your mafia but that behaviour is why i suspect you in the first place. Well don't know what to say to that. That's generally how I post or talk. lol Imagine I'm the Sheth of Mafia. xP | ||
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On February 18 2012 07:28 jaj22 wrote: I'm going to drag this Steveling lurker-lynch thing up because DYH is busy with his weird Sloosh case: That doesn't make sense. When you lynch lurkers, you naturally have very little idea whether they're town or mafia, because they don't post enough to tell. Lynching lurkers makes more sense the less information you have on active players, hence a lurker lynch would be a relatively strong choice if the day was ending in a couple of hours time. Essentially, you lynch lurkers because your cases suck. Also that vague OMGUS at Gumshoe and your general lack of reads are rather worrying. Make up your mind on the lurker lynch thing and post some reads please. About the lynch-no lynch, I just thought that it would be a better idea in the current circumstances for town. But since I have no clue about statistics, if someone can justify that lynching is better then I'm all for that. I think that's clear. As for the reads, I'm filtering people as we speak. | ||
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On February 16 2012 05:59 gumshoe wrote: Leave this scared place! before your flames of spam leave it a burning hollow. Your precence here will result in a natural massacre so tragic that both town and mafia despite their differences shall find eternal commonality in death, as they are all reduced from happy newbie newbs to smoking newbie corpses! (Kidding, I have a bad relationship with hyperbole.) You can already see from here, before the game even started, the nature of his posting. You have a bad relationship with hyperbole? No shit. Your posts wreak havoc and confusion even in the /in period of the game. On February 18 2012 05:44 gumshoe wrote: The mafia introducing a useless pole and then taking uneccecairy heat is an AWFUL idea, why would any mafia draw attention to themselves in a such a stupid way? A single investigation can easily ascertain wether or not their mafia, its way to risky for scum (im not even sure if it was a good idea for a townie to do... ok it wasn't a good idea for a townie period!) That's WIFOM scum in its best right there. You assume ofcourse that everyone will think exactly that and dismiss their suspicions for you. And it worked actually, only a handfull of players remain cautious towards you. Myself was joking around with it at first glance. Only after I filtered you, I begun to see it for what it's worth. Laborious scum play. On February 18 2012 06:20 gumshoe wrote: Well you'd be an idiot not to at least slightly accuse someone for such a dumb poll ) : Another obvious scum minded WIFOM. You say so yourself that it would be naive for someone not to judge you based on that poll. Yet most of us thought of it as either a joke or bad/naive town play. Have you guessed that would happen? That you would get away with that? Ofc now, I use WIFOM on my part to say that, but here comes your posting to validate me and my reasoning. On February 18 2012 01:19 gumshoe wrote: As of now i really dont get any bad vibes from him,but i didnt really expect to suspect anyone this early in the game, that said gladus first posts explain the odds distribution in the game in a refined but obvius way, his other post was ano obvius but not hostile critique of my poll( the poll was also meant to garner hostile potentialy opotunity seeking mafia responses but his response was just polite and reasonay dismissive) he has not provided ano opinion on lynching lurlers In 2 separate posts you accuse 2 different people of not questioning your poll. The reasons or the purpose you do that is irrelevant. What matters is that the only way you can do that is if you had already assumed that noone would hold you responsible for this poll. Because if they wouldn't, then you would simply be commiting suicide. There's no logical reason to do that whatsoever. So, it's clear that you used WIFOM logic in this poll. Now, although initially you fooled some of the most naive of us(like me) when some other players like Echelon and Midnight, started to doubt you, you gradually changed colors and stance. At first you feel the need to complement yourself, On February 17 2012 11:00 gumshoe wrote: Which this poll is perfect for! after taking more heat you go to (read the bolded parts) On February 17 2012 11:33 gumshoe wrote: Why in tarnations would you think that? Seriously though the purpose of the random ass poll was just to see if the mafia made one big decision or not, unfortunately less that 12 people out of the 15 voted so I cant say that they took any part in this vote, nor can I say that they didn't, what I can tell is that its highly likely that at some point around when town began to treat the poll as the sorta joke it seemed, and all voted the mafia option AGAINST my wishes(as I pretty much predicted), the mafia probably hoped on the happy train of cynicism to discredit the pole and not stand out. So this pole has been somewhat useful in showing that at least two or maybe even all four of the mafia are being active early on. Wether that information is useful or not you can decide for yourself, but you cant blame me for trying ) : next few posts it comes down to On February 17 2012 13:12 gumshoe wrote: T To comment on this whole epic clash of wills between prolific posters, the poll was a goofy plan, I knew that, but if it worked it could have been useful and if it didn't It's illfated nature could provide the perfect platform for a mafia players critique. A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. That said I doubt that Ech would take this huge and obvious of a risk this early on(as he did) if he was maf, we still have tons of time, if Ech backs off we shall know if he's trying to hide after taking so much heat and therefore he's probably worried about an investigation or a lynch. His only route is to keep being an aggressive poster and hopefully dig his way out of the ditch with some phoenix wright quality analysis. I also really don't like Ech's controversial move of casting doubt on a specific player for not yet posting when there are several players still lurking. I don't care if you wanted to draw him out you could've just asked for his opinion on something. to finally go to On February 18 2012 05:44 gumshoe wrote: Definitley need to take the risk of a lurker lynch, there are three lurkers currently in the game, manner zell and one more I forget, theres a 75 percent chance one of them is mafia. A chance I think we need to take cause were one townie short. You brought up this proposal rather meekly, no authority no anger, I gotta say its a bit suspicius. My current list of people I find suspicious Steveling( too light, doesn't seem stressed at any point isn't very aggressive. Also has suggested a no lynch, terrible option for town in this game because as I said where one short. Manner kiss(could just be a disillusioned player if so hes useless to us) DimmuKlok. You say almost nothing for half a day and then show up suddenly and accuse a) the most obvious seeming runt in the litter (manner kiss) and b) the second most obvious seeming runt in the littler(me) without suggesting anything new whatsoever. The mafia introducing a useless pole and then taking uneccecairy heat is an AWFUL idea, why would any mafia draw attention to themselves in a such a stupid way? A single investigation can easily ascertain wether or not their mafia, its way to risky for scum (im not even sure if it was a good idea for a townie to do... ok it wasn't a good idea for a townie period!)You also post for the first time in a while in relative tangent with Steveling who also hasn't posted in sometime... Both your posts are regarding lynching, one of you saying we should lynch lurkers another saying we shouldn't. Not so sure what i think of you but I definitely don't trust you. Gladius. I'm not gonna vote for you, but you are on my radar, as I am on everyone else's. So as we all see, you try to tone down the polls meaning as more and more people are on to you. To top if all off you admitted that you lied! On February 18 2012 02:18 gumshoe wrote: I thought this was the liar game!( manga reference for the win!) I know it wasn't right to admit I lied, if i lie its better to just stick with it considering you didn't really have any proof that i didn't vote townie just your word, and i could just say I voted late by accident , the reason the told the truth is because I felt that I had to own up the big blunder I caused. I felt that by clearing it all up I could help us move on from this discussion. How in the name of earth am I the first to make a case against you is beyond me. You basically yelled "IM SCUM SUCKERS", while using that dubious poll to shift the blame to others and wifoming yourself out from the poll's sticky situation. Lets look now at how you approached those who accused you based on the poll. People that as you said in your own words On February 17 2012 13:12 gumshoe wrote: A mafia player wants to seem useful while not actually being so, attacking something that seems blatantly useless is a perfect way for a mafia to look like he's contributing while not actually doing so. So you had every reason to push a case against the two of them. Lets see how you handled it. There were 2 of these players. MidnightGladius and Echellon. Your last response towards Midnight was On February 18 2012 05:44 gumshoe wrote: Gladius. I'm not gonna vote for you, but you are on my radar, as I am on everyone else's. Your previous one was this,(bolded) On February 18 2012 05:18 gumshoe wrote: I agree with you Gladius, on all accounts, but my problem with all your suggestions is their so easy. Need to put pressure on someone? Look to the guy who messed up at the start of the game. Should we or shouldn't we lynch? Of course we should! It'd be foolish not too. Who do we lynch? how about the guy everyone hates and has not contributed whatsoever? As suspicious as I am of manner he could very well be just a disillusioned townie who really doesn't want to play a game in which he has no power, which is mega unlikely but still possible. As chaotic as my play is yours seems almost too by the book. You almost seem like a Damon Gant just waiting to burst out in a fit of demonic fire/lightning and ferocious claps! So, after OMGUS him with that last sentence, then for no reason at all you back off of him. And all that after prophesying that those who pursue you will be mafia. Why was what? If you did plan to not pressure him at all, then why the OMGUS stance? Sense? Zero. The other guy who accused you was Echellon. This was your last dialog with him concerning the matter, On February 17 2012 11:55 gumshoe wrote: I apologize as well. This was just a random shot to start off the night, I mean theres really nothing to discuss until something happens and it beats just randomly accusing people, but ill try not to do something like this again... for this game at least! Really? You apologize? How cute. You will notice how that WIFOM poll plot is activated again on this quote as well. "Don't try to accuse me cause I know that you wouldn't be so stupid to do so!" Your play is scum 100% gomshoe. You post in quantity but not in quality. You lie. You so admit it yourself. You make obvious WIFOM play. In fact your play is so weird that even in the off chance that you are a dazed towny it's still better to kill you off now. 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On February 18 2012 12:23 gumshoe wrote: Theres a similar trend between you and glados, you both want to portray me as mafia but are equally willing to kill me if I'm a townie because I seem like a risk. If you just said I was mafia, that would be a case, instead your trying to say that killing a bad player( in a newbie game) is just as good as killing scum. Regardless of my crazy posting if I am a townie I will vote and build a case against the player I find the most logically suspicious(glados right now) , i will not openly accuse someone at random just to spark discussion , rather I'll let them come to me by setting myself up as the trap. If you think I am mafia and you are a townie, vote for me, but if I flip green don't you dare think that it was still a good decision to lynch a townie who was actively posting(albiet somewhat chaotically) and answering questions as best he could. It's never a good idea to lynch a townie instead of scum especially not in a game where a miss lynch costs more than usual, if you think I'm an awful townie just ignore me, but don't convince yourself that I'm more of a threat then the people WHO WANT TO KILL YOU! Now on to you! Up until just a few posts ago you were still dealing with the fallout of a dumb suggestion. You asked for a no lynch... and then blamed your bad decision on inexperience. Thats a bit fishy to me, especially when the discussion TO lynch has already been had at length, so your inexperienced and unobservant. So after such a silly suggestion that you admitted was silly(remind you of someone and some poll? I spy some hypocrisy!) you decide to post some unique analysis on several players you've analyzed at length right? Nope! You accuse me! The go to guy for everyone who wants an easy contribution! I didn't blame my no-lynch-cause-only-4-hour-left fail to inexperience. Where did you see that? Pls quote it. It was just a mistake on my part. That's even more lies coming out from you. You say that you are the go to person to blame and you leave it at that. Yes you are the person that seems more suspicious to me? So? You are not posting any arguments. You just whine that we accuse you. The other axis on your ''defense'' is that I don't seem to interested at least at the moment on anyone else. Dude I made a case on you, you either couter argument or not, you can't say " That's not fair, pls blame someone else too". For yet another time you don't make sense. Fyi I did check all filters. The less solid for obvious reason was yours. With more discussion I'll form more opinions. And tbh I didn't read your wall of text either. I almost had a seizure first time I saw it,xD, pls learn how to format it in an appropriate way. Pm me if you want. | ||
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Tell me if I made a logical leap or something. Meanwhile I'll read your cases, cause I was too busy with mine ,lol. | ||
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Gomshoe you are actively throwing away your chance to absolve yourself at least in my eyes. Read my 2 posts about you and anwer pls. | ||
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On February 18 2012 13:35 gumshoe wrote: Im voting for dim because he decided to change his policy on no lynching around the same time Steveling proposed a no lynch. So if he turned up mafia that might be useful. Boy you are on fire, aren't you? Dimuks stance on lynching was the exact opposite from mine. I went from pro to against and he went from against to pro. With each post you make, I'm getting more and more confident about killing you, lol. | ||
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He doesn't give me the vibe of scum and here's my reasoning. He posted some stuff about the format and statistics. Ok, I don't care, but doens't hurt anyway. He made a jump on gomshoe, which is totally valid btw. I can't get how many of you think that he's posting bad yet you are strongly convinced that he's town. Whatever. He made a premature maybe jump, on MannerKiss, accusing him of lurking while we had a ton of other lurkers. That's the only weird thing that I read, but there are many more who made some quick forced claims just to promote discussion. So, I can't say if his fixation on MannerKiss is ill purposed or otherwise. Lastly he made a case on Echellon, which I think is weak and OMGSUM. But Echellon kinda threw a bomb in here and then left, voting Midnight with just a one liner. So I can't really blame Midnight on that. Before I make a more clear case on Midnight I need some valid reasoning from both Echellon and jaj22 on Midnight(whos case was also very weak). | ||
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