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On January 31 2012 18:05 Toadesstern wrote: oh and I'm going to use wbg as a random vote everytime I'm unsure who to vote for :p bring it on, Pimmelzwerg | ||
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On February 06 2012 15:58 Katina wrote: As Bill Murray said, I merely bring forth statements of factual information. whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash? | ||
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ily all much love got quantum now byebye | ||
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On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: mh I can't find something that's standing out in dr h's filter. He does talk a lot about batman and isn't really talking about anything else. That's obviously very easy for mafia to do and he could easily look towny / not lurky doing so without posting "wrong" things. But we got that a lot right now. He's a null for me right now. Please tell me how this makes sense: "I see nothing in Dr. H's filter" "except this one thing that he said town shouldn't do but he does anyway and scum would definitely do" "but that's nothing cause we have a lot of it so he's null" da fak On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now. I can't help it (I can't even explain it) but I just don't get the same "stubborn" read on palmar that I had on him last game but that might as well be him getting used to this situation and therefore he might not be as emotional as last few games. So the person you want to lynch at last resort you give reasoning for, but you give 0 reason to lynch CC or layabout, who you would "much rather" see lynched? Once again, da fak? On February 07 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: Needledickthebugfucker (yeah totally going to use that one Jackal :p ), why are you requesting me to do analyses? I thought you think I'm useless not to begin with the fact that you haven't done shit yourself? I asked because opinions about people I currently am forming reads about are useful in actually finding scum. Such as, for example, you. You are proving so for to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. Why else would you flop around and then basically as me why I'm pressuring you? Your responses so far have been utter bullshit. ##vote Toadesstern gonna read what I missed now, be back soon. | ||
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You are proving so far to not only be useless, but in a manner that is consistent with a scum who does not have opinions and is struggling to find them under pressure. | ||
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rgTheScum On February 07 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Before proceeding, I have encountered Kenpachi in Mafia L. He did not claim townie at the start. This is wrong. Can't tell if it's a lie or just straight up retardedness, but this is plain wrong. On January 14 2012 07:22 Kenpachi wrote: game started: a million pages. hi guys im Kenpachi and im a townie 4 rela http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=39#769 On February 06 2012 22:51 -_-Quails wrote: Did you read the rest of that post? For your benefit: Explicit reasons: Objective: rgTheSchworz recycled an argument in order to attack KenPatchi. This is not a pro-town thing to do. Subjective: rgTheSchworz reacted to the vanilla claim in a way that raised my hackles, as did Sheth but Sheth used his own reasoning rather than recycling and so is less suspicious. Objective: That quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia Please explain what you're meaning about quote. player A knows -> mafia knows -> player A is mafia. [/quote] I did not recycle any Sheth opinions, except from the fact that I think that VT claiming is bad. I provided my own arguments in that as blue it would make no sense, he sticks out and if he's scum he has a high chance of being the GF, thus the utility of the claim. Plus, he knows his own meta well, so why not do this?. He'll be overlooked, then DT's will perhaps check him if they read the thread closely. You think that claiming VT is bad. Explain how claiming VT is indicative of alignment (more specifically, indicative of being scum?) I like how you are heavily casting suspicion on Kenpachi but at no point do you actually say that claiming VT is scummy, you call it "bad" and then claim that if he's gf it's somehow advantageous for him to claim vt. if he was GF why would he bring attention to himself day 1 by claiming? You can actually construct any sort of conclusion you want from the information you're using. The fact that you're selectively only choosing the scum possibility is indicative of a stretched argument. You're stretching hard to try and say kenpachi is scum when your only reasoning is that he claimed VT. Now, you Mr, you first stealthvote, to bolster a wagon. Definitively not random, and not on a lurker. That smells red. Then you basically sheep after CC, who said what you state ages before you. You give Objective/Subjective sides, yet they differ in 1, 1 single statement: Schworz reacted in a way that raised my hackles. USELESS You are trying to hide, you are trying to look like you contribute without doing so. You, sir are Scum this is irony in its true form. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: WHAAAAAAT??. No contradiction buddy, Lemme explain better: He claims green. This is sub-sub-optimal blue play, as it puts him into spotlight too early and is basically useless. He could as well stay hidden. What? Your "let me explain better" is still just regurgitated trash. How is an auto-green claim on day 1 suboptimal for a blue? Or a green? Or anyone for that matter? You never say how Kenpachi auto-claiming green is in any way indicative of his alignment. Literally anyone can do what he does How does that make what he did good or bad, regardless of alignment or role? Most importantly, how does it make him likely to be scum? On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: So, either he's green or scum- at least that's what I think WOW that's insightful. He's either green or scum guys! On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Either way, scum know his role. They know that he's not lying about being green or they know he's scum and perhaps the GF himself. Why else claim green? What in the fuck? If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. jesus. To all of us, it's not alignment/role indicative. He could be anything, yet you think he's scum just because you wouldn't do what he did. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Either way, Town has to lose from his claim. Really? You keep fear mongering with this shit, but at no point do you explain. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote:I'm not advocating a straight-away lynch, we still have time to debate. You're not advocating his immediate lynch because: 1. you're scum 2. you already know his alignment because of #1 and 3. because of 1 and 2, you're scared shitless to actually push what you know is a terrible case to fruition because you will receive suspicion if kenpachi is lynched. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: But a first vote is completely justified, it will certainly make scum take a stance instead of sitting around while you lazy-asses talk about Batman I have yet to see this justification. On February 06 2012 17:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: Batman doesn't help town. He has to kill ONE scum only. Why would he scumhunt once the Joker is dead? He won't. He'll sit back, trying to apear moderately town, while he's DT-ing ppl who look scummy. Then he'll kill Hugo once he finds him. He won't scumhunt. He'll manhunt Didn't you JUST say we're wasting time discussing batman? On February 06 2012 17:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Scum know that he's not lying . We can't know that. It's a random vote. Random votes don't help scum. They help us get info from reactions to that random vote I can't possibly know at this stage if Kenpachi is scum, but I voted him to get things going. you didn't "randomly" vote kenpachi at all. You voted kenpachi because he was an easy vote based on him claiming town. You know that if you receive pressure for voting kenpachi you can claim it was just pressure and then change your vote with no real consequence later because "it wasn't serious; it was random" So then why bother to try and call kenpachi scum if your vote is random? Your vote wasn't random at all. It was poorly calculated, sure, but you thought you could get away with it. On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: . Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : Kenpachi Also ##Unvote Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post This is the post that made me LOL really hard. So, you continue with the "it was a random vote lul" shit and then put a FoS on kenpachi after voting him, then unvote him in the same post (the fuck?). You say your own vote was random, contrary to what other people believe...has anyone else actually even said anything about it yet? And lastly, you say your point was to stop people from discussing setup talking. Really? So you admit it wasn't to catch scum? You have no vested interest in catching scum. Stopping setup talk is not a priority unless you are actively pushing the discussion in a direction that favors scumhunting. Instead, you're just trying to look town by saying "we need to stop talking about batman" after other people have already said it 100 times. At no point do you actually scumhunt, despite at first pretending like you were scumhunting. The funniest part about all of this is that you actually pretended to scumhunt at first, and then as it was clear that some people were saying "stop talking about batman/the setup" you jump on that wagon and claim your vote was "random" and its sole purpose was to stop 'needless setup discussion." rg needs to die. READ HIS POSTS PEOPLE. ##unvote ##vote rgTheSchworz Additionally: On February 07 2012 11:17 Radfield wrote: Bugs, I thought you wanted to talk about DocH(who looks fine and is certainly not on the table for today) and katina. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: yo pimmelz when i get out og class i better see some thoughts on dr h and katina kk? ily all much love got quantum now byebye What did you honestly expect people to write about katina? __ I somewhat agree on Toad, he is tickling my senses. I disagree with you, but I operate on a need-to-know basis when it comes to scumhunting. Let me put it this way: If I told you what I expect to hear from people regarding questions I ask about players (about, for example, Dr. H or Katina, or Toad), wouldn't that defeat the purpose of asking them in the first place? I'd just be seeding the thread with my own thoughts and then other players, particularly good scum (and bad townies) would just end up feeding me what I want to hear based on what I've already said. That's why, for now, I just want to hear thoughts on those players. The exception for now is rg, because I have absolutely no problem about killing him. | ||
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On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: Let's all claim green btw, to see if it helps town.Shall we? Let's follow the logic train here... imagine everyone claims VT. Does that indicate anything about anyone's alignment? Now, knowing that, why again are you using the fact that kenpachi claimed green to call him scum? (oh but you backed off...hmmm) On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: I think you understand quite clearly what I meant, but are so stubborn/stupid not to reconize. Look, ppl are still talking Setup/Strat, things on which you cannot accuse anyone, because bad plans may just as well be bad townies' brainchildren. And bad townies abund, WBG you are one of them. So you know these people are bad townies already? On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: Repeat, for the last damn time: Voting kenpachi was a Random vote/Pressure Vote-For just claiming townie D1, I cannot hope to reasonably accuse someone. Because you can't scumhunt day 1? You don't even seem to want to try to scumhunt. I also addressed why you calling the kenpachi vote a "random vote" is a copout of responsibility. On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: So why keep my vote on Kenpachi? He's responded, some say in his trademark fashion, I have thrown my ideas around, but it seems Kenpachi's meta looks just like that. How could I miss a pg39 post of 2 lines in a Mafia L thread that had 160+ pages?Seriously, how could I? By posting like I did, I hoped to attract some attention, maybe some votes on me.But what I did not expect was no lynch candidate after 24+ hours, and now I am myself a lynch candidate. So, you expected some votes, but some votes make you a lynch candidate? You're not making any sense. If you expected to receive votes, that means you knew you'd appear scummy. Why the fuck as town would you plan on looking scummy? Again you make no sense. You received a few votes, apparently as you expected. If it wouldn't have made you a lynch candidate in your imagination, how does the current reality make you a lynch candidate? It's either one or the other, it can't be both, and you certainly aren't helping yourself or anyone else if you're town and you think you can't scumhunt day 1. If Kenpachi is scum how do they know his role? He could be really a green. He could really be a blue. HIS CLAIM SAYS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT HE IS. This bit shows your stupidity or that you joined my wagon in a hurry. If Kenpachi is scum, scum obv know who is scum.[/quote] rofl. Once again, how does kenpachi claiming green tell scum what his role is? On February 07 2012 15:42 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'll not defend myself further.Waste of time. If, at the end of D1, they're still votes piling on me, I'll straight out claim. lol. so you're just gonna keep derping instead? If you're town, why don't you actually do something instead of being emo? At this point, though, I actually doubt you're town. You don't defend yourself and you don't scumhunt either (you straight up said you expect us to lynch a townie day 1.) If you're actually town and you come in expecting to lynch a townie, you need to shape up and reevaluate your play right the hell now, since you're just bringing us all down if you're going to go down without actually doing anything. | ||
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On February 07 2012 17:29 risk.nuke wrote: Been occupied with a real life stuff, my parents are getting divorced. In addition I have an exam tomorrow. I'll be reading the thread but expect low activity, I'll only comment if I need too. Tomorrow when my exam is done with I'm going to find some scum and rock this city. sorry to hear that man, I went through that when I was 10 and it was a rough time. Good luck on your exams and keep your spirits high! | ||
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On my first skim of what I missed I caught these posts specifically: On February 08 2012 05:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: 6 votes was the Largest wagon 6 or so h before lynchtime. If scum were going to hop on it, I would be d On February 08 2012 04:29 rgTheSchworz wrote: Due to the huge amount on votes on me I have decided I'll probably claim after I am done eating. Well done, bad townies and scum. You have driven me nuts with your pointless accusations. If it will get me lynched at least you'll have more info than is available and can be obtained through the people you want dead now. On February 08 2012 05:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Not Random anymore. I sense that I am about to be lynched, if not today maybe tomorrow. Also the atmosphere is turnin mafia-favored rapidly. Votes flying left and right, dispersed votes makin it easy for scum to lynch town today. Due to that, I am claiming: I am a Detective .Unless people insist that I claim my name, I won't do it due to obvious reasons : I may or may not be Catwoman's target. I have not had the chance to investigate yet. I will probably be roleblocked.untill we can find the roleblocker. On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie On February 08 2012 02:47 Bill Murray wrote: I am not quite sure what I can claim and not be modkilled I dont want to be modkilled and not help the town Im not claiming 3rd party, im a town PR On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote: a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town On February 08 2012 04:57 Bill Murray wrote: I want everyone to answer these: 1) How were you introduced to mafia? 2) How would you describe your playstyle? 3) Are you better as mafia, or town? RVS is overrated. I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire. As such, I will initiate that: I'll go first. 1) I first started here, on Teamliquid 2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas 3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role. @adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse) wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game? I want thoughts as of right now on these posts and these two players. Also layabout, stop posting your goddamn reads on every player. When you post stuff on every player in the game (like that chart) you are bound to get manipulated It's why a lot of vets say don't seed the thread with your town reads; what's it going to accomplish? If they're actually scum they'll be delighted to be called town, and if they're town then scum will kill them because too many people think they're town. It's lose-lose for town, and it's why we play on a need-to-know basis. Throwing all your reads into the game willie nillie is going to allow scum to jump into your head and then mindfuck you by reversing all your reads. Kurumi: what do you want? | ||
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On February 08 2012 08:41 Tyrran wrote: This is just plain bad. Why would you sacrifice 3 blue role ( one to Batman and 2 to catwoman) just to get rid of the 3rd party, not even to get rid of real scum. Just of the chance they shoot and do not DT ? On day 1 ? Why should they shoot randomly early ? Why ? How do shooting early help them satisfy their win condition ? It doesnt. That is just 100% scum play to get rid of town blues, how do you not realize this. This plus the fact that I got no gut feeling on sheth means you get my vote. ##Vote Cyber_cheese where the fuck did you come from? | ||
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On February 08 2012 08:37 layabout wrote: thinks CC is mafia didn't look into CC much ... ding ding ding we have a winnar From what I could tell Kurumi hasn't been trolling.Which is strange; probably means he's scum. | ||
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I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible. Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks. Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased. I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly? ##unvote ##vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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I actually can't reconcile whether you're just trolling me or scum, since some things you've said have made like 0 sense. Particularly, your stances on cyber cheese and layabout. On February 08 2012 10:39 Kurumi wrote: Go Sheth. WBG is soft-defending him like he isn't. Also, meta. WBG is a lot more aggressive as town, a little as mafia but. He's REALLY active, like, being always on. I'm defending Sheth because I don't think a mafia member would receive so many votes so fast with no defense at all from anyone. IMO, scum are pushing this lynch. Can you name one person (other than me) who has proclaimed a disapproval of the Sheth lynch? There's too many people on it too fast. You claim I'm bandwagoning, yet you completely ignore the half dozen or so people who bandwagoned Sheth. Look at Sheth's filter from Responsibility: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=62163¤tpage=2 For the first day or two Sheth literally does nothing. He apologizes a bit and the ramps up his activity later in the game (at a point after everyone else was completely inactive as well) He received lynch attention from scum, kita. I remember because he was on my team and I recall kita and L both found sheth to be an easy push because he was the newest town player in that game (his only game as town, in fact.) I recall a short discussion in IRC and this post by kita in that game: Well that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear a real case on someone from you GM. Are you sure you're not just trying to match your town meta by accusing me? -_- I've been bringing up Sheth because he is the newest player and most likely to slip up from a random accusation. Go back in my history and I do this nearly every time. You accuse me of voting for someone who no one else is voting for, yet the vote was placed at the beginning of the day. Of course there wouldn't be any votes on him. That doesn't mean that is where my vote is going to stick by the end of the day. Yes, I've been prodding lurkers, but that's because its the people I find suspicious currently. I expect a lot more out of guys like Foolishness, BC and yourself. As for the LSB lynch, I have to go back and read through the thread again. I'll comment once I'm done. Kita straight up admitted (even in thread) that the reason he was pushing sheth was because sheth was new and likely to slip up. This is similar to what has happened here, except people are bandwagoning him a lotmore than they did in Responsibility, because people in this game, on average, are a lot more retarded than the stacked list of names in Responsibility. The simple fact is, right now I believe that Sheth is being pushed by mafia as an easy lynch. I strongly believe we should be getting the fuck off that train and focusing our efforts on other players. As for the 'also, meta' part : what part of my play is consistent with scum meta? How am I bandwagoning? How is bandwagoning part of my scum meta? (correct answers: I'm not and it isn't) How does my inactivity make me scum and how is it part of my scum meta? (correct answers: it doesn't and it isn't) How is "lack of aggressiveness" part of my scum meta? (correct answer: it isn't) I've already explained my lack of activity; I've started school again and I'm more busy this semester, I've been having keyboard issues (so I don't post at school anymore) and my "lack of aggression" is just because I've been working on being less abrasive. Granted, it still comes through sometimes because I can't help but call people retarded when they just straight up do stupid shit. On February 08 2012 10:36 Kurumi wrote: The funny thing is he thinks You're bad and ignored Your posts and said Your posts have nothing of substance without backing it up, then soft-defends Sheth calling him New Town for no reason, because a) Sheth played a lot of RL mafia b) Then, he is not new to the concept of mafia wait this might be a breakthrough I might vote Sheth. Yes, I ignored his posts just like I did in steamship. Guess what? CC was scum in that game and I was a retard for ignoring his posts just because they were bad. Same thing happened in PYP:I until we infiltrated his team and I shot his ass. You accuse me of calling CC bad and scum based on nothing but that's all you've done all game. You're calling me scum based on nothing, you're calling layabout scum based on nothing, and you're accusing me of being scum and saying sheth is a good lynch based on me "soft defending him" when in reality you're doing the exact same thing with cyber_cheese. Sheth has played one game on TL as town. How is playing RL mafia in anyway indicative of the kind of play that's necessary to build up experience as town in this game? On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote: I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason "He looks bad town so he must be scum" This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning. So far, you've just been playing bad. However, this post actually makes me think you might be scum. To everyone else, this is why: Kurumi for a while has just been calling me scum for no reason and then later says it's meta (with no real explanation other than activity and lack of aggression; both of which are inaccurate on meta grounds and not even constructed properly to begin with) then, he accuses me of trying to lynch CC for being bad and soft-defending Sheth. And he says this is a bad argument and that I must die. If you think I'm scum, Kurumi, why is it that at no point have you voted me? Why is it that you haven't built a case? You just constantly seed doubt. It's like you're trying to undermine me. This is actually the thing that I find scummy about Kurumi, but since he's generally this useless I have no idea what to think of it atm. Also barring some crazy vote switch Kurumi has no chance of being lynched today, so I'll have to leave it till tomorrow. Basically, what's scummy here is that Kurumi constantly seeds the thread with the idea that I'm scum but doesn't strongly back it up. Most tellingly, he doesn't back it up with a vote. This suggests to me he's just trying to make me look bad and doesn't actually believe I'm scum, which would imply he is scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. this is all false. My case on Toad was based on the fact that he had no opinions, not that he saw nothing wrong with Dr. H. At no point did I actually legitimately find Dr. H to be scummy, I just used that question as bait. How does changing my mind make me scum? Finally and most importantly: If I am your strongest scum read,why the fuck is your vote on sheth? | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote: Im on a party , voting cyber cheese . On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote: I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote: I think that neither Sheth or C_C are mafia. On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote: I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason "He looks bad town so he must be scum" This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning. On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. fuck it, the double standards are way too much for Kurumi to be town. 1. says he's voting CC 2. 4 hours later says he didn't look into CC, would vote me if it mattered but it doesn't (wtf? so he knows a case on me would never fly?) 3. says neither sheth nor cc are mafia 4. tells people to vote sheth just because I defend him (yeah, that's a great reason to vote someone) Oh btw Kurumi, here's a shitty meta argument for you being scum: you're not trolling ##unvote ##vote Kurumi | ||
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