Purgatory Mafia

On December 31 2011 08:01 layabout wrote:

shouldn't we take advantage of the open set-up by discussing it?
Besides everyone will either be town or pretending to be town once the game starts, and seeing as 12/18 players are town, surely it would benefit the majority to start discussion early.

On January 04 2012 20:07 syllogism wrote:
Due to the fact the players who are sent to purgatory is publicly announced and the fact the same angel role(s) perform night kills every night, it appears optimal to use the power with a focus on the role blocking aspect of it. On night 1 however the channeler and the demonic courier (yes, this is in your best interest) should target players who are highly likely to be killed without protection if they are town/demon. Even if they appear scummy, role blocking at least two out of the three angel roles is beneficial and even if the target is a demon, it's possible that they chose him to perform corruption (this is unlikely however on n1 due to obvious reasons). You can stray from this plan if there is a highly suspicious player as just the fact that this is the starting point should deter angels from hitting with impunity.

On December 29 2011 22:23 Palmar wrote:
yo

##Signup

If I get the angel with a wraithcannon, I'll make syllo disappear n1. that's a promise.

On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now

On January 06 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:
. Tyrran you have shown that you can be useful, do you intend to post anything at all today?

On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote:
Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable.

On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.

On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24.

I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him.

On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch.

Tyrran
Tyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now.

His steamship filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176
His filter so far this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176

##Vote: Tyrran

On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Tyrran:

He started out the game with very general advice. This seems weird, but it might be due to the mini games, in which I've seen new players do that to each other. Still something to note though, as scum like to use it to look like they're contributing.

Compared to steamship that you linked, he is much more careful and timid in this game. In steamship, just reading through his early posts, he didn't seem scared to call people out and ask direct questions. In that game, he was vanilla, however, so there could be something to do with the set-up contributing to his timidness (less likely because he talks about the set-up in this game), or he's some kind of power role.

Verdict: Scummy. Not as direct as his last game, and timid. However, I'm willing to give him slightly more time to see if he starts to contribute. Might be a good vig shot night 2.

Does anyone have a game in which Tyrran rolled scum that I can read?

@Tyrran, what do you think of the accusations against you? Who do you want to lynch?

On January 07 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote:
blablablabla

On January 08 2012 08:15 risk.nuke wrote:
layabout is probably a townie, Question Palmar and Dirkzor, Erandorr and Jackal are red. Banish syllo/wiggles tonight, see you.

On January 08 2012 23:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright so I said I had a plan and I aim to flesh it out. I will like to section this into three areas, Intro, Mechanics, and Discussion. I feel that is the most direct and simplest way in which to understand this plan. All criticisms are welcome, but I am sure I have thought of most concerns and justified them somehow.

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Mechanics

This is the part that takes more to understand and was a lot more effort to think around (hopefully) all the possibilities. One of the biggest is obviously the Angelic Acolyte who gets an extra KP if he correctly guesses townie with dark powers, corrupted townie, or Demon when performing his stalk action. This only really affects a minority of townies, namely our blues and those minority who become corrupted. I think we can counter this by using banish amongst the claimed blues as a form of protection, and at the same time the Demon's will be given incentive to also use their transport as a form of protection and a dual threat. Firstly, it increases the chance of blocking an Angel KP which the Demons want to do, secondly it takes a blue power out of action for the night. This is fine because it still maintains our voting power in the day time. This causes there to only be a 50% success rate of the angels target into the blue circle. At the same time if the demons wish to corrupt a blue and jack their vote, they have a 66% chance of not hitting a jailor block.

At the same time regular townies can be corrupted and they should claim. The longer the game draws out for the angels the more they NEED to kill corrupted townies/demons before the lynch against them is completely controlled. We can further increase this problem by having several people claim corrupt every day so the Angels can't be sure if they are going to use their extra KP effectively. The more dire the corrupted situation becomes the less they can focus on blues, and that gives us more confirmed townies with less players alive, further shrinking the town player pool narrowing down the angel/demons in the townie section of the group.

On January 09 2012 07:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Once again, issues arise from illiteracy. As I said earlier, the blue roles NEVER claim their role, just their color. This prevents effective use of banishment/Transport and turns it into just a guessing game. The angels need to kill a confirmed voting black because they can't let four confirmed fucking townies sit around all game and hope for the best.

Point two, demons won't know who the demon hunter is to properly banish him on top of which as stated earlier, he acts as a permanent town aligned voting block. The goal of the demons is to eventually control the vote, and that's how they win. They have no KP. The angels need to prevent a solid voting block from forming. I don't know what about this comes off as that complex.

The scum teams get huge information regardless. They KNOW who they kill, this way we also know who they kill. This comes back to the annihilate mechanic. We open ourselves up to fakeclaims by not mass claiming before fake claims are possible. I don't think you get how a no flip mechanic works in this game, or in any game. When the mafia knows the information and we don't, we are at a disadvantage. When the Mafia can't fake claim, the town is at an advantage. When we confirm players as absolutely innocent, guess what? We win again. After today the mafia can safely fake claim and nothing is confirmable, my plan preempts this issue.

On January 09 2012 12:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.

On January 09 2012 20:37 Dirkzor wrote:
Actually:

##Vote Cwave

Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me).

On January 05 2012 23:52 Cwave wrote:
For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to?

On January 06 2012 00:03 Cwave wrote:
Posted earlier that i believe that he leans to much towards the Angel/Demon question and tries to steer away from Angels being our only threath. I think that goes without saying so it's just fluff to look like contributing by him. That and the focus on when it becomes night. Got told by Palmar that means nothing but i don't agree with that!

Got any cases yourself yet Syllo which are worth sharing?

On January 06 2012 20:11 Cwave wrote:


Why do you care what he thinks about your scumreads?
Since you haven't provided any or anything close to it, you make it hard for someone to care for something that isn't there (yet).
Just " Im gonna lynch Wiggles if he doesnt post more" and "Im gonna lynch Errandor if he doesnt post more".

However, I still do care about who you think is scum. Who do you think is scum?

On January 10 2012 03:34 Cwave wrote:


Day1 started timidly but in the end picked up speed and because of it, we all gained a lot of (spammy)info. Mostely useless but the vote switch at the end and Palmar flipping demon the game really started now.

There is more info hidden among the players here as the Sage and Seer have either confirmed/unconfirmed Angels/Demons and the town demon hunter knows if he was succesfull or not and in what way.

As for lynching, Dirkzor for now because is either nooby/scummy and votes for me because i question him. Not set in stone as lynching someone on a bad response after a little pressure most of the time flips a townie.

Risk.nuke on my list cause of the lynch save last day in the final hour.
Very suspicious of Syllo but he has earned some close watching by everyone. in my opinion. More so due to the dance he did with palmar and the vote switch 8 min apart both to the same target after having targeted eachother.

On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:
Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?



This post is really bad from him, wrong on so many aspect. I bolded the that is the most suspicious to me.
I think that in most cases calling someone out is a good think. It reminds townie that they should contribute more, and it puts pressure on scum people, which can only help town confirming that they are red. More often than not, it is pro-town to call people out. Risk claims to have only played as town so far, but doesnt know this ?

Also, why would he hide what he wanted to do ? A townie ( especially a VT as he claims to be) should not be hiding his plan. Either it is pro-town and he should share it, or it is not and he should forget about it. I dont think forcing someone to reveal what he wants to do is a bad thing.

This is really scummy from him.



So i'm new to TL mafia, but I am divided with Meta based argument. Meta is a great way to catch veteran, but using meta to catch player who only have played a few game. Now i dont know how many games risk.nuke has played, but i recall HoD mentioning that risk already was mislynched because of the same kind arument, which explains why he do not like them. At least he is consistent.

On January 10 2012 21:14 Cwave wrote:


Is there any other form of contribution other then PRO-town?

On January 10 2012 21:39 syllogism wrote:
Risk I've asked you twice to give me your opinion on Tyrran. You just have to convince me that he is a better lynch than you and perhaps I will push for his lynch instead! Why aren't you cooperating? You haven't posted any content since people became suspicious of you.

Cwave: I asked you a question. You are clearly reading the thread but apparently refusing to answer. Please do.

Tyrran: Oh look, you find him scummy but hope a better lynch magically materializes so you don't have to vote for him. You certainly aren't scum hunting. Let me guess, you would rather lynch RoL?