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My first thoughts on the setup; Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact. | ||
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Why is everyone tunneling the lurkish newbie? He is sooooo likely to flip town instead of scum. Just look at Election Mafia, and XLVIII. In almost every case, the lurking newbie simply turns out to be just that, a newbie, which explains his low-posting. We definitely do not want to be wasting a lynch on him. it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. This is never a good idea. Even a town who is completely non-contributing serves as an extra KP before LYLO, and for most newbie towns, they will be sheeping the case which most people are already on, in effect letting town have an extra vote. We should never ever ever kill town "because he's useless at it". I'm not sure what you're going on about having a solid case. How does one make a solid case on someone who has 3 posts and told us they're going afk for a bit on the very first day of the game? For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. | ||
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Honestly though, was at a friends birthday party, just got home, about to sleep. Syllo, and others, I don't see how showing angels were a bigger threat than demons would paint me as anti-town. Keep in mind that the context of the post when it was made; all of us were discussing the setup (mainly because it was start of day 1 and it served as a topic of discussion.) Obviously the point about us not being able to tell who was demon/angel makes the whole discussion basically practically useless, but it provided a topic for us to start talking about the game (if you want useless posts, see palmars kite claim) With that said, I'll be reading through the thread tomorrow and posting who I think are suspicious. Right now at least my previous suspicion of Palmar has been assuaged at him posting and being his usual bullying town self. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:23 Blazinghand wrote: :/ it's not my responsability to make you do the right thing. At some point you will make a post with more than 2 lines, and when that day comes, the heavens shall be rent asunder in agony and anguish unlike any ever known before. You claim "everyone" is tunneling the lurkish newbie, but I don't see anyone tunneling bluelightz. Like, I think that question is just... false. I have vigorously questioned him and voted him, but I don't think anyone else has done anything remotely like tunneling him. Who are you quoting here? Cause I don't know who you're quoting. It looks like you might be quoting me but man would it kill you to say who you're quoting? In any case, Bluelightz is still being terrible. Hopefully he'll pick up the pace presently. My goal isn't to kill him unless he's scum. However, his current posting habits are entirely unacceptable. I will not stand for this, I will not sit for it. Not on a plane or on a train or in a house or with a mouse. "everyone tunnelling him" was a poor choice of words on my part, hyperbole. What I really wanted to say was, and I'm sure many would agree, that making a "good, solid case" on someone on the first third of the first day, when most of the players haven't even posted yet, on someone who seems obviously newbie and not experienced as mafia, is not going to happen. It was a bad case. Blazinghand wrote You are aware that demons have the same effective KP as angels right ._. every other night they "kill" two town votes with corruption, one by a townie no longer being able to vote, and one by the demons getting an extra vote. Look, just lynch hella mafia and our problem here is solved anyways. More lynching more win. I don't agree with this exactly, but ok, yes, obviously we should lynch anyone mafiaish. The point I was trying to make is that thereocrafting the setup provided a nice way to open up conversation about the game, especially in day 1. We were all thereocrafting setups and strats, including you blazinghand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Non committal For now, I don't have a lynch target. I want Palmar to start posting. Syllo, it was this post where I expressed I wanted to look at Palmar. Maybe it sounds non-committal to you, but it's pretty clear to me that I was wanting to take a closer look at him. ------------------------------------------ risk.nuke wrote What I don't like about refallen is he posts just to look town. Even though I approve of strategy talk to give us something to talk about day 1 this doesn't fit. This is just empty. There is nothing here that can be of used by town or be discussed about. Fluff. Firstly, of course I'm trying to look town. I believe someone said somewhere before, but establishing yourself as town should be the goal of every townie. My strat discussion was as empty as the thread was prior to me posting it. We can agree that yes, it's pretty much practically useless, yes, I have addressed that. I just don't see how anyone could put that as mafia-ish. Everyone is not tunneling, coming to the rescue so quickly you don't even properly analyse the situation. Eager to appear protown? "Everyone not tunneling" is as I said before, a poor choice of words. But yes, I tried to come to bluelightz defense because I do not want a day1 lynch to be wasted, again, on some halpless newbie who turns up green/blue like always. And yes, obviously I want to get some town cred. The rest of the post is... "fluff" "I don't have a lynch target" "I Want palmar to start posting" "I want palmar to start posting" <-- "I want to take a closer look at Palmar if he dosen't start posting more" + Show Spoiler + This is just a stall post imo. He confirms he knows he is beeing looked at but doesn't write much for a defense. Instead he just says that tomorrow he'll write something usefull. Conclusion: I don't like his posts so far and I'm suspicious towards his hype followed by nothing but fluff. I'm waiting for his thoughts tomorrow and some better defense wouldn't hurt him. It was 2 freaking am and I was beat when I came back from the party. And it obviously wasn't a lie that I was going to sleep because if you look at my other games, I NEVER EVER EVER post during those times because, guess what, I was asleep. I am so mad that I'm still getting flak for this, after three games. risk.nuke, I think this was one of the worse case by you. I think you're just trying to find a lynch target and make some half-assed case so you appear town as well (gasp cwidt). In fact, I'm pretty suspicious of you right now. In election mafia, on the first day, you were not afraid to be aggressive, outspoken, obnoxious. You do not try to cook up shitty cases if you don't have one. Instead, you just post stuff like these; + Show Spoiler + Also GiygaS is scummy bastard. Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas. No convoluted cases, just a straightforward, "I trust my own reads" kind of post. syllo, I started the post about 2 hours ago. I share what I want to share when I want to share it. Don't try and control me and please don't try to meta me. All my games I have a different style because I play varying of my mood. Well, haven't played more than a game with you so I can't tell if this is true or not. At the moment it seems like a cop out to me. So yes, to answer your question, if I were to shoot someone now, it would be you. (More posts inc after breakfast) | ||
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/in And the game is on. I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia : O NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted. *BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case. EFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched. Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game. Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today. Ok, sure, filler post, but whatever, start of day 1, generates discussion. Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability. Restating what other people stated, useless practically, but ok, many people including me did discuss about this. Reffalen On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote: Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable. I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel. So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? I was pointing out how as town we cannot rely on angels to kill demons as it is not game-optimal for them. And I don't see how you can see "much drawback" for them in doing this. If angels all devoted their night-time actions to killing demons for example, by day 4, obviously town will have a huge advantage because there's only 3 scum left. So yeah, pretty shitty ass case on me. So back to you. Basically, you have had 2 posts discussing the setup, objectively useless in scumhunting. But you know that's ok, that's not mafiaish (yet, but if people keep doing this throughout the day then it's a scumtell imo) Says we should ignore Palmar/syllo banter? Completely disagree. Syllo obviously had a really good reason for pushing Palmar, and to say you want to completely disregard it is pretttttty bad/scummy. Looks almost like you're soft-defending Palmar tbh. Leaning scummy on Tyrran -------------- I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case. -------------- I have leaning town reads on syllo, blazinghand, layabout. And yes, before anyone points out, I am now AGAIN suspicious of Palmar (after, as I said in my post 8 hours ago, rereading the thread again), mainly because of Tyrran's soft defense, as well as the cases Wiggles and Jackal made, both of whom I am leaning town on, and both of whom are better players than me. Furthermore, if Palmar flips red I think we should definitely go after Tyrran next. So to conclude my posting for now, my lynch targets are Palmar and risk.nuke. Among the two, I'm not sure who I want to lynch first. | ||
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On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. Yes, but there is a difference in which one I want to lynch FIRST. I don't see where that scum accusation came from, I really don't. With that said though, you're probably right that we should lynch the better scum player first, which is Palmar (I'm assuming). | ||
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risk.nuke, Yes, I'm still learning on how to best do that. But, please, before you suspect me any further, read my above posts and see what you think. I believe that has some actual content. | ||
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Because right now, I am much more comfortable in lynching risk.nuke than Palmar. | ||
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Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me? | ||
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On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote: They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable. However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur. Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments. Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Would someone really end up asking this? And I thought I found something DEEP and USEFUL too =( Then Zeph, would you prefer a lynch of risk.nuke to Palmar//Wiggles right now? | ||
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On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary. Yes, but there is a difference in which one I want to lynch FIRST. I don't see where that scum accusation came from, I really don't. With that said though, you're probably right that we should lynch the better scum player first, which is Palmar (I'm assuming). After this post actually. | ||
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On January 07 2012 10:05 Grackaroni wrote: Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future. My bad. I've only played 2 games so far which involved a voting thread so it didn't hit me to announce my votes before voting. Four town votes is exactly the number necessary for scum hammering. They have 20+ hours to do so. Unless you know that there are scum on Palmar's votes, you shouldn't leave it there unless you want him lynched IMO. Mmm, you're probably right, but I think the fact that there are two scum teams would have made it harder for that to happen. And yes, right now I don't mind lynching Palmar, but I do rather lynch risknuke. With that said ##UNVOTE PALMAR ##VOTE RISK.NUKE | ||
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