Steamship Liquidia (TL Mafia 46)

On November 08 2011 13:47 annul wrote:
so nobody remembers me or my day 1 awesomeness

maybe now is the time for my return. unleash it on the unsuspecting masses

On November 11 2011 07:30 Erandorr wrote:


over 150 posts in a week O.o STEROIDS!

On November 15 2011 14:19 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
LAL?
For your point on LAL, unless I have misread the OP, we only know what abilities are possible, not which are actually in the game, how they may have been combined into roles, nor how many of the role there may be. So, unless we have a cop of some variety, I don't know how you intend to find liars in this game. So were you just stating that as a general "in mafia games" rule, or did you have something in mind for this game in particular? I'd be interested in hearing how you intend to determine the liars given the setup.

On November 15 2011 13:43 Hiroruby wrote:
Well, this is my first game so I'll give my elementary assessment of the afformentioned topics.

Playing Mafia: I think mafia lurking and lying are weak strategies. Following those guidelines you set will guarantee the mafia get a few free town lynches if they play smart and be active at the beginning as I'm pretty sure we will have some inactive townies. As I said, straight up lying is a bad move, because it could come back to haunt you. Better to just have convoluted, strangely worded, ambiguous answers to peoples questions. It's all true, but people will waste time trying to figure out what you meant.

That is when you go "afk" for a few hours while people decipher it, then when they have sufficiently wasted their time, change something you said. Nothing big, just say it was a slight mistake or that you changed your mind about a portion of what you said. Following wheels like this whenever they present themselves is a good move, because if ever people follow the wheel to a towny, you can either hint to try and get a band wagon on him, or just let the town try and hang eachother.

I think sacrificing a mafia member is a great move as well. Have one mafia member call out another, get him killed because people will follow the logic train of: One is mafia, and one is town. No matter who gets lynched, it is very possible the town is left with a "sleeper cell" if you will. A trusted member who will influence us for the rest of the game, possibly without suspicion until several mislynches are made.

In my opinion, Mafia's biggest goal should be to become a trusted towny, by whatever means necessary.

I'm not too indepth with the subtle nuances of Mafia and their roles, so I'm eager to learn how those effect the game from other peoples posts.

Blue roles: are of course game changers, but I've read a lot of posts about town and their over reliance on blues to win the game. I believe Ace has been very vocal about this, perhaps I'm wrong on that, but I don't think we should hinge our strategy on verifying a few blue names and hoping they win before we all get killed. Again as with Mafia roles, I don't know too too much about the subtleties on how some of the roles like vet get played out in game. I'm again, eager to see what my fellow boatsmen have to say.

Can you write a small report like this as well, LSB? I would like to see your take in an easy to read format, so that I can see an established players views on the topics.

On November 15 2011 15:49 DCLXVI wrote:
damn I forgot people post while I'm in the middle of writing posts... ugh



So what is your position on Kenpachi claiming townie? At first you say LAL, but then lying can be acceptable in certain situations, such as kenpachi is blue. Then you say that his claim is meaningless as it is too early in the game. Does that make his post spam/intentionally distracting? Surely he is a good enough player to realize the importance of his claim. Can you explain your opinions on the subject rather than just post vague generalizations. Is kenpachi's claim worth analyzing/what does it mean?

Does that make his post spam/intentionally distracting? Surely he is a good enough player to realize the importance of his claim.

On November 15 2011 12:57 Zephirdd wrote:
I claim that LSB is mafia because I have access to that information and I don't care what others think and now I won't say anything else for the next 72 hours.

On November 15 2011 16:50 xsksc wrote:
3) We shouldn't go overboard with the use of this on lurkers, maybe lynch 1 lurker a day with it, in addition to the people we think are scum.

On November 15 2011 17:36 prplhz wrote:
Policy lynching is stupid stupid stupid and if we policy lynch ANYTHING it will ONLY help mafia. The day is 72 hours long and you have to post one every 24 hours so lurking should be somewhat dealt with that way. If we lynch lurky people they HAVE to be scummy too, you don't just lynch blindly into inactivity.

Tunneling can be pretty powerful, it is a tool to get a read it should just be used right. Town shouldn't let itself get sidetracked if player A decides that they want to tunnel player B, look at what is happening. Don't just say "lole~(tm) u r tunnl means u r scum". If you want to lynch either a lurker or a liar you ALWAYS need to post analysis of why they are scummy too.

I like what Cyber_Cheese said, Hiroruby has a lot of focus on how to play as mafia. Also, he supports a strict lynch all lurkers policy which, as I have already said, is extremely pro-mafia for painfully obvious reasons.

The multi-lynch system should be used for lynching multiple scum.

##Vote Hiroruby

On November 15 2011 17:46 prplhz wrote:


I think town shouldn't lie and we should discourage that. Look no further than Team Melee Mini Mafia where the esteemed GMarshal provided a prime example of why a strict lynch-all-liars policy isn't always the greatest as it would have lost town that game.

If you are town: do not lie under any circumstances. If you are town and somebody else lies: don't just lynch them because of that alone, even though we have a seemingly unlimited number of lynches at our disposal.

On November 15 2011 17:23 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Why are so many people putting seemingly random parts of their posts in spoilers? It makes it hard to read. If you are saying scummy things I don't want to have to make all these extra clicks to catch you.

On November 16 2011 04:14 DCLXVI wrote:

did did you just not read the thread then? That option was brought up several times.

@LSB
I didn't know that kenpachi always townie claims day 1, it has been forever since I have played. It still does not allow him to post 2 other useless one liners and then leave. I just don't think that you should just write off kenpachi so quickly. Zephirrd confirmed early then came back later and actually posted stuff. Once I look that over and see if it is good material I can comment more on it, but at least he posted something. Kenpachi posted useless one liners in response to hiroruby (so there was stuff to talk about, he just decided not to) and then disappeared. I want to see more out out of Kenpachi than this. If he has played enough games for this behavior to be standard, then he should know that this doesn't help the town.

##Vote Kenpachi

On November 15 2011 20:44 Forumite wrote:
/confirm

I´m going to step in here. DCLXVI allready caught this and posted before me, but I don´t think my reason for noticing has been discussed. Okay, to me it looks like this; LSB wants us to Lynch All Liars. Kenpachi claimed Townie, but LSB doesn´t want us to take the Kenpachi claim seriously. My problem here is that either Kenpachi lied, or he just told Scum not to nightkill him, because it would be no use. If we are going to go by the LAL policy, then either Kenpachi lied or acted Pro-Scum, so why should we back off? Kenpachi does this every game, then we can ignore his claim, but what I don´t agree with is LSB promoting LAL wanting to ignore the claim, even if it is meta. It took him about 5 posts to go back on his own policy of Lynch All Liars. If Kenpachi lied (or play Pro-Scum), why does LSB then defend him after his first policy post?

FoS LSB

As for lynching 1-2 lurkers and 1-2 scum, sounds reasonable, I think we should stay at about that number for now. We need to be carefull about lynching, not just because of the consequences in the setup, but if we find 5 players who seem connected, then it´s better to lynch 1-2 and see if they are scum, than lynching all 5 at once and kill 5 innocent townies at once.

On November 16 2011 04:42 Lemonwalrus wrote:
As far as lynching lurkers goes, I just thought of something.

If we decide to lynch lurkers one a day or something, I think that gives mafia a slight advantage, in that they will be able to, with their numbers, lead the vote to non-mafia lurkers before it gets to mafia lurkers. So say there are 3 town lurkers and 1 scum lurker, the scum will be able to vote and probably help the scum lurker be the last of the 4 lynched and they won't look bad in hindsight since they were just following the policy we had set forth to lynch a lurker a day. I don't really know what we could do to stop this but I'd like to at least discuss it before we start playing in to scum hands. I know lurking townies aren't particularly useful, but they are still a warm body that puts town that much further from losing. Idk, anybody have any suggestions?

On November 16 2011 09:46 wherebugsgo wrote:


filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=41788&user=41788

Chaoser right now is all over the place. He is not fostering positive discussion. He just OMGUSed sinani, he is pushing three different people right now, and he is using very little reasoning for all of those votes.

Chaoser if you are town, you need to slow down and focus on one person so that your posts are more coherent and readable, or you need to provide more information about your vote targets. Right now you're being incredibly distracting, particularly as people have to keep asking you why you're voting the people you are voting. This OMGUS on sinani, for example:

If you can't tell if he's scum or dumb, why did you vote him? It makes no sense using your very own logic. If you can't tell someone's alignment, why would you vote them?

Then, your attacks on Zephirrd are really bad too. He's a new player, and most of what he's saying makes sense. That's better than a lot of other new players. You even admit to making cases "out of nothing" as an attempt to create reactions from other players. That's not a good way to play town and you know it. You should be posting a case on someone after you have subtly pushed them for a while, instead of voting them the instant you think they've said something scummy. That's not reliable.

On November 16 2011 21:49 Palmar wrote:
First off, we should establish that chaoser is both analytical and critical as town. His play this game starkly contrasts that idea. He is throwing accusations and votes both left and right without actually doing much to back them up. Now, this leads us to think what would make chaoser throw his votes around like this.

The only sensible reason to do that as town is to apply pressure, but when you are the one being pressured it's actually not beneficial to do this, because no one is going to listen to you anyway. The optimal town play in this situation is to try as hard as you can to build reputation for people to listen to you for. However, chaoser seems not even slightly interested in raising his status in the game, feeling pretty comfortable being not listened to at all. Something only scum is interested in.

On November 17 2011 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Also, holy shit it really fucking bothers me that you guys dare complain about bad towns. Why am I not getting lynched? Why is WBG or Bum or Coag not getting lynched? It's got nothing to do with town, it's got everything to do with your own play. Man up and own your mistakes. We all fuck up.

This one is particularly interesting. First off, we have to understand how sinani206 works to see if this is legit. Remember, sinani206 hasn't got the greatest track record as town or scum, but he does have his tells like everyone else. This little vote he placed on chaoser seems to be pretty genuine. Like he's not pro enough as scum to realize that doing something like that with his meta as scum is excellent play, and thus the simplest explanation is that sinani206 is town.

chaoser should have understood this, yet he directly OMGUS votes sinani206, even gloating about the fact he's voting multiple people.

This is chaoser soft-claiming a power-role. No reason to do it unless you're scum.

If you can't understand how he's soft-claiming a power role, well... you deserve to be punched.

So yeah, let's kill that guy.

On November 17 2011 07:51 Palmar wrote:
We're lynching Lanaia no matter what. What she did is extremely poor play on day 1. If you're gonna do something like that, why not take it up with town? You must've known the anti-vote would show up anyway, so you're basically outed as soon as yo use it.

Basically, that play is so bad for town that I see no reason to not lynch her.

As for Kenpachi, well, his sole defense i "town is bad" which is well... fair. But remember, if you are the one who doesn't manage to argue your way out of lynch, both as town and scum, you are actually the worst person of all those bads you're complaining about.

Without exception, the player who gets lynched day 1 is the worst player in the game.

On November 17 2011 20:13 Palmar wrote:


You actually made me reconsider the stance on Lanaia. I just posted a huge post to see you attacking me