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L I think L is mafia in this game of Mafia L. Should help to remove confusion, provide a clear idea of which mafia this game is and annoy L. | ||
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On January 11 2012 18:00 p4NDemik wrote: has this started yet? decided I'd like to play. This time "he" isn't in the game with us. -.- | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 17:28 VisceraEyes wrote: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ARIZOPe9fAY/TkVsOQHcE5I/AAAAAAAABVQ/TAktPrEvmHc/s400/MADINA-3.jpg) Look around you. Go on, go back to page 1 and take a good long look at the player-list in this game. I'll wait. You'll see some familiar names, some you don't recognize, some you love playing with and some you hate playing with. You'll see seasoned veterans and raw newbies. You'll see professional e-sports figures and people fresh off super-secret-probation. This is possibly one of the most diverse player-lists since XLVII. With such a diverse cast of characters, do we really want the same ol' mayor calling the shots? It's time for a change. My name is VisceraEyes. Some of you might know me as 'that crazy guy who used to post insane nonsense but who has come back actually making sense at least half the time'. Others might know me as 'isn't he that guy who shot the GF on N1 of Election Mafia?' Still others of you may have never heard of me at all. It is for all of these reasons and more that I'm nominating myself for Mayor of Liquidia. "But VE, surely you jest! No one would follow you!" You have a point sir, but please allow me to explain. I don't intend to 'lead' the town. I intend to play the game as I always do - by being as open and transparent with my reads/thoughts as I can possibly be. I intend to lynch scum today, and I intend to relentlessly hunt for the remaining scum WITH town in the days to come. In this way, if town is interested in hunting scum, they have to follow me, because I'll already be doing that. It's called lead by example, and it's something the vets have forgotten about. "VE, surely you can see the merit of having a proven veteran of TLMafia as the mayor, right? At this point, no. In the games I've played, it seems to me like the vets are all mostly interested in surviving the first 2 night-kills (if they're town) before actually playing the game. I'm tired of electing someone into a position, only to have them waste it by lurking and throwing out random pro-town tidbits in an effort to avoid getting killed while they collect data. What does this serve to do? Get random players killed while the Mafia try and kill that vet before they become effective, that's what. I'll be active the whole game, not just from D3 on[. I'll be lynching scum TODAY, and I'll be hunting scum with you guys starting X pages ago…not on D3. All right that makes sense, but I've got to know: are you going to be as effective at scumhunting as a vet would? I'm not going to lie, here. I'm probably not as good at scumhunting as some of the vets may be. But I'll tell you what I DO know. I know that I probably try harder than all of them. It's part of the reason I've improved as much as I have since I started playing: because I relentlessly look for the scums. And here's something else to think about: go over my last couple of games and tell me that my alignment was a mystery to you. Go on, look. I bet anyone here (including some of our fresher players) could go look through my filter of any given game and accurately predict my alignment. Can you say the same about any of the vets also running for mayor? I'm talking to you too, vets: can you honestly say that I'll be harder to read than, say, BloodyC0bbler? Or Meapak? I'm almost convinced sir, but I have one final question for you: who would you lynch if chosen to be mayor? I can honestly say that I have no idea yet who I'm going to lynch today (and who asks that at a time like this anyway?) But I promise that I'll take everyone's input into account should you choose to elect me, and the final decision will be a town decision. I've bolded and underlined the part of this that is plain out wrong. Radfield in Election mafia was elected Mayor and proceeded to help town out an immense ammount. If Arctocod would have been elected he would have helped out a ton as well. Having a veteran in office is very important and I don't like that you're starting off by lieing. I understand BC's claim, however its like he said. He has a 50/50 chance of being town or mafia. Everything else being brought up about it is WIFOM. Keep that in mind. I agree completely with this statement below and will vote Protactinium for Mayor. ##Vote: Protactinium On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote: Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. @Sandroba I've really enjoyed your posts so far. I'm a huge fan of lynching 0/1/2 BG's if you get into office (I realize this was Jackal's idea), but I'm glad you agreed with it. Make sure its completely random, flip a coin or draw straws if you do get in to office. If I had a second vote, it would be for you. @RgTheScwarc you have said some bad things this game. You flip from being irrationally angry to happy, and are calling people pro-town or "not town" for very little reason. You also say "lynching bad townies is middle-bad", no it is simply bad. Also, this Mason should mass claim thing is WIFOM. We won't know there alignment for sure, and already those who Mason will be in the spotlight by PM'ing others. While BC's claim does put him in the spotlight, it hasn't confirmed anything yet. And for now, instead of going insane over this, we need to figure out who we are electing and who they should kill. Those are the things we need NOW, if we use the Mason topic for those issues its fine, but we need to have this our focus so mafia can't control it by silently voting on someone. I want more talk from Candidates on their campaigns. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:06 Jayjay54 wrote: well if town chooses to ignore the masons, than these guys are actually not blue. So they know the identity of two people without any power. yay. why would a medic protect a powerless masons? And we also would take away a very powerful role from the mafia. I think it's a great move, as I think good players can handle pming with mafia, worse players are actually manipulated. Plus, mafia gets to proof read, while town don't. So again, here's the logic. Scum Mason > Town Mason => eliminate all masons => 0>0! Town's strongest weapon is finding inconsistencies and using logic. Mason's allow town to get more information for lynch. That is our strongest weapon. Scum Masons and Town Masons won't be given a free pass when they do PM someone, because they could be either town or mafia. So Masons simply give townies more chances to talk together and find Mafia. Having them all reveal themselves really only gives knowledge to Mafia. They now know where some of our blues are for future reference and can use this to gain a better chance at finding our more valuable blues. So, saying Scum Mason > Town Mason is just not correct. Saying mafia gets to proof read, while town doesn't is correct, but every post from every mafia can be proof read. This isn't helpful knowledge to tell town and doesn't prove that Scum Mason > Town Mason. After all of this, hopefully you've realized Mass Claiming Mason is a bad idea. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target? Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy.  Welcome back.They haven't stated their activity will be waning. No just switching to lynching Cir wouldn't cause me to switch my vote. On January 14 2012 06:48 Mattchew wrote: this. 100 times over. There is a greater chance scum misleads masons then there is masons catching scum in pm's. If you believe there is a greater chance scum misleads town, do you think this applies to talking in the thread as well? Why would you post that Mattchew? Its all about thinking things through and not using WIFOM. You and BC are both using things that aren't applicable to this game. This isn't a past game and this game is all about thinking, its not obvious that one side or the other will be able to deceive their opponent. Its about who thinks and acts the best for their side. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: That was stated prior to the game start. I'm just curious as to your reasons for voting for them and the only reason I find is he is willing to lynch ciry. You didn't really say as to why and I found that scummy, so I guess it begs the question, why are you voting for protact? You find a small point of my post, and call it scummy. You haven't complained about anyone else's votes and yet you consider that scummy. I wasn't even the first person to put my vote on him, but once its possibly gaining steam you point out that what I'm doing is scummy. You've also claimed to be our second Mason for those who missed it, as I didn't realize it until I read your filter. | ||
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He straight up goes after who he thinks is posting badly. I feel like everyone else has simply said they'll do this, while Protactinium is actually doing it. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:25 Kenpachi wrote: id like a gist of what is going on right now People are saying stuff. Its day1. There are lots of pages to read. Ignorance will not be treated well. | ||
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On January 14 2012 07:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: A small point? Voting for mayor...is a small point? I want to clarify that also AS YOU DODGE my question. And just because they did it without attracting my written attention means I can't address you without addressing them? Srsly. Bad argument is bad argument. I posted why above your post. You're welcome to address me about it, it just seems out of place. And then your complaining about me calling it a "small" point, which has nothing to do with whether I'm mafia or not(I'm not saying who I'm voting for isn't important, just that whether or not I consider it small or not isn't leading to if I'm mafia) You also seem quite scared from this post. | ||
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On January 14 2012 14:03 wherebugsgo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=87086 bum I don't know what you see, but what about any of these posts has utility in any way shape or form for town? In what world is Palmar "not 100% useless" in his current state? None of his posts have breached one line and almost all of them have 0 content. He says Meapak is good, which isn't very helpful, he calls kita's (very valid concerns about his play, mind) dumb, he calls VE dumb and bad, he asks a noob how he knows his meta, and he wants to vote Protact because of a half-assed early game case on ciryandor. If you seriously believe Palmar is not useless then I have to question your angle. I feel like Palmar definitely hasn't been the most useless this day. Those who want to kill off Palmar based on his Meta should be waiting far past just day 1. I'm pretty sure everyone has had a day or two where they can't play much. Lynching Palmar at this point is like lynching a lurker. @WBG -- What do you think about what Protactinium has posted? | ||
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I realize I'm ignoring the rest you said about Prot and BC, I agree with you mostly on that as well. From knowing my fair share of people who when they roll scum they play with very little posts (in fact my first game I feel scum lost because of Palmar's inability to post or even make an attempt) so I'm definitely not saying to trust Palmar, just I don't think we've given him enough time yet. | ||
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On January 14 2012 15:10 wherebugsgo wrote: no, I'm saying this to get you guys to realize that he needs to be lynched. I don't care what potential he has as town to improve, because he's almost certainly not town and he's been given more than enough time to "improve" so far. He's not town. Kill his ass. Since none of the current candidates want to lynch Palmar, vote me if you want to see him die. I will run on the platform that Palmar dies today. This is a horrible campaign. On January 14 2012 15:02 Scamp wrote: Sheth, if we've not given Palmar enough time yet, then how much time is needed? More importantly, who have we given enough time to instead? Its not necessarily about time. I just wouldn't say from his posts alone (without knowing his meta) that hes acting scummy. Hes posted properly, hes simply used 1 sentence posts. Hes probably posted more original content with those "No thats stupid" sort of comments then myself. @Kitaman I liked his post about Cyrandor. Hes also called some people out for doing things I felt was stupid as well. I honestly don't like lynching based on someones meta this early. It just feels wrong to me. I don't want to die if I'm feeling like not posting a lot the first day in a game I'm in. I don't think that should be our reason for killing someone today. | ||
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On January 14 2012 15:46 kitaman27 wrote: How so? His only "that's stupid" posts have been in response to people questioning why he isn't posting. How do you consider this original content? This response is cringe worthy. Who are these people that is calling out? You're really stretching it here. It's fine if you don't believe Palmar should be lynched, but why are you trying to pass off his posts as contributions when they clearly aren't? Even Palmar himself wouldn't say he has posted original content with a straight face. I'm not trying really hard to defend him. I'm just pointing out that I don't want him lynched now. They weren't horrible posts. He explains his Mayor candidate choice : On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. Upon looking at this next post its obvious its bad posting. On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote: On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote: I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. Switching from VE to Prot for very little reason. Then he tries to get someone to do some analysis On January 14 2012 01:32 Palmar wrote: On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote: a) you are mafia and dont care about the game Prove it. He is being active and to jump on Sandroba's bandwagon he is a big name. He either dies soon or we get more information out of him. And he does explain his reasoning for switching to Prot's campaign here : [B]On January 14 2012 01:35 Palmar wrote: Ciryandor, for speculating about if sandroba or I were going for the mayor position. I don't like that I'm stuck defending Palmar, but I think he is a bad day 1 lynch. Enough of me defending him, lets get some reasoning for why people are voting for who they are voting for. | ||
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On January 15 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: I'm visiting my sis so I'm out for a couple of hours. However I still have a couple of people I have no idea about. I'm just leaving you with a list of 5 or so names and if you see your name on that list I'd like to know who you want to vote for mayor and if you had to decide the first lynch who it would be. I'm only mentioning people I think might read this, so thx if you do: + Show Spoiler + 5. risk.nuke 9. Kenpachi (you won't answer this right?) 11. EchelonTee 14. Liquid`Sheth 20. Ciryandor 49. Scamp turns out I got 6 names instead of only 5 but yeah that's it for now. I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor at the moment. He has what I believe to have been the best case for Mayor. If I had to decide the first lynch, I'd probably make it a town affair and get everyone's opinions on who they wanted to lynch and then decide based on what that information gave me. | ||
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