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Van Gogh self-portrait actually not Van Gogh

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Qi
Profile Joined June 2011
China31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 03:32:01
June 22 2011 03:19 GMT
#1
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It is a story of great filial love and devotion. All his life, Van Gogh never made any fortune out of his paintings. Yet, he managed to continue making hundreds and hundreds of them. How? His brother Theo supported him, financially and emotionally all throughout his wild life. But it remains one of the little mysteries in art: after a lifetime of undying support, did Van Gogh never pay any tribute to his brother, Theo. Seems like the answer was right in plain view all along.

            Artinfo.com
What did Van Gogh Museum senior researcher Louis van Tilborgh discover while gazing into the eyes of his subject of study? That maybe he wasn’t looking at old Vincent after all. The 1887 painting that Tilborgh was admiring, now on view in the show “Van Gogh in Antwerp and Paris: New Perspectives” at the Amsterdam museum, may not be a self-portrait, as was previously believed. Rather, it may be a likeness of the painter’s brother and loyal ally, Theo.

Van Tilborgh came to this startling conclusion when he noticed that the 1887 portrait, of some Van Gogh wearing a blue jacket and a straw hat against a blue backdrop, depicts a man with shaved cheeks and an ochre (not red) beard. “On top of that,” a press statement declares, “this man’s ear has a fine rounded shell, unlike Vincent’s but like Theo’s.”

If you remain skeptical that the work — which was completed during a period in which Theo and Vincent lived together in Paris — portrays Theo, just heed the advice of the press statement: “Once you start to ask questions, you may sometimes be surprised by the answers. Familiar works of art may appear in a new light: such discoveries help to keep one’s gaze sharp and fresh.”

Such wide-eyed wonder has also recently led the museum to figure out that a Van Gogh painting of laborer’s shoes dates from much later than originally believed and that “The Garden with Lovers,” depicts not the village of Asnières, as was formerly posited, but Montmartre, in Paris. Oh, and they’ve also cleared up that the painting “Wheatfield with a Lark” is actually a picture of a partridge.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 03:24:28
June 22 2011 03:23 GMT
#2
In my opinion, the brothers look so similar that it could be either of them. It definitely does look like van Gogh, even if it really is supposed to be his brother.

van Gogh had photographs taken of him, it's not like some grand mystery of who he really is...I don't think this is much to get excited about, unfortunately

Wikipedia: Self-Portraits of Vincent van Gogh
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 22 2011 03:27 GMT
#3
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?
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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 22 2011 03:30 GMT
#4
On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 22 2011 03:32 GMT
#5
On June 22 2011 12:30 Tatari wrote:
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On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d


What I mean is. Why can't the portrait be a mix of both of him and his brother in one person/being.
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 22 2011 03:33 GMT
#6
It's just preliminary research, they're not sure of anything.
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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 03:35 GMT
#7
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 22 2011 03:37 GMT
#8
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.


And you suddenly make me see him in that painting now..I, black magiks is this?!
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Darth Vader
Profile Joined June 2011
United States50 Posts
June 22 2011 03:38 GMT
#9
On June 22 2011 12:23 Hikko wrote:
In my opinion, the brothers look so similar that it could be either of them. It definitely does look like van Gogh, even if it really is supposed to be his brother.

van Gogh had photographs taken of him, it's not like some grand mystery of who he really is...I don't think this is much to get excited about, unfortunately

Wikipedia: Self-Portraits of Vincent van Gogh

Why post here then. If it does not interest you, simply leave. Don't be a dick.
OT: Went to the Artinfo site, nice discussion going on there. Wish I could attend the exhibit and seminar.

here is one of the replies proving that Van Gogh indeed painted in reverse, possibly Theo.
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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 22 2011 03:39 GMT
#10
On June 22 2011 12:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:30 Tatari wrote:
On June 22 2011 12:27 Torte de Lini wrote:
Why can't it be a picture of both people? Both himself and his brother?


It's gotta be only one of them.

I mean, if he wanted both himself AND his brother, he could have painted his face and his brother's face on one head, similar to how Voldemort appeared in the first Harry Potter movie :d


What I mean is. Why can't the portrait be a mix of both of him and his brother in one person/being.


The portrait could be a mix of them. It's just that one of the brothers' face is hidden behind that hat. :d

I know what you're talking about. But if the brothers are so similar in appearance what's the point in mixing their faces? Unless Van Gogh wanted his audience to guess for all eternity who it was... which could be entirely possible.
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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 03:40 GMT
#11
On June 22 2011 12:37 Parnage wrote:
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On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.


And you suddenly make me see him in that painting now..I, black magiks is this?!


You're welcome bro T_T
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
June 22 2011 04:02 GMT
#12
Nice post OP, very interesting
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 22 2011 04:07 GMT
#13
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Wtf it really is identical. Speshial paintings.
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ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
June 22 2011 04:10 GMT
#14
Maybe he ran out of red paint?
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 04:28:55
June 22 2011 04:20 GMT
#15
On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
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Coincidence?
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 22 2011 04:24 GMT
#16
On June 22 2011 13:20 Hikko wrote:
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On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
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Coincidence?


So basically, Van Gogh was painting White-ra, presaging the awesomeness that would emerge decades later. I can buy it ;D
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Profile Joined May 2011
Russian Federation905 Posts
June 22 2011 04:26 GMT
#17
On June 22 2011 13:24 KimJongChill wrote:
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On June 22 2011 13:20 Hikko wrote:
On June 22 2011 12:19 Qi wrote:
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Coincidence?


So basically, Van Gogh was painting White-ra, presaging the awesomeness that would emerge decades later. I can buy it ;D

Van Goghstradamus?
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
June 22 2011 04:28 GMT
#18
On June 22 2011 13:07 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 12:35 LOcDowN wrote:
Looks like White_Ra to me.
Wtf it really is identical. Speshial paintings.


More like speshial tactiks T_T
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 04:31:41
June 22 2011 04:29 GMT
#19
Wow, White-Ra's face really is everywhere...
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Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 01:14:32
June 22 2011 04:29 GMT
#20
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