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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 25 2011 19:54 GMT
#10
/in as replacement
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 26 2011 14:59 GMT
#28
On March 26 2011 18:52 Tackster wrote:
I'm /in - seems clearer than insane mafia

Don't worry! No one gets insane mafia! There are a few things I don't understand too.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 05 2011 22:27 GMT
#175
Welcome back aidnai! I hope things are going well with you.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 08 2011 02:47 GMT
#216
/in for Latrommi. He has expressed interest in playing mafia here and was looking for signups. However he doesn't have access yet (I think)
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 09 2011 02:06 GMT
#318
OMG kitaman27 what are you doing here with... that person!!! Are you cheating on me!
</drama>
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#1927
Hey guys, I don't want to read ~100 pages.

Can someone link me Mr. Wiggle's latest analysis of people? Thanks!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 13:04 GMT
#1928
Oh yeah, I'm replacing ON
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 19:22 GMT
#2011
On April 14 2011 03:06 CubEdIn wrote:
In all fairness, I came in as a replacement during the night, posted twice, and died. I deserve to live at least a day.

I was suppose to replace Pandain, but he died too, so I'm now ON.
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LSB
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United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#2014
Night 1

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Click me for larger size!


I'm inclined to believe the fourth case, that Flamewheel is SK and realized after loosing the election he has to do something drastic to try to throw off the other SKs.

As the same time though, I'd assume that SKs would have DT checked Flamewheel night 1 so it doesn't really matter in the first place.

Note SK=Ninja/Assassin as it's easier to write. And because I didn't read the OP carefully enough before I made the picture

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LSB
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United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 19:40 GMT
#2015
Oh wait, I just realized something. Give me a moment, I'll change the graphic
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 19:49 GMT
#2017
Correction!

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Lynch Flamewheel! It's a win win!

The situation we are looking at is probably situation two. Flamewheel is Mafia, Coagulation is Town

Why is this believable?
Remember, Flamewheel is still alive today. This must mean that the SKs didn't shoot him. After all, the SKs have a large incentive to shoot Flamewheel, if they succeed they get their banhammer back.

This is explained by Flamewheel posting that there are three ninjas. Sks didn't believe him so they didn't shoot him.

But now why is he making these wild statements? Because he is mafia. Consider Flamewheels options if he really was DT.
Day1, he wants to be mayor. Would you claim DT or Assassin? Obviously you'd claim DT. Although it might get you roleblocked, being an Assassin will also get your roleblocked.
Day2, if he actually was DT and got a red check, would he publically claim in thread that he was DT? No! If he does so he's going to be hit night 3 and roleblocked. Instead he should just do the standard do lots and lots of analysis on Coagulation.

Now think if he is mafia.
Day1: How would he run for mayor? He doesn't have the 'name' that Gmarshal and Doc has because he is smurfing and the players here are relativity new. So he puts together a really convoluted claim.
Day2: He knows his time is short so he tries his best to cause chaos before he is dead.

TLDR: Flamewheel is not playing like a DT and therefore isn't one

##Vote: Flamewheel
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 19:50 GMT
#2018
On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote:
LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him.

Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black.

Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:03 GMT
#2021
Take a look at Flamewheel's analysis http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956&currentpage=88#1752
He's calling Coagulation scummy because all coagulation has been doing is
But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia.

It completely ignores Coag's town play. You guys have played with coag before. All he does is spam, and yell at people. I have never seen Coag do analysis.

In addition, Flamewheel is saying Coagulation is red for two things
1) Going against his campaign
2) Trying to not get kavdragon lynched
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Btw why was kavdragon lynched? I just seems stupid that you guys would lynch him

These aren't mafia traits. These are completely town traits. I don't see why it benefits the town to have an SK as a mayor. And I don't see why you guys should have lynched Kavdragon.

So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet?
If you don't think he is blue, lynch him.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:04 GMT
#2023
On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today.

lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis?

Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:04 GMT
#2024
On April 14 2011 05:03 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote:
On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote:
LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him.

Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black.

Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red.


Nice, 3333 posts ^^

(the above post is not commentary on the game in any way)

And goddammit, you just ninja'd me and changed your postcount anyway. Nevermind, carry on.

Sooner or later I'll lose my DT and I'll break down and cry
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:09 GMT
#2026
[image loading]

This picture was only to get you to read this post


Why you should lynch Flamewheel.

Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons.

1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2

2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead.


This means
Flamewheel
must be red or black. Lynch him
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:11 GMT
#2029
On April 14 2011 05:08 ilovejonn wrote:
I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him.

Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions.

It's not happening.


Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways?
From what I've read Coagulation is red because
1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black
2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched
3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 13 2011 20:12 GMT
#2030
On April 14 2011 05:11 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote:
On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote:
Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today.

lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis?

Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive

That's a wasted lynch. I see no benefit in keeping him alive either. Both scum and assassins have motivation to kill him. Let them deal with him. Let a vig shoot Coag. I'd rather lynch the mayor or the pardoner. Preferably GMarshall. Neither fill me with warm fuzzies.

Can you link me an analysis of GMarshal/DocH? Because I'd rather not lynch a mayor this early in the game.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 14 2011 00:11 GMT
#2094
On April 14 2011 05:17 Robellicose wrote:
LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them.

Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself.
In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent.

However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3

On April 14 2011 08:57 chaoser wrote:
a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue
b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS
c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal
d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST.


Who are you talking about?
Sorry I don't keep up with times
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 14 2011 00:22 GMT
#2100
I'll Split Aidnai's analysis of Rean into two portions, the first I agree with, the second I don't. I removed all the fluff.
In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam
On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote:


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On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote:
On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.

I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.


What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red.

A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option.

Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking.

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On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote:
On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote:
Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot.


Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2.



As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down.

Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.>

If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red.


Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin.

Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies.

This is where it gets juicy again:
a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue
b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS
c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal
d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST.


Thanks for making it easy Rean

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Stuff I don't agree with
On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote:
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I told you: if elected, I am an invincible double-shot vigilante. How are vigilantes generally used? You kill people who are very predominantly Mafia, and that's what I'm going to do. Being that I have my own excellentlucky hunches to back up my analysis, as well as a Detective check, you can bet that I'll be shooting Mafia, and I'm going to obviously be calling out my shots. Vigilantes generally confirm themselves in other games by breadcrumbing shots, and I have no need for such subtlety.


yeah right

you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress

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Reiterating what I said above, I'm shooting anti-town targets, predominantly Mafia at first then moving into Assassins later on. If hits overlap, traditionally Mafia takes precedence. Yet again, that's a waste of KP for them. And if they hit Veterans, then obviously the Vet speaks up like normal, saying he took a shot in the night.


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If hits overlap, traditionally Mafia takes precedence



YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person

keep trying, you're pretty amusing.

One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning.
On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote:
Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him.

THIS POST IS IMPORTANT!
"even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch.


On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote:
I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag,

A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie.

not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case).


On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote:
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On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote:
Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this?


Meapak says it's okay to pm the host:

[01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK
[01:14] <+Meapak> redff
[01:14] <+Meapak> dude
[01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts
[01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post
[01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts
[01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts

Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz...


On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote:
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On April 12 2011 22:52 DropBear wrote:
Pandain have you died or something?

Also Rean. You have approximately double the posts in Insane2, a completed game, than you have here since day 1 started. What's so boring about our game?


I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it.

Is it working?

Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling.
1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes)
2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level
3) His thread presence in this game shows???
and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_-

Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level.


Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet.

I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation.
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