That build may make kaoz with them. But how does it deal with Colossi since 250mm cannon isn't researched yet? Although that seems easy adjusted, my biggest concern though would be a zealot voidray heavy army, how do you deal with that?

ScrubS

Netherlands436 Posts

January 18 2011 17:57 GMT

Very intresting variation to all the current 1 base TvP pushes, definately gonna try it out.

EDIT: could you plz add some more replays? Toss FE close positions on Meta isn't usually working out that good

maxtodd

58 Posts

January 18 2011 17:59 GMT

I have a 2gate 1sg push that comes at about 7:30 game time that would work this. Charge on supply depot, down the bunker, thor isn't out yet. Never know til we try! Add me and let's do a practice game: StingraySam.835

LaserTurken

Sweden17 Posts

January 18 2011 18:00 GMT

On January 19 2011 02:55 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote:
That build may make kaoz with them. But how does it deal with Colossi since 250mm cannon isn't researched yet? Although that seems easy adjusted, my biggest concern though would be a zealot voidray heavy army, how do you deal with that?

Hmm, the thors works as Tanks, while marines are the dps dealers.

Also trade oout the Medivacs against Vikings if you notice colossi or mass VR.

LaserTurken.523

gr8ape

Canada302 Posts

January 18 2011 18:07 GMT

Stargate

LaserTurken

Sweden17 Posts

January 18 2011 18:09 GMT

On January 19 2011 03:07 gr8ape wrote:
Stargate

Build a Viking before Raven, also, Marines.

omgbbq2

Canada169 Posts

January 18 2011 18:13 GMT

this reminds me of the recent game 1 of mvp vs tester

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

January 18 2011 18:16 GMT

not really a tactic. more of a timing push. pretty much just a variation of all the 1 base all ins terrans love so much these days. you'll win some with this and you'll lose some.. i don't think this is the best all in but it's definitely not the worst

rsvp

United States2266 Posts

January 18 2011 18:19 GMT

#10

Like many terran 1 base all-ins with scvs, this is a ridiculously strong build that can catch a lot of protoss off guard, even at the highest levels of play.

I've seen variations of this 2 thor timing attack used by a few good Ts before, such as Baz (currently top 10 NA) and Janook (http://www.sc2builds.com/build/701)

jamesmax

Canada72 Posts

January 18 2011 18:25 GMT

#11

lol, isnt there enough all in pushes? can't we work on things that make the game enjoyable =[

LaserTurken

Sweden17 Posts

January 18 2011 18:25 GMT

#12

On January 19 2011 02:57 ScrubS wrote:
Very intresting variation to all the current 1 base TvP pushes, definately gonna try it out.

EDIT: could you plz add some more replays? Toss FE close positions on Meta isn't usually working out that good

More replays:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/127896-1v1-terran-protoss-xelnaga-caverns
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/127895-1v1-terran-protoss-jungle-basin
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/127894-1v1-terran-protoss-lost-temple

iSTime

1579 Posts

January 18 2011 18:25 GMT

#13

Tactic: Putting vikings over center of the map on xel'naga for safe colossus sniping
Not a Tactic: Build order for a timing attack

Anyway, blindly using this build order seems bad. If the opponent does an early nexus they're going to have enough profit from the expansion by the time that you attack them that you won't kill them. Maybe could work against the safe 3 gate builds where they get a robo before nexus.

ChickenLips

2912 Posts

January 18 2011 18:25 GMT

#14

If P goes for a 1gate expand he will have a full 4 minutes of 4-5 gate + robo production before this all in hits. also since repairing SCVs got fixed this isnt a build that cannot be beaten by a solid BO + simple scouting + macro.

Sm3agol

United States2055 Posts

January 18 2011 18:31 GMT

#15

Every time i see a T go "all-in" by pulling a large number of scvs, lose his entire army while not doing any serious economic damage, then call 10 MULEs down, rebuild his army, and cruise back in for the easy win, I facepalm inside and outside. MULE's definitely need a cool-down to make all-ins by Ts actually all-ins.

On the other hand, I have no problem with all-in-ish mid-game timing attacks, and this definitely looks like a solid one. As usual though, with any mid-game oriented attack, an earlier timing attack like a 4 gate/ 7RR, etc., can inflict serious damage, and hence, can easily counter this. That makes this ok in my book. It's scouteable and defendeable if you catch it early.

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

January 18 2011 18:35 GMT

#16

EDIT: nvm, actually not that much, still i ll leave it here
http://www.youtube.com/user/ArtosisTV#p/search/0/d__kxkTd6RM

Gitch

United Kingdom27 Posts

January 18 2011 18:36 GMT

#17

As a Protoss I get totally owned by 2-thor pushes so I think this is a good build. I really don't think a raven adds enough though as I'm convinced stalker-based armies have no chance against this build anyway, so do you really need a PDD? I would just push earlier or get strike cannons.

Synystyr

United States1446 Posts

January 18 2011 18:41 GMT

#18

On January 19 2011 03:36 Gitch wrote:
As a Protoss I get totally owned by 2-thor pushes so I think this is a good build. I really don't think a raven adds enough though as I'm convinced stalker-based armies have no chance against this build anyway, so do you really need a PDD? I would just push earlier or get strike cannons.

I'd have to agree with this statement that PDD seems like overkill. Instead of a Raven, you could invest that gas instead into a banshee or two + cloak. Save a scan for when you push so you can pop the obs with your thors and let your banshees ride unchecked.

Or you could instead use the Raven for turrets if you have enough energy to stop the Protoss from retreating back up their ramp by placing 3 turrets there to block off the ramp. I'm sure once they see a force like that, they'll be wanting to pull back.

Edit: Raven is validated by nullifying DT threat. I still feel that PDD is overkill but it doesn't detract from the push at all. Feel free to use the energy any way you see fit.