Lately I seem to be playing ZvZ consistently around or above 50%, more like 60% of my matches, and I feel that it is starting to have a real negative impact on my enjoyment of 1v1.

Is this trend caused by me and other zergs downvoting JB, SOW and LT, while the other races are downvoting metalopolis, or am I just being dicked with by Battle.net?

Sorry if this thread should rather have been a blog post, wasn't completely sure where to post it.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

January 17 2011 20:30 GMT

Your probably just getting screwed by bnet. I find it hard to believe that among the millions of players on bnet that everyone has the same maps downvoted and are thus causing the mirror matchups.

P.S. The maps suck

Yurie

12155 Posts

January 17 2011 20:31 GMT

It has been talked about before. Certain times of the day has more of certain races (not a large difference) and down voting is as you say. Zerg favoured maps are down voted by the other races, while you down vote those that are worst for zerg. Means the map pool you have have more z than other races in it.

PhiliBiRD

United States2643 Posts

January 17 2011 20:32 GMT

hm.
i have a map downed and i have been getting a ridiculous amount of TvT.

however just for the sake of bnets bugginess, ill try unchecking and record my results

and compare them

unchecking so far hasnt done anything, at least not yet noticeably.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34505 Posts

January 17 2011 20:33 GMT

You'll need at least 1000 games worth of records for those results to be reliable.

Coutcha

Canada519 Posts

January 17 2011 20:35 GMT

same here since i downvoted JB, SOW and DQ i get a LOT more ZvZ

Natt

France253 Posts

January 17 2011 20:37 GMT

I got few ZvZ, and i haven't veto any map. The most played map is Xel'naga, and i got few more ZvP than ZvT.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

January 17 2011 20:40 GMT

I don't think anyone downvotes Meta... but I would say it definitely plays a part. I play an obscenely high amount of P's and T's when it matches me on Jungle though.

Personally I've downvoted Steppes, Blistering, and Scrap as a T.

On January 18 2011 05:33 Firebolt145 wrote:
You'll need at least 1000 games worth of records for those results to be reliable.

No you wouldn't, you could have less than 100 for them to be reliable.

Diderick

Netherlands298 Posts

January 17 2011 20:41 GMT

Just downvote scrap, and meta, and you will almost never play zvz

grimm42

Germany7 Posts

January 17 2011 20:42 GMT

#10

Actually, the matchmaking system is looking for your opponent first and then the map is decided. So your down votes aren't affecting who you play or against what race you play.

DwmC_Foefen

Belgium2186 Posts

January 17 2011 20:43 GMT

#11

I don't downvote. When I get LT or something I just try some stupid stuff like proxyhatch or something.
But even without the downvotes I still get alot of ZvZ, like yesterday had 4 zvz's in a row. I was like NO FRIGGIN WAY! RAGE 7POOL!!! Gg's

Moa

United States790 Posts

January 17 2011 20:43 GMT

#12

I am pretty confident that it is all in your heads. I have heard before (around retail) that you are matched with an opponent and then the map is chosen. This means that both players vetos are taken into account and what maps you have vetoed have no bearing on who you play.

danielsan

Romania399 Posts

January 17 2011 20:44 GMT

#13

i assume in upper leagues (diamond,masters) the general opinion for any given race revolves around same maps when it comes about exclusions so chances are this phenomenon is way more noticeable up there than it is on lower leagues where people downvote maps based on subjectivity.

so yeah, if youre diamond or upper this could be the reason you're getting more mirror matches

if it's opponent first, preferences cant cause mirrors

ICA

498 Posts

January 17 2011 20:44 GMT

#14

But still it just makes perfect sense that this increases the likelihood of mirrors. If everyone vetoes maps that are bad for his race and good for others this will cause more mirror matches.

regulator_mk

United States127 Posts

January 17 2011 20:50 GMT

#15

On January 18 2011 05:43 Moa wrote:
I am pretty confident that it is all in your heads. I have heard before (around retail) that you are matched with an opponent and then the map is chosen. This means that both players vetos are taken into account and what maps you have vetoed have no bearing on who you play.

I believe this is correct. It's how they did it in war3, and it's really the only logical way to do it. It would make no sense to choose your opponent based on map preferences.

Jochan

Poland1730 Posts

January 17 2011 20:55 GMT

#16

I think it's just unlucky draw, I have no downvoted maps and get mostly Zerg opponents too, most often when I go outside my level to a higher one I get Zerg just so i can tank my rating in this matchup.

Toast.yum

51 Posts

January 17 2011 20:57 GMT

#17

Opponent is chosen before map. Maps make no difference as far as what matchups you'll get on ladder.

Lobo2me

Norway1213 Posts

January 17 2011 20:58 GMT

#18

If map was chosen before player, then that would make it possible. But since the player is most likely chosen first then all vetoing does is makes certain maps in certain matchups more likely.

MadZ

Denmark111 Posts

January 17 2011 20:58 GMT

#19

i get zvz 50-70% of my games too and i havent downvoted any maps.. i get it alot on steppes actually

ScrubS

Netherlands436 Posts

January 17 2011 21:00 GMT

#20

This is very true actually. It HAS to be. For example: most terrans downvote Scrap Station because zerg is very strong on that map. While zerg players will almost never downvote Scrap Station themselves. This will result into a higher percentage of zerg players playing Scrap Station, thus resulting into more mirror matches. Enough said.

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