Hello. I've lost an embarrassing number of games because I can't wall or sim city. Usually when I wall, I leave 2 spaces open (two zealots need to block it) so I can get stalkers/immortals through. I can't find the proper way to wall. Also..my building placement sucks. I just throw down random pylons and buildings that I need; I don't have a certain way of putting them in their rightful place.

My other problem is sim-citying. I won't even get into it - I just fail.

I'm just asking for some screenshots of how to wall properly and sim-city properly.

Thanks!

Zvendetta

United States321 Posts

November 08 2010 00:46 GMT

Watch ANY pvz MU on youtube. They have pylon, gateway, cybercore, and 1space left for a zealot which plugs the hole.

This is standard, so its not hard to google and find.

Foooky

Australia205 Posts

November 08 2010 00:46 GMT

u dont need 2 spaces to get stalkers immortals through. The only thing that immortals and stalkers cant fit through is two buildings diagnally adjacent each other.

SteveNick

United States304 Posts

November 08 2010 00:48 GMT

A zealot wall can fit a stalker or an immortal through. I think an Archon is the only thing that possibly won't fit through it.

For the actual walling, download pro replays. Copy. It doesn't take long and can be applied to basically any ramp with little effort.

BadMisty

United States9 Posts

November 08 2010 00:49 GMT

unless it's against zerg i find its usually not smart to wall of, even now its risky because with roche range its harder to defense your wall. and before you put down a pylon think about whether it may 1) be in the way 2) be able to hide tech or power buildings effectively (ie dont choose to triple plyon you gate if another structure is only single pylon-ed) or 3) will it help reinforce a wall etc.

Jonny55

United States22 Posts

November 08 2010 01:01 GMT

Most Protoss only wall against Zerg, as no other race can counter-attack as well as zerg can (w/ speedling run by). To wall off a normal ramp, place the pylon back a bit, then place a Gateway and a Cybernetics Core side by side at the top of the ramp, right next to each other with one space open. If the space is not inbetween them (ex the building and the cliff make the wall, not the two buildings), all Protoss units (except maybe Archons, haven't tested) can get through while it only takes one Zealot to prevent a Zergling run by.

simme123

Sweden810 Posts

November 08 2010 01:04 GMT

Load up a map and try it out and also might only wanna leave 1 space if you're gonna turtle since it's a bit fragile to big ling all ins because you can always break 1 of the buildings you blocked with to move out.

Jaeger

United States1150 Posts

November 08 2010 01:18 GMT

I like this sim city.

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Geovu

Estonia1344 Posts

November 08 2010 01:25 GMT

On November 08 2010 10:18 Jaeger wrote:
I like this sim city.

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TBH that is a terrible wall off. It looks like it isn't even a tight wall off with that space next to the zealot. You should have the pylon behind the buildings and wall off with either 1 gate and a cyber or 2 gates (Or forge. w/e). This leaves exactly one space so you can wall off with exactly one unit (Any unit in the game takes no more than 1 hex to move across the ground). Turn on the building grid in options and practice it vs AI for a few games and you'll have it down ASAP

zoOv

Australia269 Posts

November 08 2010 01:37 GMT

#10

It's much easier to go to Options and enable Grid for when you are building. What you do at your ramp is you build a pylon at a distance from your ramp so that it powers a gateway and cybernetics core. A pylon doesn't have enough HP so zerg can easily baneling bust you. Using a gateway and cybercore you can leave one exact grid space and have a zealot on hold position to stop ling runby. Stalkers/immortals/collosus .etc all fit through that one grid space for when you want to move out.

Enervate

United States1769 Posts

November 08 2010 01:41 GMT

#11

That pylon wall off is fine and does not have a gap in it. A pylon takes up 4 blocks though it looks smaller. However, I prefer to not use pylons as part of my wall in case of banelings busts or getting it sniped by roaches from low ground.

Darthturtle

United States718 Posts

November 08 2010 01:50 GMT

#12

On November 08 2010 10:18 Jaeger wrote:
I like this sim city.

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Normally, when I baneling bust, I have to settle for wasting the banelings on a zealot or two and gain no tangible advantage besides an entrance.

With this wall, I can kill your zealot, cap your supply, and unpower your gateway all in one go. Thanks, dude!

Jaeger

United States1150 Posts

November 08 2010 01:57 GMT

#13

On November 08 2010 10:50 Darthturtle wrote:

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Right because you totally have banelings by the time a protoss has a pylon gateway and zealot out.

It's so bad that Genius uses it in gsl.

http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1151

Obviously an auto loss vs a zerg.

MrStorkie

United Kingdom697 Posts

November 08 2010 02:27 GMT

#14

that was a really good example of sim city and the usage of map terrain to your favour

s4m222

United States272 Posts

November 08 2010 02:27 GMT

#15

its better to wall with gate and cyber.

And only 1 space needed for stalker and immortal - only archons get stuck with 1 space i believe.

Darthturtle

United States718 Posts

November 08 2010 02:30 GMT

#16

On November 08 2010 10:57 Jaeger wrote:

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Right because you totally have banelings by the time a protoss has a pylon gateway and zealot out.

It's so bad that Genius uses it in gsl.

http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens2/vod/1151

Obviously an auto loss vs a zerg.

You might have the wrong impression about banelings. They're not actually countered by a pylon/zealot wall. This might be difficult to understand, but they're actually used to kill the wall.

It doesn't matter if you can wall off with a pylon/zealot before I get banelings. I'm waiting for you to get that wall up so I can exploit it's weakness.

rsol

Australia117 Posts

November 08 2010 02:35 GMT

#17

another thing is if the ramp is pointing up to not make the gap on the top, since it can be a nightmare to properly place a zealot in the gap in some situations where the top of buildings obfuscate your cursor

also to make sure that the gateway is doing the most amount of the ramp blocking rather than the cybercore, so if you are really being a struggle bear moving between your natural and main to kill mutas you can just blast away the gate to make more room if you have to

Psymage2

United States50 Posts

November 08 2010 02:49 GMT

#18

On November 08 2010 10:25 Geovu wrote:

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Picture please? XD
If I put a cyber and gate near each other, only a zealot can fit through. There must be a good way of doing it

tetramaster

Canada253 Posts

November 08 2010 02:54 GMT

#19

Gateway+core, but don't have the space in between the two buildings, instead, have it to on the side of the cybercore; that way, it's a 1 zealot wide space that also allows stalkers/immortals to get out. Also means that your pylon isn't going to be exposed to attacks and they'll need to go around/through your zealot to get to it.

GoldenH

1115 Posts

November 08 2010 03:19 GMT

#20

I do gateway + core with the space between the buildings. The reason is, when I see banelings coming, I can throw down a forcefield in the middle. That forces him to do no splash damage, taking down a maximum of one building. Any other position means that I have to use 1 forcefield to protect a building & 1 forcefield to protect the units in the choke. In general I am happy to make him waste his banelings on one building. Because Forcefield doesn't last forever!

You can put your pylon actually behind the choke, so that a zergling runby won't work, and they can't push him out of the way by spam clicking move. But I find it's difficult to place this pylon and prefer just to leave all my units there. So with my first pylon, i place it so that the power circle is just barely touching both sides of the choke. But I will build the second pylon when I move out to attack to prevent a counterattack.

Also note that the Zealot is a little bit back. The reason for this is because you only want 1 zergling to be able to attack the zealot at a time. If you look in the other wall pictured, fully 3-4 zerglings can attack one zealot at a time! He's not going to be able to hold on very long like that.

Only problem is, sometimes you have to be careful. or your units will get stuck. On this map, for example, I have to rally my units to the top left, or else they might get stuck. You might want to swap the cyber core and gateway if you are worried about that.

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