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Artosis
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New MYM.Artosis replay pack!
By popular demand, here is another replay pack of decent games I played since the last one. Lots of new ZvZ/ZvP strategies get used in this pack, as I experiment in preparation for the GSL qualifiers.
All games are on the Korean Server
Not every opponent is amazing, as I have had about ~30 disconnects recently which dropped my ladder score.
Feel free to ask any questions about the games, and I will do my best to answer them! I prefer questions specifically about the game, instead of just random open ended theory questions, because those take so long to answer.
EnjoY~~
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before i download, are there any games vs sc1 pros? <3
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I shall watch ZvP so I know what to expect from people who watch this ;D
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thnx again artosis, interested to see the new strats!
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oh jesus yes. Can't wait to watch these, thanks again Artosis ^^
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On October 02 2010 12:38 Artosis wrote:
Q1. Well it matters the matchup. I like roaches zvz on delta quadrant. sometimes i open roaches randomly on Kulas Ravine, just because you have to be unpredictable there. I also am toying around with Korean style ZvP which is atm heavily roach based. Just kinda mixing it up, seeing how it goes.
Can you explain this Korean style of ZvP that you mentioned? I tried doing some Roach heavy play against Toss today, with extra Queens for Creep spread/Antiair and worked pretty well. What are the advantages/disadvantages of going Roach heavy and how does this style do against the US aggressive style PvZ play (4 gate, 3 gate robo, void ray cheese). Thanks
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Awesome! Can't wait to see these. Thanks for answering my questions in thread 1!
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Can u do a brief description of the games, or just point the best ones / xd
thanks
Edit: nevermid. watched 2 but by the quality of the 2 every one seems to be awesome
btw is it just me or protoss in korea 4 gates about every single time ? xD
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On October 07 2010 10:43 prodiG wrote:
before i download, are there any games vs sc1 pros? <3
 SinDoki
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Artosis
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On October 07 2010 10:58 raybasto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 12:38 Artosis wrote:
Q1. Well it matters the matchup. I like roaches zvz on delta quadrant. sometimes i open roaches randomly on Kulas Ravine, just because you have to be unpredictable there. I also am toying around with Korean style ZvP which is atm heavily roach based. Just kinda mixing it up, seeing how it goes.
Can you explain this Korean style of ZvP that you mentioned? I tried doing some Roach heavy play against Toss today, with extra Queens for Creep spread/Antiair and worked pretty well. What are the advantages/disadvantages of going Roach heavy and how does this style do against the US aggressive style PvZ play (4 gate, 3 gate robo, void ray cheese). Thanks
What I call Korean Style is the more roach-heavy play. A lot of koreans love to get roaches early like we saw in the beta before their nerf, and use them all over the place with burrow, etc. Some hydras get mixed in, but mostly roach. I stopped playing like that lately, as I dont think its too good. Still experimenting with roaches in different ways tho.
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Artosis
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On October 07 2010 11:24 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 10:43 prodiG wrote:
before i download, are there any games vs sc1 pros? <3 SinDoki
oh? who was that?
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Yeah personally I'm having most success with mass muta ZvP, with roaches or lings underneath to prevent him from just running 10 zealots into my drones while my mutas are busy. Magic boxing over his army works pretty well against storm, as you can still move magic-boxed mutas and dodge relatively well. I haven't seen too many phoenix-responses, but I think some good phoenix micro could do very well against it (more range, same speed, shoots while moving). Oh and is there any chance you could get your clan mates to drop some replay packs on us? 
Edit: Wait, that's not a question. So, I guess what do you think of mass muta and what do you use nuderneath to support it? Thoughts on using a ground-focused army with mutas over, because mass ground just seems to cluttery and only about half the zerg units are attacking? 1:1 roach:muta ratio?
Oh also, thoughts on the new maps? I haven't played them but close positions on the 2 player map is REALLY REALLY close, I know they can restrict it so that you can't get close positions, but I don't know if Blizzard has this in place for 1v1. I'm liking the huge areas outside the naturals, I think a large ground-army could actually be viable on the 2v2 map.
As for jungle whatever, they can do the delta quadrant warp-in BS here as well. God damnit Blizzard. The pylon will also be nigh unkillable because the swing around is huge. Looks like I'll be keeping lings there to stop the probe or something. Oh and if you want a 3rd you have to take it in the middle of the damn map, not really liking it.
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Wow! Two replay packs within a few days time. You are freaking awesome, Artosis!. Best of luck in your qualifiers; we'll be rooting for you!
I'm excited to watch these replays; I've been having a lot of struggle against fast expanding Protoss and the annoying two pylon ramp block.
BTW, are you casting GSL S2 as well? Terrific job man. You and Tasteless both were really really professional and fun to listen to. Keep it up!
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That roach > nydus ZvZ build is really cool, actually.
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I can't seem to download the pack from the media fire link, an ad always appears over the download button and it never goes away. : (
edit: it's ad block pro.
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Love these thank you so much didn't even have time to watch all of your first pack, better speed up my watching =D
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As a ~600 Diamond I like this
(Just made Diamond league and wish to prance around waving my flag of fake knowledge at people.)
I too am very excited to watch these games and soak some info from them.
Thank you so much!!
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Artosis
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On October 07 2010 12:40 Adeny wrote:Yeah personally I'm having most success with mass muta ZvP, with roaches or lings underneath to prevent him from just running 10 zealots into my drones while my mutas are busy. Magic boxing over his army works pretty well against storm, as you can still move magic-boxed mutas and dodge relatively well. I haven't seen too many phoenix-responses, but I think some good phoenix micro could do very well against it (more range, same speed, shoots while moving). Oh and is there any chance you could get your clan mates to drop some replay packs on us? Edit: Wait, that's not a question. So, I guess what do you think of mass muta and what do you use nuderneath to support it? Thoughts on using a ground-focused army with mutas over, because mass ground just seems to cluttery and only about half the zerg units are attacking? 1:1 roach:muta ratio? Oh also, thoughts on the new maps? I haven't played them but close positions on the 2 player map is REALLY REALLY close, I know they can restrict it so that you can't get close positions, but I don't know if Blizzard has this in place for 1v1. I'm liking the huge areas outside the naturals, I think a large ground-army could actually be viable on the 2v2 map. As for jungle whatever, they can do the delta quadrant warp-in BS here as well. God damnit Blizzard. The pylon will also be nigh unkillable because the swing around is huge. Looks like I'll be keeping lings there to stop the probe or something. Oh and if you want a 3rd you have to take it in the middle of the damn map, not really liking it.
a 1:1 roach/muta ratio would be completely garbage. pure stalker could probably beat that, definitely with some sentry support. ling muta works much better together.
dont know about the new maps yet, seems pretty good so far compared to the otehr maps we have.
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I just watched some very cool infester/roach/hydra ZvPs. Have you ever played around with a quick +1 into mass ling in ZvP? I've been trying it after watching some dimaga replays, but this infester style play seems quite strong.
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