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First days are hard to do anything in, but as with what LSB said, it's always good to target the inactives rather than targeting blindly on Day 1. | ||
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On August 06 2010 10:59 LSB wrote: Jw, why are people voting on Bill Murray? Did I miss something? Nope; the two people that voted on BM didn't post their reasons as to why they did yet, so I guess they're just placeholders? | ||
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On August 06 2010 14:54 Jayme wrote: I still hate voting for inactives on day one because it's so pointless. and the random voting stage is already over after only a few hours...???? Oh incoming bandwagon I believe that this is one of the best ways to start off Day 1; mostly because like it was mentioned before, people do make mistakes and they shouldn't be lynched right away because of a single mistake they made on Day 1. Plus it promotes involvement, but I'm sure everyone's heard this countless times already. On August 06 2010 18:10 DarthThienAn wrote: BM, you're basically introducing an incredibly scummy plan. If you really think mass roleclaim would be beneficial, then please explain why. And "It worked in other games" is not a reason, seeing as how every setup is different. How can you say everyone claiming would be beneficial if you don't even know how many blues we have? Until you elaborate, my vote is on you, even if I don't like the bandwagon on you. "The mafia will be forced to lie, and if we coordinate early enough there is no way we can lose all of our good pieces." Mafia can easily claim townie, or a random blue. We don't know how many of each role there is. So we wouldn't be able to call any of them out on their fake claims. So how would we catch a mafia lying, unless they claimed a role that requires results that we can see? ##vote Bill Murray From what I know of BM, this is classic BM to me (Although the last game I played with him was XXII, so things could have changed.). He promotes some weird plan and the town attacks him. He ends up being Godfather. But from what I can remember, he also pushes plans like these when he's a townie as well. From BM's point of view, this is just a trap for the mafia, because although it would be harder for the town to sift through all the liars in a mass-role claim, it would be harder for the mafia to organize who would claim as what. On August 06 2010 23:18 love1another wrote: I'm a confirmed townie please. Don't kill me plz  Um, hi? If you have time, feel free to type more, since an "activity-check" post won't save you from getting lynched forever. On August 06 2010 22:52 rastaban wrote: I just realized spoiler my plan made it less likely to be seen and critiqued which defeated its purpose so here it is again Plan, Please Review It involves 1 person role claiming TODAY. we then protect this person and use them as a confirmed townie. Now here is where the plan takes shape. Since mafia can stack our protection will fail and he will die, but wait we actually have something even better. a Bus Driver. The bus driver will now perpetually Bus our claimant. Instead of the bus driver being an element of chaos he becomes the towns best medic. Regardless of if they Triple stack him he won't die. Even in the hands of a beginner this role would be now be powerful as they would be certain to using it for good. Another benefit is that it gives the blue roles the knowledge of if they hit the bus driver. Say for a minute that we use the vigilante. Now we can be sure there is only one in this game since it is such a strong role. If a DT checks someone and he gets vigilante then he knows he hit the other end of the chain and will know to disregard that nights reading. We have just eliminated the early chaos that this role generates. The other thing is that the mafia now knows if they risk hitting vig there is a chance it will fire back on them. Ok now I used vig in this example because he seems the best candidate but I could be wrong so town can advise. If we have the vig claim we know there will be only 1 (since otherwise town KP would be crazy) if we get 2 then we lynch both. This means we trade 1 vigilante for 1 Red with a 50% chance that the real vig stays alive. There are a few outliers that could happen and I am considering them now but thought I would put this plan out as early as possible so in case we go with it all parties would have the most time to see what was going on possible. From what I see, bad plan. So much risk for the town while the mafia has to give a small effort to make sure that the town is screwed over. - If mafia roleclaims as a blue, this plan won't work period. - If a real blue does roleclaim, but the bus driver buses the wrong person, we could hit another blue (Perhaps one of out DTs or medics) - The mafia has power-roles that could turn this plan onto the town and the town could be lynching townies on Day 2/3 depending on if this plan is actually implemented. IMO, single roleclaims=bad at any point of the game. Or actually, any type of roleclaims; while it may prove useful to the town, it will always help mafia in killing blues. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:34 rastaban wrote: the other option is that if we have a counter claim we protect neither and have them both shoot each other, the vig dies taking out a red. I almost like this plan method better. But what are going to do for Day 2/Night 2? It's not like we have an endless supply of vigis to keep this plan going. And losing our vigi on Night 1 doesn't sound good to me. Although most of the time, vigis prove to be useless in catching the mafia, sometimes they can pull it off. I am definitely against vigis roleclaiming on Day 1. | ||
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On August 06 2010 23:21 love1another wrote: ##vote rastaban Fuck you rastaban for voting me. First a one-liner in the game thread then a reactive vote towards someone because they were voting a reactive. Mafia or not, this is just being useless to the town :/ On August 06 2010 23:44 chaoser wrote: Well vigi's real role is just a mafia and be done with it so a 1 for 1 trade is pretty good actually. Hm, this would be the best scenario, but how are we going to guarantee a counter-claim from the mafia? And I just read this: You may not use your ability on night 1 because you are too busy out combing Wal-Mart for hockey pants. So rastaban, your plan can't be implemented until Night 2 :/ | ||
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I thought I would have a shitload to catch up through, but it was just arguments for 10 pages :/ I'm liking LSB's plan above me, but the fact that it depends so much on one person scares me. If the watcher does not pull through in this plan, we're going to have to make up another one on Day 2. But I think that it's a risk we can take since it has so much reward if it's done right. I'm believe we should carry out LSB's plan tonight. | ||
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Although I seem convinced about how Foolishness could be scum at this moment, but YM could also be scum as well. I think it would be better if we confirmed then during the Night and go for them tomorrow. I'm also suspicious of Brownbear at this moment, since I don't think a blue role would easily give up their role in that manner. He could have been either let it slip in the heat of the moment, but I definitely see it as a mafia trying to be seen as a blue. I agree with tree.hugger's plan for tonight: confirm BrownBear and Foolishness. Plus like someone mentioned before, it might be a waste to lynch inactives starting from now, since everyday that the town misses a lynch, the easier it is for the mafia to win. But it's been shown that mafia is usually hiding in the inactive players list most of the time. So, would it be better to activate a double lynch for tomorrow and get rid of a suspicious player plus an inactive? | ||
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On August 11 2010 11:24 tree.hugger wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I get back, and some garbage wagon on Pandain is what comes up? I thought I was reading a different game. This sets a new record for shoddy town play. If Pandain were ninja, stands to reason he'd act like mafia, in spreading some deception around. But would mafia claim ninja? That's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard. Because mafia would obviously put a huge target on their backs by claiming a third party elimination role. Who's logic was that? We had a vote between two solidly opposed camps. We had ample evidence to lynch youngminii. The mafia had likely all stacked on BM, because that was the only way to save him. At any rate, we have an excellent opportunity to get a kickass role list of innocent or mafia names. INSTEAD XeliN waltzes in and provides enough "evidence" to start a third party bandwagon that provides the world's most convenient outlet for the mafia. This literally ranks as one of the worst town-plays of all time. And to answer your question in pm's, XeliN, there's no way in hell I'm telling you anything. Your town circle seems to have a hole the size of the titanic, and with the slick move you just pulled off there, I think I'd rather go along with the people I currently trust, and not add a whole host of people who can't keep their mouths shut, and who would rather help the mafia then kill them. Worst town move I think I've ever seen. Good grief. On August 12 2010 11:24 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2010 11:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not going to quote all tree.hugger's posts, but he seemed to be heavily pushing the youngminii wagon and pushing against the BM wagon. This leads me to believe youngminii is most likely innocent since there was a very big chance of said person getting lynched. Also, this puts BM in a bad spotlight. You got it backwards, he wasn't pushing the youngminii lynch very hard, he was just going along with it. There's a big difference. I think that tree.hugger was pushing the youngminii lynch a bit, it's just that wasn't posting as much to make it look like that he was pushing for it. Other than this post, it looks like he was playing pretty-town oriented, but not much FoS was given by him towards other players. On the other hand, he wasn't against the BM lynch that much (From what I gather from his posts) He was pretty much the "stand-back and pretend to contribute to the town" mafia player, as in he was seen around to show the town he was trying to contribute while not accomplishing anything in the long run. What I'm trying to say is that he didn't leave too many clues as to who the other mafia members are. | ||
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On August 09 2010 18:43 DarthThienAn wrote: youngminii definitely mafia... This is following a post that young made. Either Darth was giving sass to young are this was a subtle hint to the town that young is definitely mafia. This goes against what tree.hugger was going with, but it could also mean that tree.hugger was going for the "confirmed to be townie" image if he did get the town to lynch young and he ended up flipping red. He also does an analysis on larjarse: On August 10 2010 17:21 DarthThienAn wrote: This last post by larjarse made me want to check him out... + Show Spoiler + On August 06 2010 09:41 larjarse wrote: Also voting BrownBear cuz' I feel like. BB got roleblocked that night... interesting Note that he didn't vote for BB, he voted for BM. lol o.OAlso note the really long time difference o.o On August 06 2010 10:55 larjarse wrote: ##Vote: Bill Murray Eh, that's pretty fair =P. On August 06 2010 14:44 larjarse wrote: BTW this leaves BillMurray and divinek tied at 3 votes each. thats cool. On August 06 2010 14:57 larjarse wrote: I would say BillMurray's concern about not being randomly voted to be killed justifies that he probably isn't a Townie. interesting read On August 06 2010 15:04 larjarse wrote: Can you stop talking about previous games? It kind of ruins the fun. no comment here. On August 07 2010 01:50 larjarse wrote: LOLing that noone said anything about this. And once he proclaimed that he is a townie, he was voted by rastaban and chaoser. Suspiciousssoo suspiciousooo is right. On August 07 2010 01:54 larjarse wrote: TBH rastaban is also looking quite suspicious. He is trying to do so much planning as a townie. I WANT THE MAN DEAD okay. so vote for him? yet, you say that and vote for bm later. errr. On August 07 2010 02:11 larjarse wrote: Valid point, rastaban. I am just G checking you to get some text.. As you can see, I haven't change my vote. Ah that explains it. Dude you so G. On August 07 2010 12:00 larjarse wrote: Divinek saying I spam spam spam on pg 23: This is my first game. You also excluded my posts that had content. So vote me if you please and calm down your e rage, bro. I voted BM becauese I instinctively feel like he's up to no good. If he's actually good, then oh well, it was a 1/6 chance anyways and it's only the first day. Many can sit here and theroize why people posted what and everthing, but you probably aren't going to know who anyone is today. lol. okay. dats cool. Pyrrhuloxia United States. August 07 2010 10:12. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early.. I agree! Divinek again targeting me on pg 25: speaking of which lets have a look at some inactive or people that have posted basically nothing thus far 1)lasjarles(or whatever) !!! And the roleblocker/framer can change the entire story. Divinek seems sure that BM is going to be watched tonight and is posting his expected results to further defend BM and thus fuck over the town if he is actually scum. So lets lynch him, and see what happens. Reading more bickering yadda yadda.. Okay lets just lynch BM and see what happens. Okey? Ok. Then maybe DivineK. Reading more yadda yadda... Okay lets just lynch larjarse and see what happens. Okey? Ok. Then maybe youngminiI. On August 07 2010 13:06 larjarse wrote: Sure. Its day 1 and there is 31 pages of speculation. thats kinda the game of mafia. It's a "GUESSING game of EPIC proportions." On August 07 2010 13:06 larjarse wrote: ..Meaning the simple one. lolz Think he was referring to plans here. But I really don't know On August 07 2010 13:39 larjarse wrote: Divinek, I have PMed flamewheel several times with questions so callate la voca. dats cool. I talk to flamewheel lots too . Though we mostly scheme and plot about how we can laugh at you all in my next game.On August 08 2010 03:48 larjarse wrote: I am AIM if anyone wants to chat: DaWg2631 That's cute. Are you on eHarmony too? On August 10 2010 06:28 larjarse wrote: This is ten pages back. I wanted to do this day 1. Why dont we just lynch BM and see what happens? All these vets are so caught up in the scheming that they are afraid to go against other vets. nah, I'm not scared. On August 10 2010 16:51 larjarse wrote: Opz sup with that retarded list that randomly states your opinion about players of this game? I'm not really goonna add anything more today besides that we should lynch one of the heavy hitters to see what happens. I voted for BillMurray. I did day one too. We lynched a townie and 2 townies were hit. There is not much evidence about who did what because no plan fell though and today isn't looking to hot for blue/green plans either. I am reading the thread and all I see is a lot of speculation. I am taking things into consideration as I gather opinions and potential intended motives from posters. Lets lynch this BillMurray character and see whats good. Grow a pair, TOWN! If the thread is all speculation, then why do you want to vote Bill Murray so badly? Basically, this guy is suspect. For the most part, he's already, a bit useless etc. but that's w/e. A lot of us are being like that. Dunno. Just something for you all to think about. He has a lot of bad posts. Doesn't make him guilty, just suspicious. The fact that his vote has been on BM for awhile helps him out though on the town-o-meter. Now this is assuming he followed the plan on Night 1, which I assume he did. Not to get myself confused, tracker is like a DT, except they can only see the roles of the people that decide to visit the person they choose right? | ||
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On August 12 2010 11:54 youngminii wrote: Trackers don't see roles, they see people. Alright, I didn't see that clearly -.- Then Darth's accusations can't be more concrete than what the town was saying. :/ | ||
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On August 13 2010 07:49 Misder wrote: QUOTE]On August 13 2010 06:12 Bill Murray wrote: @Misder, what are your thoughts on SouthRawrEa's alignment? I think that he is town. I'm not sure about the the blue role or the green though. I don't think he would be attacking someone this hard if he was mafia, unless I was some big name, sorta like Pyrr against DTA in the last mafia game. I think that he just thinks I'm part of the mafia, which I'm fine with. Is there a reason for this? On August 13 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote: misderection I would be glad to defend myself, if you actually have a reason. Personally, I think this makes you more scummy as you are just randomly saying people are scum without any reason.[/QUOTE] BM does this all the time. It should be taken lightly most of the time. | ||
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On August 16 2010 12:03 BrownBear wrote: Seriously, why haven't we fucking killed this clown yet? It's funny to see him post! :D | ||
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I was out of the house when the PMs came in, so that kinda created confusion :O | ||
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