Team Melee Mini Mafia

On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:


just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist?

I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch

My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.

So, we have the team list!

I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared



List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +



Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here:
his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder...

Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier

Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory

I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.

On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...

my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.

what do you better players think of who we should lynch?

On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.

On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:


How is it an OMGUS when he voted for me just like an hour ago? I've been saying this guy is scummy for like 20 hours. I don't care if you show up, your buddy on your team is scummy.

If you really read my post you would see that I am advocating lynching one of 4 teams, not just yours. I am advocating lynching a team without someone who has voted first. I picked yours because I have reasons not to pick the other ones. Team 9 are split, Team 1 are inactive, and I feel like Team 3 are probably newer players. Your team doesn't have a real excuse for your scumminess and lack of voting someone first which makes me feel like you are the best lynch candidate and who will be lynched unless Radfield and Korynne come out and both vote for Chez and I which would indicate that they are probably scum (at least to me, as I am privy to my role PM)


It would give us LOADS of information bro. Zyrre was kissing up to someone not on his team earlier in the thread for no apparent reason. If he flips red I have major FoS on someone.



Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.

i KNOW voting for me is bad for the town.

I have also heard there is a trend with 3rd voters being scum. Lets analyze who put the 3rd vote on teams:
lets see who was the 3rd to vote for team 7:

hmm. LaXerCannon is with bumatlarge. I *did* have minor fos on him with his argument from yellowink in which he appeared sort of scummy early on.

the third vote on my team ->

Funny it's from team 7. Every "method" I can think of points to them somehow.

On June 23 2010 21:54 Bill Murray wrote:Hmm... you do have a point there.
I guess my original gut instinct on you was off. I am not the best scum-hunter, and the fact that a lot of townies are following who I am voting for makes me a little worried. The only problem is, if they do not vote WITH me, they are typically voting FOR me.

On June 24 2010 01:06 YellowInk wrote:
Lynching inactives is more a policy of encouragement to me than anything else. For instance, consider how many votes were (still are!) on team 7. Nikon and Zyrre have posted recently with much more enthusiasm of late. If they were not on the block to be lynched, would they have been quite as active as they are now? Many of their posts are more strongly worded because they are looking to persuade people towards voting elsewhere.

On June 23 2010 15:42 stormtemplar wrote:
## unvote team 2
## Vote team 7

No point, better to lynch inactives anyway and wait for more clues to surface.

On June 24 2010 03:20 Bill Murray wrote:
thanks for letting me know that I should probably shift my vote back, though. I really like team 7, but this is proof that even when I convince someone they are too slovenly to act... or whatever it is. i know i'm not red, so me dying is 100% me flipping town to me. team 7 is 25% to me. simple math.

On June 26 2010 02:22 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.

On June 27 2010 02:08 LaXerCannon wrote:


I've said nothing along the lines In fact, my "attack" was nothing more of my thoughts on your post and nothing more. If you notice, I refrained from posting a conclusion so as to not slight you or your obvious pride. In fact, you stand accusing me of accusing you while if you notice, I have done nothing of the sort.

Perhaps I can reply to your post with some substance if you actually create an argument.

On June 27 2010 04:34 BrownBear wrote:
Since Nikon doesn't think my posts are worth reading, apparently, I'm going to ask one more time, and he has until his next post to answer me before I change my vote to him.

Nikon - please explain exactly where I can't distinguish between 1 and 2. You really have to answer people's questions if you don't want to appear scummy.

On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:
Even if you were to assume that we were dumb enough to do that, you would also have to assume that the mafia team we are paired with is stupid enough to go along with that...
If you go by the reasoning that team 4 and L are smart enough to hold back from lynching each other, then it is reasonable that one of them is mafia. The mafia would probably rather hit one of the two major townie teams arguing than the two inactive and suspected teams. If neither team 4 or 6 were mafia, then surely the mafia would want the town jump on the one not killed.
I don't suspect L right now because Caller dropped out and L argued against team1(rad/kory),4 recently, sort of supporting the ever scummy team 9.

On June 27 2010 07:01 DCLXVI wrote:

LOL I wrote that not BB (even if - scummy team 9)

Catching up on the thread nowish post more late, just wanted to point out this obvious JEEP if thats what you call it

On June 26 2010 05:04 BrownBear wrote:


Well, that's the thing: Ive played with L before, and I know he knows how stuff like this works. I haven't really played with either of you ever, so I have no clue if you would know whether that's an obvious scumtell or not. It's pretty soft evidence, thats why I didn't outright accuse you: I'm just saying that your voting pattern, posting patterns, and the game events make you somewhat suspicious. Not scummy, just suspicious.

As for your logic behind the Team 4 vs L thing... The thing is, both L and Team 4 had arguments with Team 2... and I'm reasonably sure L is smart enough to not ragekill them, and I know for sure that Ace and DTA are smart enough to not ragekill them. Thus, I'm not really looking at those arguments as saying anything, other than Team 4 and Team L look less suspicious. That said, DTA is a masterful player, and can easily appear clean when he isn't. This doesn't mean I'm accusing him at all ( <3 you DTA :3 ) but I am watching him closer than I would a newbie.

(what, me, sore about last game? Nevar! :D)

I still think you and Divinek need to step up and look less suspicious, though. There is not much to go on for this day, so even appearing suspicious can be deadly.

And Team 7 needs to step the fuck up, seriously.

On June 27 2010 07:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
Everyone that posted on the last page - LaXer, Nikon, BB, DCLXVI - what exactly are you talking/arguing about, and what's your point?

On June 28 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Pages 1-29 or so: almost NOTHING of substance. Like seriously. They didn't even have to post to get out of being lynched thanks to BM-Chez playing the retard card and getting lynched for it.

On June 28 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Secondly, why would L push for killing Team 1 right after having an argument with them? L knows that if there's a public argument in a thread, and then one party in that argument dies, the other party tends to get lynched for "shutting up" the other person. It's a pretty weak reason to lynch someone, because mafia knows about it too and will lynch one half of a townie argument to throw suspicion on the other townie. I don't buy L double-faking us out like that.

So Nikon's logic is flawed,