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Ysorigin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States82 Posts
May 17 2010 05:26 GMT
#1
I don't know if this article was discussed at all but I thought that it might be an interesting discussion. In short the TLDR version is that a new "earth" was found, a planet that is made of rock and has earthly temperatures. The article itself also has some pretty pictures but none of them were that important.

It's got the same climate as Earth, plus water and gravity. A newly discovered planet is the most stunning evidence that life - just like us - might be out there. Above a calm, dark ocean, a huge, bloated red sun rises in the sky - a full ten times the size of our Sun as seen from Earth. Small waves lap at a sandy shore and on the beach, something stirs...

This is the scene - or may be the scene - on what is possibly the most extraordinary world to have been discovered by astronomers: the first truly Earth-like planet to have been found outside our Solar System.
The discovery was announced today by a team of European astronomers, using a telescope in La Silla in the Chilean Andes. If forced bookies to slash odds on the existence of alien beings.
The Earth-like planet that could be covered in oceans and may support life is 20.5 light years away, and has the right temperature to allow liquid water on its surface.

This remarkable discovery appears to confirm the suspicions of most astronomers that the universe is swarming with Earth-like worlds.
We don't yet know much about this planet, but scientists believe that it may be the best candidate so far for supporting extraterrestrial life.
The new planet, which orbits a small, red star called Gliese 581, is about one-and-a-half times the diameter of the Earth.
It probably has a substantial atmosphere and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve - and, most importantly, temperatures are very similar to those on our world.

It is the first exoplanet (a planet orbiting a star other than our own Sun) that is anything like our Earth.
Of the 220 or so exoplanets found to date, most have either been too big, made of gas rather than solid material, far too hot, or far too cold for life to survive.
"On the treasure map of the Universe, one would be tempted to mark this planet with an X," says Xavier Delfosse, one of the scientists who discovered the planet.
"Because of its temperature and relative proximity, this planet will most probably be a very important target of the future space missions dedicated to the search for extraterrestrial life."
Gliese 581 is among the closest stars to us, just 20.5 light years away (about 120 trillion miles) in the constellation Libra. It is so dim it can be seen only with a good telescope.
Because all planets are relatively so small and the light they give off so faint compared to their sun, finding exoplanets is extremely difficult unless they are huge.
Those that have so far been detected have mostly been massive, Jupiter-like balls of gas that almost certainly cannot be home to life.
This new planet - known for the time being as Gliese 581c - is a midget in comparison, being about 12,000 miles across (Earth is a little under 8,000 pole-to-pole).
It has a mass five times that of Earth, probably made of the same sort of rock as makes up our world and with enough gravity to hold a substantial atmosphere.
Astrobiologists - scientists who study the possibility of alien life - refer to a climate known as the Goldilocks Zone, where it is not so cold that water freezes and not so hot that it boils, but where it can lie on the planet's surface as a liquid.
In our solar system, only one planet - Earth -lies in the Goldilocks Zone. Venus is far too hot and Mars is just too cold. This new planet lies bang in the middle of the zone, with average surface temperatures estimated to be between zero and 40c (32-102f). Lakes, rivers and even oceans are possible.
It is not clear what this planet is made of. If it is rock, like the Earth, then its surface may be land, or a combination of land and ocean.
Another possibility is that Gliese 581c was formed mostly from ice far from the star (ice is a very common substance in the Universe), and moved to the close orbit it inhabits today.
In which case its entire surface will have melted to form a giant, planet-wide ocean with no land, save perhaps a few rocky islands or icebergs.
The surface gravity is probably around twice that of the Earth and the atmosphere could be similar to ours.
Although the new planet is in itself very Earth-like, its solar system is about as alien as could be imagined. The star at the centre - Gliese 581 - is small and dim, only about a third the size of our Sun and about 50 times cooler.
The two other planets are huge, Neptune-sized worlds called Gliese 581b and d (there is no "a", to avoid confusion with the star itself).
The Earth-like planet orbits its sun at a distance of only six million miles or so (our Sun is 93 million miles away), travelling so fast that its "year" only lasts 13 of our days.
The parent star would dominate the view from the surface - a huge red ball of fire that must be a spectacular sight.
It is difficult to speculate what - if any - life there is on the planet. If there is life there it would have to cope with the higher gravity and solar radiation from its sun.
Just because Gliese 581c is habitable does not mean that it is inhabited, but we do know its sun is an ancient star - in fact, it is one of the oldest stars in the galaxy, and extremely stable. If there is life, it has had many billions of years to evolve.
This makes this planet a prime target in the search for life. According to Seth Shostak, of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute in California, the Gliese system is now a prime target for a radio search. 'We had actually looked at this system before but only for a few minutes. We heard nothing, but now we must look again.'
By 2020 at least one space telescope should be in orbit, with the capability of detecting signs of life on planets orbiting nearby stars. If oxygen or methane (tell-tale biological gases) are found in Gliese 581c's atmosphere, this would be good circumstantial evidence for life.
Dr Malcolm Fridlund, a European Space Agency scientist, said the discovery of Gliese 581c was "an important step" on the road to finding life.
"If this is a rocky planet, it's very likely it will have liquid water on its surface, which means there may also be life."
The real importance is not so much the discovery of this planet itself, but the fact that it shows that Earth-like planets are probably extremely common in the Universe.
There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone and many astronomers believe most of these stars have planets.
The fact that almost as soon as we have built a telescope capable of detecting small, earth-like worlds, one turns up right on our cosmic doorstep, shows that statistically, there are probably billions of earths out there.
As Seth Shostak says: "We've never found one close to being like the Earth until now. We are finding that Earth is not such an unusual puppy in the litter of planets."
But are these alien Earths home to life? No one knows. We don't understand how life began on our world, let alone how it could arise anywhere else. There may be an awful lot of bugs and bacteria out there, and only a few worlds with what we would recognise as plants and animals. Or, of course, there may be nothing.
The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute uses radio telescopes to try to pick up messages sent by alien civilisations.
Interestingly, Gliese 581c is so close to the Earth that if its putative inhabitants only had our level of technology, they could - just about - pick up some of our radio signals, such as the most powerful military transmitters. Quite what would happen if we for our part did receive a signal is unclear.
"There is a protocol, buried away in the United Nations," says Dr Shostak. "The President would be told first, after the signal was confirmed by other observatories. But we couldn't keep such a discovery secret."
It may be some time before we detect any such signals, but it is just possible that today we are closer than ever to finding life in the stars.

William Hill said it had shortened the odds on proving the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence from 1,000-1 to 100-1.
Spokesman Graham Sharpe said: "We would face a possible eight-figure payout if it were to be confirmed that intelligent life of extra-terrestrial origin exists. We felt we had to react to the news that an earth-like planet which could support intelligent life had been discovered - after all, we don't know for sure that intelligent extraterrestrial life has not already been discovered."
The new planet, so far unnamed, is 20.5 light years away and orbits a red dwarf star called Gliese 581.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-450467/Found-20-light-years-away-New-Earth.html


I always thought there would be some planets out there that would be able to support humans, but I find it strange that the first thing scientists want to check out is if there was extra-terrestial life there. Does anyone know how a telescope would be able to tell if there is life, as discussed in the article?
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Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 17 2010 05:29 GMT
#2
I want to live to be old enough where we are able to "move" to this planet. Earth is getting pretty boring yo
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
May 17 2010 05:32 GMT
#3
One could try focusing radio-telescopes to listen if they've been using radio waves etc for communications. If they're at a similar stage to us x years before now, we could potentially listen in to them, all we'd need are "compatible receivers"
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:35:11
May 17 2010 05:34 GMT
#4
Interesting, I figured it was only a matter of time before habitable planets started to be found by astronomers. I'm sure there is life somewhere in the universe, and that would be amazing if life were discovered on such a planet. Unfortunately I don't see us going there any time soon. At 20.5 lightyears away it looks as if its going to be a while before we can check it out .

I'm curious what the odds are of finding an earth-like planet with similar gravity. With double the gravity as earth and increased solar radiation it hardly sounds like a "habitable" planet. At least not for humans.
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
May 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#5
On May 17 2010 14:32 Ciryandor wrote:
One could try focusing radio-telescopes to listen if they've been using radio waves etc for communications. If they're at a similar stage to us x years before now, we could potentially listen in to them, all we'd need are "compatible receivers"


Would that really work? Afterall, 20 lightyears is pretty far away, do we have radio-telescopes powerful enough to pick up any radio waves from there?
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 17 2010 05:36 GMT
#6
On May 17 2010 14:32 Ciryandor wrote:
One could try focusing radio-telescopes to listen if they've been using radio waves etc for communications. If they're at a similar stage to us x years before now, we could potentially listen in to them, all we'd need are "compatible receivers"


Yeah, that would be very cool. We haven't been around for very long and we've already been spamming radio waves into the sky for years .
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:42:35
May 17 2010 05:39 GMT
#7
On May 17 2010 14:26 Ysorigin wrote:
Does anyone know how a telescope would be able to tell if there is life, as discussed in the article?


The way the article put it(detecting gases in the atmosphere), it sounds like the telescope would be a very powerful spectrophotometer that could examine the light coming from the planet and determine it's properties.

It wouldn't be able to detect the life itself, but signs that life is there. For example, oxygen is relatively scarce on rocky planets(nearly all of ours came from early life), so if there's a decent amount of it then it's a good sign for life on the planet.
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 17 2010 05:39 GMT
#8
On May 17 2010 14:36 endGame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:32 Ciryandor wrote:
One could try focusing radio-telescopes to listen if they've been using radio waves etc for communications. If they're at a similar stage to us x years before now, we could potentially listen in to them, all we'd need are "compatible receivers"


Would that really work? Afterall, 20 lightyears is pretty far away, do we have radio-telescopes powerful enough to pick up any radio waves from there?


I don't know anything about radio telescopes, but we've been using them to check out distant planets and stars for a while have we not? I suppose you would need some immense resolution to be able to detect subtle radio communications over that of the nearby star though.
BlueApex
Profile Joined May 2010
63 Posts
May 17 2010 05:40 GMT
#9
simply amazing, good post
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:42:24
May 17 2010 05:41 GMT
#10
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 17 2010 05:41 GMT
#11
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.
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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
May 17 2010 05:43 GMT
#12
So if a kid is 10 years old, and boards a spaceship that can go 50% of lightspeed, even then he will become 50yo by the time he reaches that planet?

:/

Fat chance any of us will make there during our lifetime.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 17 2010 05:45 GMT
#13
This is incredibly cool

Something new to learn every day, I suppose.

If there was intelligent life, I assume they would look extremely different due to the closeness of the sun and solar radiation etc. Maybe they would look like effort :D
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
May 17 2010 05:45 GMT
#14
On May 17 2010 14:36 endGame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:32 Ciryandor wrote:
One could try focusing radio-telescopes to listen if they've been using radio waves etc for communications. If they're at a similar stage to us x years before now, we could potentially listen in to them, all we'd need are "compatible receivers"


Would that really work? Afterall, 20 lightyears is pretty far away, do we have radio-telescopes powerful enough to pick up any radio waves from there?

Well it worked in Contact and that was written by Carl Sagan so I'm going to say yessir
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:49:41
May 17 2010 05:46 GMT
#15
On May 17 2010 14:43 orgolove wrote:
So if a kid is 10 years old, and boards a spaceship that can go 50% of lightspeed, even then he will become 50yo by the time he reaches that planet?

:/

Fat chance any of us will make there during our lifetime.


Yeah, but hey, I like the idea of earth over 2x gravity and really bad sunburns or cancer from additional solar radiation. Who knows if the planet even has an Ozone layer or an atmosphere that isn't filled with crap that will kill us. Personally id rather chill here and enjoy my life than get shoved into a metal tube and then end up on that planet lol. I really don't think space travel is going to be a viable option for quite a long time. I'm more looking forward to fusion power solving the energy requirements of the human race and world peace and whatnot lol. Though, there are some crazies who say that through nanotechnology, gene therapy etc. that we will be able to become immortal in 50-60 years time.

I don't even want to imagine the physiological effects on humans from 2x gravity. You would probably be a cripple after a week, and your heart would have to work so much harder. This place doesn't sound that great TBH. Sounds more like an option for mining water or other precious materials in the distant future imo.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
May 17 2010 05:47 GMT
#16
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20020 Posts
May 17 2010 05:51 GMT
#17
On May 17 2010 14:43 orgolove wrote:
So if a kid is 10 years old, and boards a spaceship that can go 50% of lightspeed, even then he will become 50yo by the time he reaches that planet?

:/

Fat chance any of us will make there during our lifetime.


Thats not how age works when you're traveling at that speed.

Anyways, this is very cool news..It's hard to imagine a world of water...just water holding more water to itself??
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
May 17 2010 05:51 GMT
#18
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.



....lol.

Id like to know what kind of marijuana you smoke.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 05:56:56
May 17 2010 05:52 GMT
#19
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.


Huh? I assume you're talking about Europa and I havn't heard anything about life. I figure that would be a big deal.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 17 2010 05:52 GMT
#20
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.


I think you are confusing this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116116
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