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WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
May 17 2010 05:52 GMT
#21
It may not be long till we start colonizing these planets now , now im just thinking, would they use our time zone? or would they use theres? cause they would be like old while there still young? if that made any sense

Like 13 days for a year? so in a normal year there going to be 28 years old? interesting
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
May 17 2010 05:55 GMT
#22
On May 17 2010 14:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.


I think you are confusing this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116116


oops...XD
im deaf
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
May 17 2010 05:57 GMT
#23
On May 17 2010 14:55 imBLIND wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.


I think you are confusing this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116116


oops...XD


You're BLIND!!
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
May 17 2010 06:03 GMT
#24
Time dilation would mean that the faster we go, (nearer to light-speed), the slower time flows, but this only takes effect at very high speed, which is at approximately 10%+ of it. There IS a formula for calculating dilation, i.e. if travelling @ x% light speed, how much slower time would take compared to an Earth reference point.

However, human travel would be impractical as a whole. If we wanted to explore space, we won't be doing it ourselves. Instead, we'd probably be seeding it w/ robotic probes, which are more efficient and less risky over-all for long term travel, and it would also require a collective species effort to get them to relativistic speeds that would make travel in the interstellar medium possible.

As for detecting communications, it's almost guaranteed, because the bandwidth they'll be using is unpopulated by natural sources. We use bandwidth that no stellar nor natural process can interfere with, and any civilization would likely do the same.
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lowbright
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
308 Posts
May 17 2010 06:03 GMT
#25
On May 17 2010 14:57 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 14:55 imBLIND wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:47 imBLIND wrote:
On May 17 2010 14:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I just want to live long enough for life to be discovered elsewhere whether it is microscopic in size or whatnot, this solar system or elsewhere. Will be a life changing day for everyone.


They found a shrimp on one of jupiter's moons. Forgot which one was it.


I think you are confusing this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116116


oops...XD


You're BLIND!!


hahahaha
at least he has a viable excuse
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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
May 17 2010 06:06 GMT
#26
I've always been fascinated by space travel and extraterrestrial life. I DO hope that with gene therapy and nanotechnology humans can prolong their lifes by absurd amounts to see this stuff happen. First extend the lives of scientists :D
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PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
May 17 2010 06:10 GMT
#27
On May 17 2010 14:45 Navi wrote:
This is incredibly cool

Something new to learn every day, I suppose.

If there was intelligent life, I assume they would look extremely different due to the closeness of the sun and solar radiation etc. Maybe they would look like effort :D

haha i lol'd. Prolly not though - unless there were hefty deposits of nuclear gases and such...
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
May 17 2010 06:10 GMT
#28
I love hearing good news like this!
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
HypnoShroom
Profile Joined April 2010
United States16 Posts
May 17 2010 06:21 GMT
#29
Although this article is about 3 years old, and its since been found that the planet is unlikely to be habitable, it is thought provoking.

I think that scientists will find a way to definitively check for life, but the chance of finding intelligent life is pretty much zero. They would only find microbes.
While finding extraterrestrial life may be glorious, it doesn't really mean anything for us earthlings (save for maybe use as evidence in creation arguments). It's not really going to affect our lives.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 06:24:41
May 17 2010 06:22 GMT
#30
There is a book by Micheal Corey called "The God Hypothesis".
It basically goes over in detail the countless huge coincidences that make this universe able to produce a planet like ours. And, in doing so in the time frame it did, seems to make it look like a universe almost designed to produce planets, in a hugely random fashion, that could sustain life.

2 planets, that we know of so far, most anyone should know- probably means there are tons and tons of them out there. And out of these, a good few could possibly sustain life.

I'll briefly list some of the very unlikely things that he observes are happening in "our" universe.

+ Show Spoiler +
The universe is theorized to be about 15 billion years old, with the earth forming at 4.5 billion years ago. That gave 10 billion years from the bang, to allow the universe to create all the "heavier" elements that make up our bodies (Carbon, iron, potassium, etc). From the cauldron of the big bang, to producing stars big enough to create these elements, then to them collapsing to produce the elements- then exploding to redistribute them back to the universe to be sucked in to the creation of a solar system as ours- in theory- could happen no SOONER than 10 billion years. Because- all the materials had to be there when our solar system started forming. This means that our planet formed as SOON as it could have given the length of time needed to create it. If it were truly a "random" event- you would expect it to take some time to actually produce. But- as unlikely as it was, it happened almost immediately.

The odds against making just 1 cell. Given all the materials needed to make a cell, in the exact proportions, in a contained environment, is still an amazingly improbable occurrence. With all the exact molecules needed, it would still take Trillions of Trillions of permutations to create a cell. Some theories to the underlying order of atomic structure are presented as possible catalysts to hasten the production of cells.

The possible occurrences from a Big-Bang like event. An explosion of that size, to distribute itself as it did, into ordered atoms and particles- at the perfect speed to not collapse back in on itself, but to continue to expand apparently indefinitely is obviously an amazing orchestra of occurrences and values such as the Universal Constant (a number Einstein discovered on accident) the Strong and Weak nuclear force, and Electromagnetism. Assuming all of these forces could have assumed any number at all given a "random" generation... the perfect harmony they appear to exist in is staggering. He theorizes some about the results of changing the Universal Constant by .0000001... and explains that the most likely result of an occurrence as mind numbingly large as the Big Bang would be either something that would immediately collapse again.... or spit out a bunch of clustered Di-Protons or Black Holes that would be useless for producing planets and suns and the like. The balance needed to create the diversity in structures we see- seems to have been very unlikely to say the least.

Lastly, he theorizes that the Purpose- had their been a creator- is to create epistemic distance. This distance, is need to implement Free Will. The free will argument permeates religion as much as it does Atheism, for are we living in a perfect Clockwork Universe (Newton) or a totally random universe (Plank)... neither would afford us any real "Free Will". Theoretically, if God just created you- right in front of him... you could be said to have no Free Will at all- because you can too easily trace all of your behaviors and feelings right to the beginning. Though, given the format of this universe- God has essentially insulated himself from life, and its creation, to effectively remove his own influence somehow- through Quantum Mechanics or actual epistemic separation- to give the life created actual- certifiable free will. Completely and totally independent of its creator.

I myself am agnostic, neither believer or non, I don't claim to know anything. But this was by far one of the most interesting books I've read.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 17 2010 06:22 GMT
#31
wow this is cool
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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
May 17 2010 06:25 GMT
#32
I always wonder... If there are actually aliens out there capable of travelling to this planet, is it really prudent to be throwing radio waves and other noise in their direction? While we would undoubtedly be fascinated by finding extraterrestrial life, what if finding alien species is nothing special to them and all we're doing with our radio waves is annoying them (sort've like a person constantly honking their horn annoys the crap out of the rest of us just sitting around trying to mind our own business).

Does anyone else ever wonder if we may be irking potentially violent alien species to capable of interstellar travel to come and annihilate or enslave humanity? I will go ahead and assume if they're capable of travelling between the stars to reach us, we'd probably be completely screwed in any conflict from a technological standpoint... And it's not even like we'd be able to communicate with them right off the bat to explain to them why we're harassing them either.
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
May 17 2010 06:36 GMT
#33
I'll represent SC for that planet. OH~~ CYBERIA~~ LAND SURROUNDED BY SEA~~
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Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
May 17 2010 06:40 GMT
#34
That is really cool. But being 20.5 light years away I fail to see how we would ever manage to get there. Communication would be really difficult as well.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 17 2010 06:42 GMT
#35
Watch them name it Korhal or Char or even Aiur! God please! Hopefully there is a competition for naming rights. One of us could win!
onewingedmoogle
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada434 Posts
May 17 2010 06:43 GMT
#36
how is it possible for a satellite to be in orbit by 2020 if its more than 20 light years away? isnt it too far out of reach?
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
May 17 2010 06:44 GMT
#37
Orbit around Earth.
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ammeL
Profile Joined August 2009
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 06:49:27
May 17 2010 06:46 GMT
#38
Very interesting, indeed.

It was about time that an Earth-like planet was found; everyone (scientists, at least) knew there were planets similar to Earth out there. Inevitably, other life within this universe of infinite proportions will be found, as well.
Those who criticize our generation forget who raised it.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 17 2010 06:48 GMT
#39
lol at the "could have liquid water, necessary for life."

Who says water is the only possible compound capable of supporting life? Its just the one that won out on earth.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 07:18:59
May 17 2010 06:54 GMT
#40
On May 17 2010 15:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
lol at the "could have liquid water, necessary for life."

Who says water is the only possible compound capable of supporting life? Its just the one that won out on earth.

Water is crazy shit. Something about how its a polar molecule, when its liquid, and allows for the suspension and interaction of Ions like other liquids do not. It's some crazy mumbo jumbo- I don't pretend to understand it but it made sense when I heard it.

edit: Water is polar at the molecular level. It has a slightly negative side and a slightly positive side. This makes it bond magnetically to itself, so it has surface tension and remains liquid in a wide range of temperatures before becoming gas. Also, the polarity makes the positive side bond to Negative ions and the Negative side bond to Positive ions. This is called adhesion and allows the ions to be suspended in the water. This property is what makes molecules form in water that would normally not be able to form. Any atomic liquid (ie: Mercury) is not going to be polar and allow for diffusion of Ions. Likewise, larger liquid molecules don't usually form without the presence of water, and, even if they were present- aren't usually as neatly polar as water molecules are. The formation of proteins, carbon chains and lipids is essentially impossible without the suspension properties of water.
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