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I'll be sharing my thoughts when I get back (In like 5 hours).As to what Radfield had said, I think inactivity might be a better criteria to look (Not saying that should be our only criteria) since a quiet, non-active townie is not going to help the town win. | ||
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On April 18 2010 06:17 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 18 2010 06:09 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, we should plan for worst case scenarios - but we all know that the game will 95% not be over on day 3. This plays into the timing of double lynch. I think we should wait no longer than Day 4 to do it (meaning we vote for double lynch on Day 3). However this is all dependent on the events of the previous days. If we're in a hole, might want to start it on Day 3; or if we catch some reds via DT or they scumtell. Often i find these time limits for town are a useful thought experiment but rarely if ever do the games actually play out that way Day four seems like a long time to wait to use our first double lynch. We get three of them this game, and if people are talking about town possibly being in trouble by day 4 or 5 we may not get to use them all. That would be unfortunate. I'm not necessarily saying we should use them super early, but we should at least think about it. The danger would be trimming down our numbers even more if we're wrong, but that danger always exists with lynching. If we did vote for the double lynch, and then were unsure of who to take out, the option also exists to avoid a majority vote and not lynch a second person(although i'm not sure that makes sense to waste it like that). Also, is that even allowed? Can we vote for the double lynch and then end up only lynching one person? I think Radfield is right; we should use our double lynch earlier. Although people might argue that we have less of a chance to hit one mafia with the double lynch, it also lowers the chances of hitting a blue role if we do it on day one or two, instead of waiting until day 3 or 4. | ||
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On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote: I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on? I don't think so; because the later the game goes on, the ratio between mafia and townie gets closer to 1:1. So saying if we don't get any mafia kills at all for the first few days, mafia could easily rig the second lynch to kill a townie they want dead. | ||
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On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Clues: No clues. I will not have the time, most likely. I don't think there will be any clues in the day posts with the deaths, unless you guys are referring to the reactions of people after the night post. O.o | ||
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On April 18 2010 08:52 Jugan wrote: I just wanna say i got the role that i usually am guys. i wanna see the clues already :O so bored First of all: On April 18 2010 07:26 KF91 wrote: I don't think there will be any clues in the day posts with the deaths, unless you guys are referring to the reactions of people after the night post. O.o And second, how are we supposed to believe you that you got the role that you usually get? From what I can search, you've only played in Incognito's Mafia XVI? | ||
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And what if some of the people decide not to follow along with your plan and the assassins kill whoever they want? How will we be able to weed out the assassins/reds from there? | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:32 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I thought Caller made a lot of sense, members of the mafia would want to post frequently early on so they are not lynched for being inactive but they also don't want to actually say much in their posts because the more they say the more chance of being proven scum. Very true. But I really don't think that's the trend that is happening in this game. Mostly because people are generally lazy during Day 1; there's nothing to work with usually and posting could result in a lynch. I'm leaning more towards the inactivity = suspicion of mafia, but I guess that would put me in the spotlight as well since I haven't posted that much since the game started. On April 19 2010 06:41 Fishball wrote: I was out for the second half of the day yesterday till late. I only woke up now. I'm curious why you call me out though. So BM made a list, similar to Ace's proposal in Caller's Russia Mafia, and a lot of people have already pointed out the flaws. It's hard to tell whether BM is an Assassin trying to hunt for other Assassins, or a plain townie just trying to contribute. Then we also have a small group of people jumping on Caller for being "inactive". I'm sorry I'm talking about BM's plan again, but I just wanted to share a bit more of my thoughts... Hmm... BM could be an assassin, but you never know with him because he's so... random XD (Not saying you're bad though BM! :D) I still see the flaws in BM's plan (Mostly because some people will not follow through with who they're supposed to kill), and I believe we should not follow through with it. But if by some chance the majority does agree with this plan, we should only implement it for Day/Night 1. As the game progresses, I think it would be harder to role claim with that plan, mostly because, it would be very easy for any blue/red/assassin to frame others. These questions are mostly directed at BM, but anyone could answer them if they want: How would medics/DTs/Mad Hatters do their job with your plan? Would DTs role check their targeted person? Would medics be saving anyone? Would Mad Hatters hold on to their bombs? On April 19 2010 07:29 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: If you look at other threads you will see this is my first game. The two mafia type players you described before were the quite members that pretty much agreed with townies and offered no opinion themselves, and the experienced mafia members which appeared to be extremely pro-town. Now why would an inexperienced member of the mafia do the exact thing that you just stated as showing mafia members. No reason what so ever. An inexperienced townie however that doesn't want to get lynched for being inactive, but also is to inexperienced to actually add anything to the conversation has nothing to lose from agreeing with the "experienced townie". Hmm... Looking at the time stamp between Caller's post and your post, I'm assuming you've had time to read his post before making a reply. Looking at what you said, combined with Caller's post, an inexperienced mafia would be posting to get out of inactivity so he does not get lynched and would look like an inexperienced townie trying not to get lynched. After Caller's post, an inexperienced mafia would not be willing to act along with what he said. But at the same time, you have posted and given not that much opinion yourself and agreed with other people for the most part (Which is what Caller described a mafia would do). It kinda looks like you're trying to avoid the spotlight of attention, but at the same time, you're messing up so people are noticing you even more. So this is the list of people "inactives" who have posted after Caller's post: - Fishball (Haven't expressed much thoughts, but according to him, he's only been up for about 2 hours) - TheLardyGooser (Pushing for a new plan) - tree.hugger (Talks about Abenson) - Roffles (Just woke up from OSL tiebreakers) Actually from what I can see, I think there's a higher chance that the mafia will be hiding in the inactives at this current time. And to Jugan: What's all this hate towards me? :O You claim that I was bashing on you, but I wasn't; I was just responding/expressing my thoughts in response your post. I have some suspicion against nAi at this point, but it's not concrete enough for me to vote him. I'll vote once a bit more comes it. Or if nothing suspicious happens, I guess we could just pick a random inactive and lynch him? :/ | ||
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Jugan Most noticeable is the posting difference in Jugan. He somehow goes from spamming one-liners to actually phrasing his thoughts into readable sentences: He goes from this: On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote: i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying. to this: + Show Spoiler + On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote: I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow. But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. And yet he continues hold his vote on me :/ Plus, please try to calm down and try not to bring emotions into the game too much (Mostly directed at your bashing on IntoTheWow) What Incognito Said About Osmoses As to what Incognito had said about Osmoses, that's a good observation made on him, but I don't think Osmoses is trying to pull off what you said. From what I can see, I think Osmoses is putting in effort and trying to contribute to the town. We should wait until he posts a little bit more so that we can get a concrete reason to lynch him (If he seems scummier by the post). BC's Post About Inactives On April 20 2010 03:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move. RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active. I think Rage is doing something right here and he doesn't seem that scummy to me. The town needed a plan, and here we have one. It's better that the town lynches a random and hope to get a mafia than no lynch at all. Remember, although the chances of getting a mafia with a random lynch is around 20%, the chances of getting a mafia with no lynch is 0%. But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o And finally to Rage, BM is always like that; try to take it as the comedic side of mafia games. XD | ||
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Jpak on the other hand has not posted anything useful at all. (I think he's only made 4 posts so far post-Day1?) | ||
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On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit Whoa, I completely missed this edit... Scara, do you mind explaining yourself for this? The sentence you added in was completely unnecessary and it could have been made as a double post if you REALLY wanted to say it. | ||
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Right now, I'm guessing the votes will be either against: jpak or RaGe. I personally think it would be beneficial to the town if we lynch jpak during Day 1 (Even if it means if we have to wait until Day 2 to lynch RaGe if we really want to), mostly due to that fact that jpak has given nothing at all that is beneficial to the town, while RaGe has at least given us a starting point as to who to lynch. If I counted correctly, RaGe and jpak both have six votes against them at this time. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:11 Bill Murray wrote: I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91. Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you. BM, remember that the micro-mafia game was the "first" mafia game I played in, and it's a completely different setting than this one. Since this game is more active and there are more people than the micro one, I cannot sit down to carefully analyze through each post for each person just for Day 1. There's too much to work with and I personally think that it would be a waste of time. When it reaches Day 3 or so (We would have about 10 less players than right now), I think it would be more manageable for me to start analyzing and accusing people. And the reason I have smaller posts at this moment is I really believe that we are going to end with a no lynch on this day if the activity does not stop. The closest we have to a majority at this moment is six votes on RaGe and jpak. So I'm just trying to get people back into the thread to read and post and maybe eventually we'll get that lynch going. | ||
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In a normal situation, a mafia (More the inexperienced mafia) that is being blamed would feel more nervous and therefore would post short, erratic posts trying to defend themselves. But what Rage has been doing is almost the complete opposite of that. His posts are composed well and I think that he defended himself correctly. As to his "Well if x acted like this in a previous mafia game, and y is now acting similar to x, he is mafia too!" statements, I believe that it has now come up twice in his posts. Once to defend himself (About the nai incident) and not to try to accuse Rage. Although I believe posting behaviours of individual people are important to consider (How BM points out how I must be scum because of my shortened post length, or even how BM isn't completely spamming every other minute in this game), I don't think entire situations where completely different people are involved should be used as precedent case. Also Caller, the whole 3rd/4th to bandwagon theory. I'm not going to argue about the fact that it happens 75% of the time, but currently it looks like that's all the basis you have to be suspicious of people (Most recently, of meeple). Although his commentary on the lynch should be analysed more throughly with previous posts and posts to come, I don't think your points 1 and 2 should really play into a basis of suspicion. Shouldn't posting behaviour be considered more important than the order of votes casted for a lynch? | ||
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What I was referring to with my Day 3 analysis, is that I will be able to provide an analysis of each player (Maybe I'll split it up into two posts, first half of people on the first part of Day 3, then the rest on the second part of Day 3, I really haven't planned it out yet) so it will help the town accuse and maybe even decide who we should lynch. | ||
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On April 21 2010 09:00 Jugan wrote: A good way to mark yourself as not credible is announcing that you've only read the last two pages and then saying you won't be doing anything until the 3rd day. I did not say that I have only read the two pages; I just stated that the past two pages have been full of posts that are almost useless. At the same time, I did not say that I won't be doing anything until Day 3. If you have read my posts, you could see that I have tried to contribute to the ideas of the town by giving my own input with regards to what has been happening. All I stated in my post is that I will be able to give a thorough analysis of every player in the game when it reaches Day 3, because at this moment, there are way too many players, and not enough time on my side to invest into a "project" like that. | ||
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