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On April 14 2010 13:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh shite ace is playing better, get your game face on On April 14 2010 13:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: oh shite ace is playing, better get your game face on ??! | ||
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First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user. First off, innocents. A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia). Time to pull out the accusation gun. Osmoses: On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote: I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on? This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card. On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote: Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum. Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it. Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses. | ||
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Updated innocent list: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller Bill Murray | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:23 Ace wrote: The fact that you guys are discussing people as "most likely innocent" just shows you have no clue wtf to do. Uh...then why didn't you say this previously when I did it in Red Army II? Is it because this time you don't agree with my list? Hmm?? | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:26 Ace wrote: I actually saw one intelligent post. But still you guys are useless. I'm just gonna chill until I die. Well, then would you mind explaining which post this is so we can generate some discussion and actually point us in an "intelligent" direction? | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:51 IntoTheWow wrote: Playing this without PMs sure is harder. Because its easy to ignore posts. Its harder to ignore pms. | ||
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@ Radfield: Hmm, interesting what you have to say about my analysis. Looking at that accusation of Zona/BC doesn't seem all that suspicious to me though. Actually that was one of the points that I thought was one of the less suspicious posts from Osmoses. If Osmoses truly is a newer player (I don't know if he's played in other games?) then his accusation of Zona/BC can't be taken so suspiciously. As I recall a number of other people were also suspicious of Zona or BC. Not both, but still something to think about. I still think the I'm a newb card is the most suspicious thing about this character. *Anyway, glad to see that he's posted a response.* About Bill Murray, Stuff suspicious is happening about Bill Murray. But I don't think that necessarily means he's mafia. After all, with all the horrible plans he comes up with, I'm sure the mafia would want to follow it in an attempt to look useful whether BM is mafia or not. Mafia like to follow sucky plans, regardless where they come from. Which I guess is brilliant on BM's part. I'd focus on BM's follower's behaviors to see their motives for now, as BC said, his behavior has brought up some shady responses. Either way, Rage, I don't think I completely understand your proposal. When I read it I thought you wanted to scrap all the conversation before day 2 as evidence...but that seems really bizzare and ridiculous to me. Did you mean to say something else? On April 20 2010 04:25 Bill Murray wrote: I'd also like to add that I get townie vibes from your entire list, crescentia. Ok wat? Yeah, I know you have a weird penchant for saying random stuff that doesnt make sense...but seriously how can you get town vibes from ppl like RoL? The rest I can understand, but I don't know how ANYONE can get a pro-town read from RoL. KF91 is going on my innocent list, which now reads: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller Bill Murray KF91 For those of you looking for a justification, well, lets just say...I don't want to give the mafia any tips. Fairly certain he's pro-town though. Jugan. What I think of him has changed over the last few pages. Initially he was acting really abrasive with the mods, which put a sour taste in my mouth. Include the "I'm a miller" statements, and it could very well be a coverup for rolechecks. The difference between this one and BM's statements I think though, are the fact that Jugan says he's 100% miller, whereas Bill only says he's probably the miller, as i recall. Does anyone know if Jugan normally does this? Either way, its kind of an awkward statement to make. Originally, Jugan gave me some pretty suspicious vibes, but now I'm beginning to think he's fairly pro-town. He's not going on my list though. I'm definitely keeping an eye on you. For some reason I feel like you're just nit picking through IntoTheWow's posts and unfairly attacking him. RoL...hmm well I remember him actually using this same excuse before. Which I'm pretty sure was legit. I've never heard of jpak before, so that + being inactive gives him an edge in my view. *edit nvm Jugan seems to be legit to me. New updated Innocent list: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller Bill Murray KF91 Jugan @ Osmoses: Hmm...well, I guess I can interpret that statement as a rhetorical "duh isn't this the obviously best course of action" statement, but I'm not sure how much I'm convinced. Looking at the rest of your argument, it seems...actually I'm not sure. Your logic seems to be somewhat reasonable for being a newer player. Looking back at my previous playstyle, I can see how you could think that. In response to your question, no, medics can also protect against vig hits and assassin hits. Anyway, this large post tells me that you are capable of being coherent. Keep it up, I'm going to be expecting more posts like this from you. On April 20 2010 06:11 Bill Murray wrote: I don't understand this at fucking all. When you are green you have big posts, and I had you written off as green, but your shift towards smaller posts is AWAY from your green meta and really had me thinking that you are red. Let's lynch KF91. Well, I don't find you annoying, but when you are green you tend to come out and actually accuse people instead of squirming and getting defensive with very short posts. When you are green you craft elaborate posts, and you are not doing that, so therefore you will flip scum when we lynch you. Wat lol. Ok, I've refrained from quoting and pointing out every single BM post until now. But this is really weird. Nothing outstandingly out of character, but you seem to be going overboard on the accusations my friend. Expect to be watched closely in the next few pages. Anyway this is taking too long. Posting this now, but more to come later. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:23 Radfield wrote: Where did this Rage bandwagon come from!? Was his post really that suspicious? As far as I can tell, this post helps to focus the town down a road towards a lynch. Voting towards the "least active, most voted person" seems like a sound plan to get a lynch done. Perhaps you folks voting for Rage could elaborate a little more. I realize Caller's already posted a reason, but were that many people suddenly convinced? Caller's argument seemed a bit thin to me. Um actually yeah, if I read that correctly, I think it is pretty anti-town and warranting suspicion. Wanting to exclude all the pre-day 2 information is hugely ridiculous. If you don't think there's anything here to analyze, then something is wrong with you. This seems like an invitation to cover up information that the mafia doesn't want to be found. Wah wah wah what? Ace claims DT...then acts completely retardedly. Sad that I have only $25, but oh well. If I were not trying to play to win, I'd open a tax collection agency so I could get some more money, but...Wait! Ace is a genius. (Even more) to come. A few IMPORTANT notes: Everyone: Stop filling the thread with garbage. I am amazed that with 10 pages worth of mostly useless posts, I can only see two or three responses to my post, and only a few more reasonable attempts at being helpful. Jugan: Your attempts to appear helpful are abrasive and are probably turning people off. Right now, most of the posts are only helping the mafia. If we're actually come up with some decent course of action, the spam needs to stop NOW. + Show Spoiler + I'm going to refer to the info in this spoiler if anyone decides to accuse me of being a hypocrite when I make my next post. But I have reasons. 1. Being that it works for some people. | ||
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Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency! ![[image loading]](http://metrobrokers.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/tax-collector-stockxpertcom_id69728_jpg_9233c9b394a2324739c0ba6441fcaa64.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/bestw2/USSR%20-%20Hammer%20&%20Sickle.JPG) Rules: 1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands. 2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you! 3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake. FAQ: Q. How do I pay my taxes? A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production. Q. What kind of taxes are there? A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax. Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax? A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen). Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings? A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully. Q. So is there a lottery tax? A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!! Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment? A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part. Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people! A. That wasn't a question, but ok... People who haven't payed their taxes: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? ... We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details. | ||
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Lets see. Did anyone read my previous post? Im guessing no. Either way, if you haven't, read it. If you have, read it again. It shouldn't be that hard to get the message. But hopefully, such a large not-serious post got you all woken up so you can come to your senses. Anyway, a few loose ends from when I've last read up to... On April 20 2010 09:41 Jugan wrote: The point is that hobbes is an ungrateful donkey who turns on the people that stopped him from getting lynched. I replied to your post when you asked me to incognito, but you haven't readdressed your first analyses of Osmoses. (when you asked several players to reply) I noted that a few people have responded. One of which is you. Thank you for your reply. On April 20 2010 10:27 tree.hugger wrote: I'm laughing very very hard right now. Why because of Ace? Or are you an Assassin? On April 20 2010 11:01 madnessman wrote: Meh, I think this is worrying in that I doubt there are many assassins in this game. So if town+mafia end up accidentally killing all the assassins save one, I'm guessing that one assassin wins and game ends lol. Confirmed from flamewheel that the game does not end when an assassin wins. The remaining assassin is simply removed from the game. Automatic Archives SWEEET: BIG Thanks to Zona for that. Suspicious people: Well, right now there are a lot of suspicious people. But I'm going to switch tactics again. This time, I'm not going to say that you're suspicious. If you're suspicious, you know you are. I'm not going to sit here and make a list of the inactive people who should be looked at. That just gives you the option of ignoring me if you barely made it onto the list. So what we're going to do is this. You know if you're not doing your job. Step it up. If you choose not to do that, we just shoot you. If you're not going to bother stepping up your game now, don't expect us to believe you when you pop up tomorrow and try to defend yourself after we've accused you.. Defending yourself starts now. It starts with being active and posting pro-town. P.S. In the unlikely event that everyone complies and starts being useful, we still have some good candidates. Some that have been already mentioned. BUT we're going to go through the useless/shady people before we go through that list. Gotta have an incentive for posting, yes? | ||
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On April 20 2010 12:37 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 11:36 Incognito wrote: Hello, its your friendly neighborhood tax collector here! Don't worry, I'm not trying to suck you dry. I'm just trying to make sure you pay your fair share. Not like you care anyway, since your parents probably pay your taxes for you! Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency! Rules: 1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands. 2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you! 3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake. FAQ: Q. How do I pay my taxes? A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production. Q. What kind of taxes are there? A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax. Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax? A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen). Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings? A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully. Q. So is there a lottery tax? A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!! Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment? A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part. Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people! A. That wasn't a question, but ok... People who haven't payed their taxes: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? ... We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details. You just posted some stuff saying to not fill the thread with garbage, and then you post this. Thanks for just telling me your role. But don't worry, the secret's safe with me, nobody pays attention to my posts until well into the 3rd or 4th day. Which reminds me how funny it is how people keep saying there's no information, and yet in reality there's a LOT going on in the first day. No matter, you keep to your spam posting for now. Good Job Foolishness. Good job reading the spoiler in the post here. I'm sure it won't be too hard for you to see what I'm trying to do here... | ||
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On April 21 2010 06:29 KF91 wrote: In a normal situation, a mafia (More the inexperienced mafia) that is being blamed would feel more nervous and therefore would post short, erratic posts trying to defend themselves. But what Rage has been doing is almost the complete opposite of that. His posts are composed well and I think that he defended himself correctly. What do you think about Osmoses? If I use your rule of thumb...it seems as if Osmoses would be likely innocent. However, I don't feel satisfied with the idea that Osmoses is innocent... On April 21 2010 06:29 KF91 wrote: Also Caller, the whole 3rd/4th to bandwagon theory. I'm not going to argue about the fact that it happens 75% of the time, but currently it looks like that's all the basis you have to be suspicious of people (Most recently, of meeple). Although his commentary on the lynch should be analysed more throughly with previous posts and posts to come, I don't think your points 1 and 2 should really play into a basis of suspicion. Shouldn't posting behaviour be considered more important than the order of votes casted for a lynch? Actually meeple is a fairly suspicious character imo. Let me go back through his archived posts and check. Ok, useless posts, followed by attacking BC's plan/idea. Not really pro-town, but not suspicious yet either. Oh noes. Next post he defends BC. Not sure how much we can read into this. But flip floppiness is kinda pro-mafia. Then he ignores BM, cool. Advocates anti day-3 double lynch policy. Ok, fine I guess this is a justifiable position. There are plenty of people who have advocated this position in the past. Regardless though, traditionally usually have a decent amount of information in our hands by day 3. Yet meeple arbitrarily assumes that we won't have enough info by day 3. On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote: I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. Really? Well why don't you try to make generate this info then? Seriously info doesn't just pop out of nowhere into your hands. Seems to me like meeple has no intention of attempting to get information. He inherently assumes that not enough will be available. Oops! Also, another thing to note about meeple's posting is that if you look at all of meeple's posts as a whole, he is always reacting. He is always responding to what is going on immediately in front of him. Not going through or trying to analyze other players as a whole. Strike two! Well, before I write him off on that, meeple: start trying to dig up and analyze real information instead of just responding to what is immediately in front of you please.. Continuing, meeple finally decides to respond to the BM incident, complains about inactivity, and jokes around. Casually mentions a bandwagon (not certain if this is an anti-bandwagon stance, but I assume it is?), and then in the next post jumps onto the jpak wagon. Talk about hypocrisy. Next several posts are trash, and then he comes up with a medic list. Cool. It looks useful. Unfortunately, infundibulum already made one of those. He was probably ignored, but oh wells. At least meeple leaves Ace (Detective?) off the list, and adds some people to the list who aren't really worth mentioning. tree.hugger? Foolishness hasn't been useful, and hobbes is a big WUT? Why does meeple also ignore Zona and d3_crescentia from his list? Shady and poorly thought out list at best. Next he defends himself from Caller. And now he will have to defend himself from me. Better come out and explain yourself before I explain your situation for you (well, I already did). (Note to inactives, don't think that I'm going to give you the same treatment as meeple and let you defend yourselves. The difference here is that at least meeple is being active. He gets a few more bonus tolerance points on my list than you guys do). Oh also I'd like you to come out and explain your choices for your bizzare medic list. Ah yes JadeFist. As BM (and Radfield) have kindly pointed out, you can't change your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. Seeing as you change your vote, don't post in the thread, and blatantly break the rules, you're have some serious business against you. Not only that, but you're already a shady character. Don't worry, I won't ask you to come out here and defend yourself. I might listen if someone else tries to come and defend you though. On April 21 2010 06:54 Radfield wrote: I've been reading through AcrossFiveJulys posting history, and to me it seems a bit suspect. It's nothing specific in particular, but does anyone else get the same vibe? Not on the top of my list, but yes. Even after a call for more posts from the non-voters, it seems like people still aren't motivated to post. Maybe I'm just not scary enough?  | ||
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KF91: If you really think you can post a satisfactory analysis of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the game even on day 3 when we've lost a few, then I don't know what you're thinking. Would probably be impossible even for a guy like Ver or Qatol. Pick the most suspicious people and work from there. You can't waste your time analyzing everyone. Alternatively...we can use this system. It'll be good for getting a quick and dirty analysis of everyone, and it will give everyone something specific to do. Not only that, but it will all help you improve your mafia hunting skills. So I propose that (after the day post goes up): we all analyze the player below us on the player signup list. Last person (madnessman) analyzes the first person, obviously. Ignore dead people (obviously). We should get out the analyses quickly, then we can go from there. Tips for analyzing players (in this case, the player under you): Use Zona's archive bot. Run through all the posts made by the player you're analyzing, and note any suspicious behavior. I have done my example of meeple, so you can check what I did there. Looking back I guess I should have consolidated and made my post more organized, but I was kinda doing a rough on-the-fly analysis there. When you're reading, try to create a persona around the player's attitude and goals. Is the player abrasive? Are they actually working to help the town or are they whining that there is no information? Do they have an agenda in mind? What do you think it is? Is the player content with sitting back and watching the action? You can use these questions to help you determine where people are going and what alignment they are. Anyway, in the hopes of not burdening everyone with a long laundry-list of tips, I'll just leave it at that for now. Don't worry if you think we'll rip apart your analysis. Don't be afraid about being wrong. Naturally, people will be wrong sometimes, you can't always be right. Gotta start somewhere, ya? | ||
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