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Why is everyone an Assassin? O.o I don't get it. | ||
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Am I smart and in Ravenclaw? ^^. -- I'd agree with a day 3 lynch. Makes the most sense, we have a good bit of information, and waiting isn't a great idea since the Mafia's KP will probably remain relatively high. Wouldn't assassins care more about winning the assassin way than as townspeople? Though they count as townspeople, they "lose" if either the town or mafia wins. So... I still don't understand why anyone would agree with BM's plan (not saying anyone has) That's about all I've gathered from the last few pages... | ||
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Can Mafia be Assassins? Or is it limited to Blue/Green roles? It'd be pretty funny if 2+ mafia were assassins ^^. But I doubt our mod would make more than 1 or 2 (if even that) assassins. Regarding something said earlier (by Zona maybe?), Assassins are almost certain to check someone during the first night - I mean really, who would kill randomly -.-? So for them, it doesn't really make sense for them to follow a list... But it also means we can expect only mafia kills tonight. | ||
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On April 18 2010 21:56 d3_crescentia wrote: I haven't spotted these; who are they? Millers don't know that they're Millers. It's beyond idiocy to me why someone would claim it - it's just bad play overall no matter what your alignment is. Yeah, who the miller is (millers are??) is absolutely irrelevant to our analysis because nobody knows. Everyone suggesting that they were millers was just (either honestly or with some motive) q.q-ing about their role and suggesting that flamewheel "probably" made them millers "again" just cuz. | ||
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2. On April 19 2010 07:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I actually thought Caller's first post was pretty good because it rerailed the town discussion away from BM's plan, which had been beat to death. He also identified the sort of non committal passerby posts that people need to watch for and remember. However, I'm not sure how he arrived at the conclusion that Ace's strong accusations are the signs of a pro-town player. The wifom part was incorrect, and the part about inexperienced players posting more is basically an obvious truthism; pointing out something like that has no bearing on his innocence or guilt and so garners no points from me. and why Nai Protoss all of a sudden? he's just about as useful as all the other semi-inactives. Killing him doesn't really tell us much at all, i don't think...and at least he's posting now that we're talking about him in the thread. I'd like to highlight this... makes me think Inf and Nai are connected? Why else would he bother to defend Nai so specifically? To me, Nai is just another inactive, I probably would have worded my post as like "why are we killing inactives?" or "why are we killing one specific inactive? There are too many to decide from" etc. etc. 3. Also, I didn't mind Caller's first few posts from a few pages back... then again, I don't really know what those terms mean ^^. But at least he's contributing. 4. Ace seems to be an arrogant elitest jerk, but that doesn't really tell us anything about his allegiance =p. 5. I voted for myself in the other thread for 2 reasons: I don't know who to vote for, and I don't think we'll get a majority anyway. Plus, the MKs should take care of more inactives than we want in the first day =[ (iirc still like 4+ left??). If we want to lynch someone in addiction to the anticipated MKs, that will give us more info, but... tis a nother possible townsperson =[. Normally, I would say lynch someone random for sure, but the whole modkilling changes things. after all, i doubt the mafia members would be dumb (or uninterested) enough to get modkilled for inactivity. | ||
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On April 19 2010 15:18 Bill Murray wrote: I stopped reading this post after it literally started with "player a makes player b look bad by defending them" then moved onto him saying he thought someone was innocent and he defended them against lynch... total hypocrisy I pointed that out, because no one else has pointed it out. I didn't say whether I thought Caller was mafia or not - all I said was that I didn't mind his logic / posts. I have no opinion on whether or not he gets lynched. If you meant #4, I was just making a comment on what I thought about Ace. I don't really see how that's hypocrisy. Inf defended Nai (who might get lynched) and implied that we shouldn't lynch him ... why? "because he's as use[less] as all the other semi-inactives." To me, that's suspicious - why defend a random stranger so specifically? If someone's against the idea of a day 1 lynch, they wouldn't care who we were discussing we should lynch, they would be much more general about it. And I'm not defending Caller from a lynch, I'm just saying that I agree with some of his posts/analysis. Says nothing about his role in this game. And I doubt you actually stopped reading the post. | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote: oh there's no contradictions. Just follow the logic, though. Give me another explanation for what he did. The calm response? Maybe he's a calm guy =o. | ||
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My guy: Osmoses + Show Spoiler + First, from Zbot: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 10:28 ZBot wrote: Osmoses + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2010 23:47 Osmoses wrote: /in On April 18 2010 02:03 Osmoses wrote: Que madness: On April 18 2010 02:25 Osmoses wrote: Well by then I'll be a... uh... I wanna say vulture? They got spider mines you know. On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote: I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on? On April 18 2010 09:10 Osmoses wrote: I'd say of course, comparing posting before and after game start can show differences depending on role. On April 18 2010 09:11 Osmoses wrote: I shall return with my brilliant insights when the day begins in Sweden as well. On April 18 2010 17:18 Osmoses wrote: I'm suspicious of Zona, his attack on BC seems forced somehow, too condescending, but also too fervent for both to be scum. Why is everyone, that is to say BM, focusing on the assasins anyway? It seems to me they are very unlikely to win in the end, as they will probably be lynched or killed by other assassins well before the end of the game. Here's my supergenius plan: lynch the least active player, it's the quiet ones you gotta watch! On April 18 2010 20:18 Osmoses wrote: Ace, if newbies weren't allowed, there'd be no games, period. Your bitching doesn't help anyone get better. On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote: Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum. Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. On April 19 2010 10:08 Osmoses wrote: I said something and you called me out for being a crap poster. I was trying to figure stuff out, apparently I shouldn't do so out loud. You want clear and concise, how about this: 1. BC entered a game which he seems uninterested in winning and even seems to advocate getting lynched. He is either A) wasting his time or B) reverse psychology scum. 2. Ace and Caller are supposed to know what they're doing but they're shitting all over each other. I suspect at least one of them may be scum. 3. Caller is trying to play the good cop: I had a 4th bullet but I lost my train of thought. On April 20 2010 05:32 Osmoses wrote: Again with this? I'm really sorry, but I AM a newbie and I AM confused, I don't know what to say. I'm just trying to be active and participate, but I don't know what to look for or what angles to analyze from. :/ But in my defense, in the first post you quoted I was giving what I thought was a pretty rational opinion on the double lynch and in the second post I personally thought I was being helpful, sorting out the assassin roles. The point I was trying to get across was that we shouldn't be focusing on them, spending all our time trying to figure out how to get them to work in our advantage seems pretty wasteful to me. How is this not an honest attempt at contribution? But alright, let me tell you exactly why I think BC and Zona are suspicious: While this might seem a perfectly reasonable argument, in fact I'd say it might've been one of the reasons I suspect BC, but the fact that it comes from Zona and is directed at BC is what made me suspicious. Both are supposedly veterans who ought to be at least decent at hiding their agenda, but Zona is accusing BC of taking a backseat because he's afraid he'll screw up. It just struck me as an odd way to start, too agressive, and seemed like a mock fight to direct attention away from Zona. OK, this seemed at first like a bunch of weird jibber jabber to me. First of all BC is a veteran but didn't even bother to read the rules, which is what Zona immediately jumps on. But lets be honest, do you ever read a manual unless you can't figure something out? I never do, and I'm guessing BC simply didn't bother either because he assumed something or because he couldn't be assed, either way, how is lazyness a mark of scum? His whole attack was just stupid, he's basically jumping on BC for not knowing the rules and their implications. He's grasping at straws, trying to find any reason to jump on BC. This seemed a scummy move to me. This was the only reasonable argument he made, and the one reason I considered whether Zona wasn't just being stupid in his other posts and had a lucky brainwave here. BC is playing the benevolent veteran, but he's overdoing it, like a big Santa Claus, and this along with the very next part of the above quote: is what really got me wondering about BC. Live or die based on actions? Who's actions? The mafia's obviously, as they're the only ones the medics can protect them against (if I understood their role right). And then he says "if we are red and survive, we will be caught very very quickly" so what was the PROBLEM!? His whole strategy is one big oxymoron. And basically, as he suddenly appreared very scummy, I started having second thoughts about Zona, though if they're working together that might've been their plan. Third option is BC had a short cirquit and Zona jumped at the chance of getting something of actual merit to accuse him with. And lately I've started to suspect Jugan. To be perfectly honest, I have no good reasoning for this, he's just being really annoying and I'd take any excuse to get him the hell out of here. -_- Also, Radfield, please don't insult me by saying I was jumping on Bill Murrays bandwagon, because imo its a failtrain, I honestly thought his assassin strategy was a joke. In conclusion, I'm with RaGe on the whole FoS thing, can we at least wait until we have some semblance of information before we lynch people who are at least active and participating? By all means if you wanna point the FoS at me, do so, but have some merit to your arguments, don't just lynch me for trying to be useful. On April 20 2010 06:42 Osmoses wrote: Better get yourself another tampon, you're bleeding all over the place. On April 20 2010 06:48 Osmoses wrote: OK that did made me giggle... But I'm not proud of it. On April 20 2010 11:09 Osmoses wrote: Game doesn't END if an Assassin wins... right? I thought the Assassin won and the game continued for the rest of the players. Also, I dunno if jpak being an assassin was good or bad, but it is definitely funny. On April 21 2010 08:40 Osmoses wrote: I'm not concerned about RaGe, his arguments are solid. I'm more concerned about Fulgrim, JadeFist, nbtnbt5, love1another, and motbob, all of which have barely participated at all. Are you too busy huddling around a round table at your italian restauraunt? Caller, all your arguments still stem from what you would have done if you were mafia. Is anyone here saying that Caller is surely pro-town? I'm not saying you're definitely scum, but you definitely do not come off as pro-town to me. So far all you've done is sow dissent and point fingers, and when you attack RaGe and he doesn't go apeshit that somehow translates to surefire scum? Do you have to be a hothead to be mafia? Maybe RaGe's gameplan is more complex than "if someone says something that I find fishy in any way, I must call that person out as scum." That's your gameplan, and I don't think it's working. Please stop congratulating people for making your suspect list, it doesn't seem to be particularly difficult. Anyone else think maybe he's doing this on purpose? I can't follow his logic. The only one I would say I'm sure is town is tree.hugger, he's clear, conscise and has intelligent things to say. As for Zona, can we get a statement? Your recent absence aside, the automatic archives is awesome, much props. Cynan, you were pretty active at first but lately (like, your last 10 posts) you've been very tight-lipped and short of words. I think it would be good to see more than a oneliner the next time you post? KF91, going through your posts I agree with most of what you say, but then, When it reaches Day 3 or so (We would have about 10 less players than right now), I think it would be more manageable for me to start analyzing and accusing people. Just what you'll be doing for the first two days. Participation is low as it is, it seems to me we can use every voice at this point. Those should be all his posts, for reference. He also voted for nbtnbt5, calling it just a random vote on an inactive. He then changed it to jpak. He was the 7th to do so, after BC, Fishball, Radfield, KF91, Cynan, and d3, which is pretty far in and might be considered a “bandwagon.” But if he, like me, was just trying to get rid of possibly useless inactives, it makes sense for him to change his vote to someone who might actually get lynched. I’m not reading too much into this vote change. He also says when changing to jpak: “RaGe has done nothing but ask us to chill the fsck out.” His first post was “Que madness:” and it was relatively early, probably just a nothing comment, but Abenson jumped on him and tried to vote for him straight off the bat (later apologized). He then says “Firebat > Zergling. Owned.” Alluding to their post count on TL (and portraits). The exchange with Abenson is pretty useless and not game related. As Inc pointed out before, he prefixes his next post with the “I’m noob” card, and then suggests that saving the double lynch is better. Is this his first game? If so, then this is pretty legitimate. If not, then he’s probably faking and scum. (my first game and I didn’t take the time to read through old games, so if vets can answer this) In his next relevant post, he notes his suspicions of the Zona v BC argument; suggesting that one of the two is scum. He also says that we shouldn’t be focusing about assassins (the whole BM thing) since they don’t matter too much (which we all know now). “Here's my supergenius plan: lynch the least active player, it's the quiet ones you gotta watch!” He follows through with what he says here in his voting, as noted earlier. Then, he reasserts that we shouldn’t worry about assassins. After this, Caller calls him out for having a “mafia-like” post that is really vague, non-committing, and not contributing. Responding to Caller’s calling him out (=D), he writes a pretty aggressive post, saying BC is either “wasting his time or scum,” also saying that either Ace or Caller is scum, and accusing Caller of “trying to be good cop.” So this post reminds of his earlier post, saying that either Zona or BC is scum – it seems he likes comparing two guys against each other (bad grammar, you know what I mean). The next related thing we have is Inc calling Osmoses out. Inc basically accuses him of Caller did, which is not really contributing at all despite an okay amount of posting. “all of his posts are empty” in a sense. On a side note before his next post, Radfield mentions his early Zona post, and points out that Osmoses was bandwagon-ing a little (following BM) in accusing Zona. But I guess, even though Radfield was the DT, he never got to check anyone, so this isn’t that big of deal, just a pro-towner’s analysis. Osmoses takes awhile to respond to Inc, but he finally gets around to it, saying “I'm really sorry, but I AM a newbie and I AM confused, I don't know what to say. I'm just trying to be active and participate,” so his response to Inc is to reassert his failure. But he follows up with some good analysis of BC/Zona, calling Zona “too aggressive” and somewhat scummy. The analysis seems pretty good, he picks out a lot of subtle things from Zona’s posts. He concludes that post with an agreement with Rage’s non-FoS plan. His next couple posts are mysteries to me… something about a bleeding tampon, and then a comment on Ace’s trolling. The second one is irrelevant, but the first… idk lol. ---Night 1 comes--- His first night post… laughs at how jpak was an assassin. …..o.o. I’m not sure why it’s funny. This to me, is a little suspicious, but not too too much. His next post has some analysis. He once again defends Rage, and calls out a few other inactives. He then bashes on Caller, saying that Caller might be scum. He labels tree.hugger as town “for sure,” and calls Zona out again for being inactive, calls out Cynan as well. He agrees with KF91, and says Day 3 is a good day to start analyzing… which to me is either stupid or suspicious. Conclusion That was mostly summary, lol. Osmoses seems to have a accusation habit of pairing two guys and saying it’s one or the other. He’s been particularly favoring Zona, which makes sense to me – once you have someone in your notes and they don’t do anything to change it, they … stay there. I might be guilty of the same thing in this game actually. Perhaps the most suspicious things from him are his slight inactivity, his complying with Caller’s request exactly and replying with a very aggressive post, his attachment to Rage (or so it seems), and his siding with postponing analysis / doubly lynching until later… I don’t really know what to make out of his posts. Maybe someone can look at what I’ve written and come up with a verdict. Osmoses has a feel suspicious things about him, most of them I just listed, but overall, he’s offered up some good analysis and, despite a little inactivity, hasn’t done anything that screams scum to me. ggglglgl. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:51 IntoTheWow wrote: I'm just curious. Role checks are PM'd to the person who made them, but no one else knows for sure right? Ace could just be making up whatever role check he thinks best fits him. If I'm wrong in my train of thought please tell me. This is true, but we have two situations as I see it: 1) Ace is mafia and tricking us - we lynch Caller and see that he's lying, so he's just given himself up. It's still pretty early in the game, so this would be pretty stupid, a 1 for 1 trade cutting the mafia down to 6 with only 3 KP. 2) Ace is the DT and telling the truth and pro-town. We lynch Caller, he's red, and ... all is well. lol. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Great, so I have to nail a mafia every day or you will kill me? Fine, BC is mafia. Rolecheck confirmed it. In light of this, and Ace's alleged RC on Caller, would it be appropriate to double lynch today (Day 2)? In doing so, we catch either of them if they are lying, or else we kill two scum, which seems like a great result to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2010 13:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well I can't hate on you for getting analysis out there, since it's what everyone needs to be doing instead of posting useless garbage. So props. But some things you said about me simply are, well, factually incorrect or misguided. I already explained my inactivity in another post. Real life shit; I am a busy man. Here I am posting and making up for lost time though. I'm not sure why you think it's suspicious that I'm contributing to the town. Look at all the players that aren't contributing anything. It sounds like your concerned that I'm contributing, but not contributing enough. That's fine, I'll try to be more direct in my posts. I never bothered posting any sort of town plan in this game, largely since this game is not about specific town plans - e.g. Bodyguard plans or Assassin plans - but largely about town activity and discussion, which is why i was trying to post helpful information and thoughts about general playing strategy that will best benefit the town. Additionally, why do I have to post aggressively to be town? I have never been a particularly aggressive player, except that one time in Mini Mafia I where the town lynched me and I was the medic and I got really mad (jerks). You say I was never suspicious of anybody..., right after a quote of my DT list of people I thought were suspicious. I'll add a couple more: Caller Abenson (strangely quiet) meeple - same as others RoL - based on my previous analysis Scaramanga - probably pretending to be useless anyway i ask people to continue the incog idea of player-beneath-you analysis. hopefully this will get some inactives out of the woodworks when they see their name in the thread. When I was going through Osmoses's posts, I noticed that too... Abenson hasn't really done anything since the beginning of the game.. pretty suspicious. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: and option three as I showed it! Both are red, and Ace is GF/Mafia earning trust. It would be an awesome ballsy move. Yeah I considered that, but it's way too ballsy. It's too early to do this kind of move IMO. It's just not beneficial to trade 1 for 1 for 1 (Town, Mafia, KP) and leave only 6 mafia left with 3 KP. And now that we have two alleged DTs, and hopefully medics to cover them, getting two mafia right now would put us in a great spot. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 13 2010 11:22 flamewheel91 wrote: Double Lynch Usable three times per game, the town majority lynches two people instead of one. This means on the next day everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is activated by voting for it in addition to a player (or players if a double lynch is currently activated). The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 20 players voting then the town needs 11 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be voted on starting Day 2. Double lynches may be used on consecutive days. Players cannot place all of their votes on one player when a double lynch is in effect. If there is a two-way tie for second place, only the person with the most votes will be lynched. as a, "You can double lynch on day 2." On to more important things, I think we stick our plan to lynch Caller, and lynch Ace tomorrow if Caller turns up green/blue. I don't know what to make of the BC / RoL situation lol -__- | ||
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On April 21 2010 21:27 d3_crescentia wrote: Good morning; sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've got less than 10 minutes before I need to leave and I probably won't be posting until the evening again. Most of my post will be some quick thoughts on KF91/Scamp/Inf/Darth, as I said I was going to do last night. As for the current situation before us, given Ace's Detective claim last night and his recent claim that Caller checked red this one is actually a fairly simple decision, unless Ace is bullshitting us all. Analysis of KF91: + Show Spoiler + Summary of arguments: - Agrees with early double-lynch; actually gives some solid reasoning as why to do so - Against BM's plan - Picks out Jugan and Osmoses for later analysis - Thinks Caller is mafia due to his erratic behavior - Analysis made on infundibulum as possible mafia Comments: Everything he's said so far seems to be logical. Follows Incognito's lead in agreeing with Osmoses and doing next-person analysis (but then again, so am I). I agree with his analysis on Inf, and so we should keep an eye on him. Fairly pro-town player IMO. Brief thoughts on Scamp, Inf, Darth: + Show Spoiler + - Scamp - posted quite a bit in the early game, dropped off the face of the planet later. Picked out TheLardyGooser early but hasn't said much since. Keep an eye out for him. - Inf - See comments above. Also, Inf has posted since then, and I think he's in the clear for now. - Darth - Bandwagoning early on, but makes some okay posts. I'd say he's actually green and just making common newb mistakes, except my perception of him is colored since I happen to know him. Don't think there's much to worry from him though. Of these three, I'd say we should be most careful of Inf, then Scamp, then Darth. There's nothing much to suggest that any of them are scum. Didn't really bandwagon imo =P. I've been pro day1-lynching-inactive since it was brought up I think. I didn't know who to pick at first, so I voted for myself, then RoL, then jpak. I guess it's bandwagon-ing in a sense, but I was just trying to get rid of an inactive so that we could have some information from it. Anyway, someone else vote for Caller so that we can solve this "mystery" already. I think we're at 15 votes. And also, vote for a double lynch so that we can use it tomorrow. Unless the vigilantes go crazy tonight, we're probably gonna need it / be able to make use of it. | ||
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