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On March 10 2010 09:31 flamewheel91 wrote: Two more people needed! The faster we get signups done the faster this game gets on the road. rapido rapido muchachos! | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:44 L wrote: So you're saying don't DT check the person with 3 votes who can't be killed because he could be the GF. Why does that seem retarded to me? Oh let me tell you why. Day 1 passes 2 people are voted in. If mafia attempt to run, they have the ability to put a single player in. The threat of DT checking prevents them from running more than one competitive option. Given that the good players in this game are limited, they're likely split up. I know that I'm not red, so that probably leaves either you or BC as the mafia candidate. One of you will probably be GF. Over the past many games I've realized that the person who first starts pushing the GF as a method of destabilizing town is probably the GF himself. Last game, for instance, Ace made repeated reference to the fact that he wanted to 'prove himself' through shooting. It was a pretty obvious self reference. When I asked called to be put back in, without even seeing the game I told him I was killing Ace, but the game was fucked and over by that point. In past games where I've been GF i've similarly relied on it as a method of painting other people as uncredible. I generally ended up being able to do wacky shit like get fucking medic or DT mayors killed off because i'd point to a mistake in someone's reasoning then go "LOL I FOUND YOU OUT GF HOLY SHIT" and then get them bussed. So given that, The mayor/pardoner NEED to be checked on the basis that it proves that at minimum ONE is legit. If ONE at the least is legit, then you can start some town building. Especially under certain circumstances. So yeah, DTs please check Mayor/Pardoner, and please make me one or the other (i'd highly prefer mayor so that I can kill bill murray). There's also another way to use bus drivers; you can use the town aligned bus driver after claims to assure that you have accurate DT checks. In doing so, you skirt pretty much the entire possibility of mafia redirecting your checks AND protect important players. Given that mafia aren't likely to hit their own members (unless knowingly bussed), the target/fake dichotomy is key. Anyways, vote for me. If a member of the mafia wins mayor/pardonner, isn't it GUARANTEED that he'll be the Godfather? What would be the point of mafia letting one of their own be in office (without giving him Godfather status) only to get role-checked by DT's, lynched by the town, and the crucial 3 extra votes being thrown away? So no matter what, if you role-check the mayor/pardonner, won't he come up as town-aligned? I don't really understand your logic in saying it's worth it to role-check him anyways because "it proves that at minimum ONE is legit." The only way role-checking mayor/pardonner would be worthwhile is if BOTH mayor AND pardonner are mafia, in which case, they can't "protect" both of them from role-checks... But what are the chances of that?? | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:30 Incognito wrote: Ah so you must understand? What does "pushing the GF" mean? He's trying to make you look bad, by saying that someone who accuses others of being the Godfather is usually the Godfather himself, since said person is just trying to divert suspicion so the town won't realize that it is HE who is GF.. Which doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense to me, because when the accused GF gets lynch and turns over town-aligned, won't the accuser just look like someone who cried wolf? | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:28 JeeJee wrote: let's put my french course to work from like 7 years ago >.< you're red yes? it's the truth? something something dead last night? or next night, idk lol "You are red, yes? It's the truth? I hope that I don't die the next night." | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for mayoral elections. I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office. With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in. I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia. The Plan: The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies. If they are green, keep them on a seperate list. Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle. If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc... Anyone who flips red dies. For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow. Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them. Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything. Conclusion: This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG. I be swayed by his rhetoric yo. This is a man with a plan. Lol. In all honesty though, I'd like to wait for more to be said before I make my final vote. Decided to post who I'm most leaning towards now (based on platform) just as a precaution in case I somehow miss the deadline and get lightning'd by flamewheel (he seems like he'd be trigger happy with it  ) | ||
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On March 12 2010 09:08 Iaaan wrote: I originally voted for incognito just because I thought it would be nice to protect a veteran who posts alot. No ses pools of noobiness/inactivty. But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. I originally dismissed L as well for his hoity-toity posting, but after reading his posts more closely, I am pretty convinced he's town-aligned. I wouldn't say his posts are gems "chock full of chocolatey goodness," but they DO have a lot of substance. It's just that his rhetoric/phrasing make it very easy to miss what he implies. As such, I don't think he should be readily dismissed as a candidate just because he is not confirming things... My personal guess would be that he's vigil/bus driver. | ||
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The reason I switched my vote is because after reading through L's posts more closely, he implies that: 1. He is not green and that his role can be easily proved. 2. He doesn't want to role claim though so the mafia doesn't know what exactly they're dealing with. 3. He wants to be in contact with the blues in this game so that he can set "his plan" going. I suspected from all this that he has a blue role which gives him the ability to directly kill a mafia member or put them in harms way. Am I sure that L is town-aligned? Of course not. Do I have misgivings over my vote? Sure, this is all just my own speculation. I could definitely be mistaken. Since you're referencing my play style from last game, you'll see that in the beginning of last game, I (who was town) voted for L (who was mafia), and then later in the game, I realized my mistake and wrote a really really long post accusing him of being mafia and asking the town to lynch him. Therefore, even if L is mafia, accusing active posters who support him of being fellow mafia is just ridiculous. If anything, all it proves is that he's convincing. If, however, an INACTIVE person who hadn't posted at all stepped up out of nowhere and defended L when he was in trouble and under great suspicion, I would agree that that is much more incriminating. | ||
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On March 13 2010 10:16 Bill Murray wrote: I asked you to vote for me because I literally pmed every person like I said I would because I am a man of my word. I also feel like you are worried about being accused. this is the most i've ever seen you post, madnessman. scared? Feels like you were really quick to defend yourself. If you were green you would be like "what do i have to hide?", but that's not how you're being. That's the most retarded counterargument ever sigh... I was going to write a post in this thread about how it might not be the best idea for L to lynch you if he wins mayor, but now I am having second thoughts about doing that. This is the most you've ever seen me post?!?! Are you talking about EVER?! Because in that case you must need glasses since somehow you managed to miss this post last game: + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2010 01:10 madnessman wrote: So I have an incredibly short attention span, and with the way this game has gone, I can feel my interest slipping -_-;; It seems to me as though both mafia teams are discussing behind closed doors, and townies are not doing anything. I also have a feeling I'm going to get hit tonight, so I figure I may as well take a gamble and write this. Basically, I would like to propose to townies that we band together, unite, and vote in unison to lynch L. The basis behind my proposal is mainly behavioral related, with some clue analysis thrown in. These are my reasons: 1. The chances that a mayor/pardoner is a member of the mafia are extremely, extremely high. Here's what I wrote in a PM to DoctorHelvetica the day before yesterday: After looking at Foolishness' post though, maybe I am giving the mafia too much credit. Maybe there's a chance they played it too risky/were too disorganized and let a mayoral position slip from their grasp. But I think the chances of that are quite slim. A single team could singlehandedly have won the mayoral/pardoner positions given how many people abstained. (This doesn't mean that we should discredit the people who abstained/voted for other candidates though, obviously. As DoctorHelvetica was so kind to share: ) As we can also see from Foolishness' post, a mayoral candidate who played it pretty "safely" and didn't rely on a last minute influx of votes was L. But many of the last influx of votes were green townies, and therefore I think there's a better chance L is mafia over redtooth. I am well aware that I was one of the foolish people who voted L for mayor, but the reasons why I did so I see now in retrospect are quite foolish. I voted for him because (a) he presented himself as a leader with a strong, decisive voice at a time when everyone was confused and unsure (b) i didn't think his profile had enough substance for incognito to write clues on. with regards to (a), I see how stupid it was of me to jump on the L bandwagon. First off, the fact that he presented himself as a decisive leader is something any mafia member would do. To hold influence over the town is such an invaluable asset in this game. with regards to (b), this leads me to point #2. 2. At first, I thought that it was impossible for L to be mafia because his profile has absolutely no substance whatsoever. I believe he wasn't able to upload a picture until AFTER the game started, and his quote is "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW." this isn't a reference to anything as far as i can tell, and is SO little for incognito to base claims on. i now see that i was quite stupid to think that way. while his profile/picture contains absolutely nothing for incog to base his clues off, his very name "L" does fit the clues. L is of course in reference to the detective character in death note. let's read this part of day 2's passage: + Show Spoiler + When he finally arrived at his victim’s house, he noticed that the door had been left wide open. Cautiously, he peeked in the window, noticing that a pot of soup was still cooking on the stove. A pencil and a few charts were also spread on the table, but the Mafioso could not notice that anything important or telling about the papers. Figuring that his victim had been alerted to his presence and had hidden all his important documents before hastily vanishing, the Mafioso tiptoed upstairs, careful not to make any noises that could alert his victim. Upon reaching the upstairs bedroom, the Mafioso noticed fresh tracks beneath the window, and jumped down, careful not to disturb the tracks. He raced through the forest, and soon found his robed target sitting by the lake. Ace felt no surprise as he turned around to greet the Mafioso. He was about to warn the Mafioso that he couldn’t hide in the darkness, when suddenly the Mafioso sprayed gasoline all over Ace and quickly lit a match. As he left the scene, Ace’s attacker muttered to himself, thinking how much fun it would be to terrorize the town not only in the darkness, but also in the light. what characterizes L (the detective) in death note? he is extremely thoughtful, clever, observant. the way the mafiaso acts in this passage just REEKS of someone with L's character. he plots/plans/observes/is clever and thoughtful. he doesn't just jump into action but is very sly and clever about what he does. he cautiously checks the room first. he checks the papers to see if they're important. he slyly tiptoes up the stairs so he doesn't alert his victim. he cleverly notices fresh tracks and follows them. with regard to the whole darkness and light thing, L's enemy is Light Yagami. perhaps the whole L hides in darkness because his enemy is Light could account for this part of the clue. 3. so the pm that i sent doctorhelvetica -- time stamp: 09:53. next thing i know, meeple goes + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 10:40 meeple wrote: My analysis: ... Killer 5:[r]madnessman[/r] Bickering and madness references Dunno about the others yet followed by L who goes: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 11:18 L wrote: I think incog made the clues easier this time, because I'm pretty sure i can name like 4 people with 80% certainty. nemy madnessman mystlord phrubaz Pretty sure i can find more, but that's my quick first reading. I'm going to be pretty blunt and say please lynch me if I post before tomorrow because I really need to get this work done and without the threat of me dying I will likely come back :/ BRB 12 HOURS. and then later his explanation: + Show Spoiler + The two guys arguing seem to be madnessman. This one is a bit weaker than my other connections, but I haven't found anything that explains the key points quite as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=madnessman Basically there are two birds which are fundamentally opposed to each other, but more importantly, one of them is a completely fearless dick who does whatever he wants despite prohibitions to the contrary: hence guts. I don't really have anything that explains the pan, though. this is the passage in which both meeple and L reference: + Show Spoiler + d3_crescentia was getting ready for bed, when he heard some strange noises outside. It seemed at first that some bickering had broken out. When he walked outside, he heard some cursing, and shouting. Puzzled, d3_crescentia went to investigate. As it turns out, the man who was being yelled at had scrawled graffiti all over the man’s house. d3_crescentia attempted to intervene, but a cold menacing glare came over the duo’s faces. Before d3_crescentia could cry for help, a pan was flung into his face, knocking his teeth into his brain. d3_crescentia died soon after from internal bleeding in the brain. are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! this coming from the guy who claims he's such an excellent clue analyzer with great success. because when people squabble/argue/draw grafitti, these are extremely telling signs of MADNESS. the fact that both meeple and L would out of nowhere draw such bullshit, terrible clue analysis on me a few minutes apart definitely caught my attn. i'd like to give meeple and L credit and say there's no way they could be so terrible at clue analysis, but why would they both suddenly do this? and within minutes of each other? my behavior has been in no way suspicious; if anything, i started off this game completely ignorant of the mechanics of internet mafia and extremely unsure/looking for the guidance of vets. therefore it is a possibility to me that doctorhelvetica shared my pm (in which i am suspicious of redtooth+L) with them, as both accusations sprung up soon after i pm'd dr.H. but honestly, i think it is behavior like this/tendency to point fingers and create suspicion without a basis that are telltale signs of mafia. SO i hope i have made a good enough argument that all you townies/other mafia team will consider lynching L tonight. of course i am not absolutely certain that i am correct in my accusation, but i've thought this through and i dont think we have much to lose. i understand that u all may be wary to lynch L; after all, L is pardoner and has the ability to pardon lynches. but what use is a pardoner to us who can't figure out the difference between mafia and townsman? as i've shown in #3, we have reason to believe that either his analysis is extremely flawed or that his accusations are heavily biased. there's no point in having a pardoner who MOST LIKELY will end up pardoning people who are mafia members. if he is a mafia member, he will pardon his fellow mafia members. if he isn't a mafia member, he will probably pompously and incorrectly asses the situation, and end up pardoning a mafia member as well. furthermore, the way this game is going down, it's now 25v10v10. we townspeople are STILL disorganized and disunited vs. two coherent, organized teams, and to add insult to injury, we're being picked off like flies. at this point, there's no point in our going after "small fish." we need to hit them now, and where it would hurt. like i said, i could be wrong that L is mafia, but i hope my reasoning has shown that it is worth it to make this gamble. in terms of calculated risks and potential gain, it is very very worth it. 4. on a final note, consider this: L claims he is such an amazing clue analyzer, but currently he is down 0/2. i dont base this as a reason to lynch him, as everyone makes mistakes. HOWEVER, if u scroll through the thread, u will see that he pushed for ace and emp to be killed/lynched both with extreme conviction. i myself am pushing for L to be lynch, but i acknowledge that there is room for error. L does no such thing. any towns person would hesitate and not be so ready to kill off another person, as there's a high chance (3/5th chance) that said person is a fellow townie, and killing off a fellow townie is not beneficial to the rest of the town. on the other hand, a mafia member would not be so hesitant because either way, as long as the person they accuse/push for ISNT on their team, he's either on the rivalry mafia team or a townie, both of which are readily dispensable for him. while i construct my argument on why it is worth it to take this RISK, L doesn't even seem to care about the consequences for the town if he is wrong. tl;dr: just read the bold points. we have strong reason to believe L is mafia. Honestly if I were mafia, I would probably ignore your accusations and not draw your attention to yourself, since not a lot of people take you seriously. BUT being the dedicated town member I am, I decided to explain my motivations behind voting for L to you. Since this is a game without any contextual clues in the day posts, we only have behavioral clues and we need to question everything we know. Therefore, I thought it necessary to explain away this "incriminating behavioral clue" that you seem to think I've displayed -_-. | ||
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On March 13 2010 10:52 Zona wrote: Why are you dictating a list for the DT's and Medics? Do you have any reasons for the people you've chosen? Let the DTs and medics choose for themselves. If you post a public list, and the DTs and medics actually follow it, the mafia bus driver can effectively screw with the town without even needing to find his/her fellow mafia members in order to coordinate. I think these lists are not a helpful idea for the town. It also irks me that you've declared your idea to be final without thinking through the differences in the mechanics in this game. Or perhaps you have, but decided to hold such things back and post the flawed argument nonetheless. Yuck. Also, what the heck is this: Why are you simply naming the other reputable players in the game? "Good enough to be mafia"? How does being "good" have any relation to their chance of being mafia in a game with randomly distributed roles? And being quiet isn't automatically a mafia tell. Maybe they just want to try a different style this game. Finally, did you put a serious effort into your election campaign beyond the initial posts? nemY is absolutely right in this case. First of all the GF role only has a purpose if the DT is still around, so if you lose the DT, the GF is just another mafia member. Secondly, and I'm probably reiterating things that everyone knows, the power of the DT is not only to identify mafia but to privately or publicly confirm town members for various uses. (Private trust-worthy discussions, for example.) And so trading the DT for a single mafia member is not ideal. I'm surprised that this early in the game I'm making a post of this size focused on just one of our players, but those three statements are truly bad ideas that do not help the town. Whether they were things you truly overlooked while formulating your ideas or are intentional actions, the town will have to examine what plans you propose very carefully. P.S. Everyone who's using red and blue and whatever colors to strengthen your posts - please don't. The colors themselves do not contribute anything whatsoever to your reasoning, and instead (at least to me) shows that you don't have enough confidence in your arguments alone and have to rely on gimmicks to reinforce them. Wow... that was honestly a great, well thought out post Zona ^_^ | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:53 citi.zen wrote: I initially voted BC because he claimed to be DT, and a DT in one of the mayoral positions is extremely extremely helpful for the town. When it became clear that BC was definitely going to be mayor, I changed my vote to L, because he implied that he too is a powerful blue, and Incog never seemed to deny that he was a green. HOWEVER, as I was skimming through the posts I had missed, I came across this: My vote did change, but my approach remained consistent: vote people who claimed blue. So yeah, you can hope I will change my mind. But will it happen? BOO! On March 13 2010 08:57 Incognito wrote: Knowing that Incog. is ALSO claiming blue completely changed my perspective. Because what are the odds that the three most veteran players ARE ALL BLUE?? Between L and Incog. I was torn--was one of them lying? I decided that between L and Incog, L was marginally more suspicious in my eyes, especially with sidesprang voting for him out of nowhere and only saying some stupid post, completely meaningless post:Once again, I'm not green. Why do you keep saying that? Its just like everyone else saying you're DT. I'm not implying that I'm trying to avoid leading. Yay reading comprehension. I'm looking at it from the a likely mafia point of view. You've done a good job painting me green, which may keep me alive once I lose office. Its harder to throw dirt on me. It would be simpler just to kill me. Its just a lot easier to discredit someone who posts abrasively and unclearly. Like you. So just look carefully at the people who vote you then try to plant seeds of doubt. That is all. L seriously, who do you think of lynching if elected mayor? On March 12 2010 16:48 sidesprang wrote: so I decided to change my vote to Incog. I later saw Zona's post, and wondered if it was a bad idea to impulsively switch to Incog. But with only three minutes left to spare and it still being 5 vs. 7, I figured it didn't matter--L would win pardoner. It turned 9 o clock and I thought voting was over. But then at 9.01 BM changed his vote, and thinking this was all incredibly suspicious, I tried to change mine back...but it was too late. This is my first post, its coming up really late. Sorry about that, FF13 messed up my schoolwork which then again messed up my mafiaposting. I've now read through all the posts, and i ended up voting for L. Beliving he is the best bet for pro-town player. Tho honestly i dont think im capable of spotting scummy behavior this early in the game :S When i analyzed players before i usualy was looking at clues because that was the easiest(altho im usualy wrong there to  ). | ||
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On March 13 2010 15:17 L wrote: Short version: I switched my vote but thought it wouldn't matter. Sorry, doesn't work like that. Did you not read the entirety of my post? Short version: Voted for you ONLY because I was under the impression that Incog. was green. Realized that he claimed blue as well, decided I was less suspicious of him than you. Had second thoughts and tried to change back my vote when last minute sketchy voting happened by jeejee+BM, but alas it was too late. | ||
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On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote: Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history. Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote. And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one? | ||
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Therefore, I'd like to defend myself and hope that when I get internet access next, I won't find myself hanging from the gallows -_-. People seem to be suspicious of me because of what happened during voting. First off, as I've mentioned earlier, I changed my vote because I realized that Incog was also claiming a blue role. I'd voted for L on the assumption that Incog was green. Seeing that Incog also claimed blue changed everything; if it were between Incog (green) and L (blue), I would choose L. Why? I was uncertain of L, but L has been claiming that he's an important blue role that has the ability to self-kill mafia/put them in harms way. So even though I was very uncertain of L, it seemed too much of a gamble to vote for Incog (a green) and not give L protection. HOWEVER, seeing that Incog claimed blue, that whole thought process was void. Between Incog (blue) and L (blue), I was preferred Incog. Secondly, the last three people to change their votes and cause Incog to win pardoner instead of L were me, JeeJee, and Bill Murray. I changed my vote at 8.33, changing the vote count to Incog 5: L 7. If I were mafia, I would need TWO more people to change their votes in order for Incog to win. Jeejee changed his vote at 8:58. This changed the vote count to Incog 6: L 6. As we all know, Jeejee was a green townie. As such, if I were mafia and wanted Incog to win, don't you guys think it would be cutting it AWFULLY AWFULLY close to wait until 8:58 for 2 more people to change their votes?? If I were mafia, there's no way that I could have known Jeejee would try to swing votes, as he initiated the act to swing votes completely of his own accord. We then see that BM changed his vote to Incog at 9:01. This is ONE MINUTE after voting should have ended. I even explicitly pointed out in the voting thread that BM was voting AFTER when I believed voting was closed. If I were mafia and trying to swing votes, why would I even protest that BM was voting after 9? I even tried to change my vote back because I got suspicious as hell by JeeJee and BM swinging votes literally 3 mins before voting ended. Also, BM has been pointing fingers nonstop at me. If we were voting and acting in unison, why would he be on my case in such a ridiculous fashion? I think BM himself is acting scummy as hell, and in a much different fashion than he was last game. He accuses me of being mafia merely for defending L. When I change my vote to Incog, even though HE WAS THE ONE WHO CAST THE LAST DECIDING VOTE, he accuses me for voting for the same person that he voted for. What is the logic behind it? I honestly don't understand. To those who are voting for me to be lynched, please voice the reasons why you guys are voting for me. And if you are unmoved by my explanation and logic, and still believe me to be mafia, please tell me why. So that I may defend myself before I fly off tomorrow -_-. Honestly, if I were mafia, what would be the purpose behind my actions? There would be literally NO POINT in me doing what I did, especially since the very person who changed the election outcome voted the same way as i did, yet has been accusing me of being mafia, both when i voted for L and when i voted for incog. If I were a member of the mafia, why would i change my vote to incog if in the 2 ppl who voted after me, 1 was townie and the other has been accusing me nonstop for stupid baseless reasons? I believe this shows that i wasn't in any way trying to swing votes. i honestly changed my vote only because i realized that incog was also claiming blue. If you're going to vote for me to be lynched, please state why if you remain unconvinced >_> | ||
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On March 16 2010 09:49 L wrote: Mang, good quoting skills. 1) He PM'd me afterwards, like I said in the thread and made an emotional "OH FUCK I SCREWED UP SORRY (((((((((((((((((((((((" post. Generally, I've found these scummy in the past, but Ver's a better player than I am when it comes to looking at individuals and thinks this is a typical town reaction to a bad situation. Given that a policy lynch on being a douchebag vote swinger could go to BM or MM, I'd rather it goes to BM, hence my vote. Which is going to stay there. oh gawd. I pm'd you saying: ahh shit. sorry you got screwed over, and that it was partly my fault. do you think that you'll get killed tonight? L, plz don't be such a drama queen. With that said, I am back! On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote: ummm, no @ BM. i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing. as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats. clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up. my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first. LOL wtf is this post. It's definitely likely that one of them is mafia, but we shouldn't try to discern which one of them is by the process of elimination, especially when ALL THREE of them are claiming blue, and as such, there is so much at stake. Surely there's a better way to do this then going "inny minny miney mo" and pointing at one of them? Lol. | ||
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madnessman
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On March 17 2010 09:48 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like a lot of the things I've been saying are very relevant. I understand why the mafia are complaining to flamewheel as they want to shut me up. LOL please don't flatter yourself; I honestly doubt mafia members are complaining to flamewheel to shut you up. It seems to me as though that AFTER somebody pointed out you're posting very differently from previous games (citi.zen and incog i think?) you hasten back to your previous, spammy ways. Any explanation for that? Anyhow, not much use posting now since the day post goes up in like 10 mins I think, and more clues are to be had! Dun dun dun. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
Since both bodyguards were bumped off, can we safely assume that at least one of the mayor/pardoner people are legit? | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On March 17 2010 11:07 citi.zen wrote: Not even remotely - why would a mafia in office care if BG's are killed? It's not like they need them for protection, and in fact it can be an easy way to increase credibility - OMG they must be coming for us!!?!? Don't assume anything until the officials start to speak up and actually make sense. Lol.. wow, you're right; I somehow completely didn't consider this. The thing is though, if mafia have a member in office and just killed off the 2 BG's, they would essentially be wasting 2 KP on people they know are just regular green townies, instead of gunning for potential blues. It seems to me that the only reason why the mafia would do this is if they thought they would be unable to accomplish a successful lynch of the mayoral role that they do not have in office. Last game, I was a firm advocate that AT LEAST the mayor or pardoner HAD to be mafia, given the game format with 2 mafia teams, and the very, very low vote count of elections, to the point that I hopped on the redtooth bandwagon, just because I thought redtooth may be mafia, and was fairly certain that L was, and he promised to off himself if redtooth flipped blue (which he did, but L didn't hold himself up to that end of the bargain lulz). But in this game, I am not so sure whether there's mafia in office. According to Incog and BC, they have worked together using their respective roles of busing and role checking to confirm each others roles. So with regard to there being mafia in office, it seems that BC is a confirmed DT, and Incog is a confirmed bus driver. The question is then, is Incog town or mafia aligned? There's definitely a chance that he's mafia aligned, but I don't know how we could discern whether he is one or not. Even if he is though, I don't think it'd be a huge threat to the town. He's probably not in contact with fellow mafia, which makes me doubt that Incog and BC could both be collaborating and both be mafia (in which case the town would be screwed). And a mafia-aligned bus driver with no more swaps left and not knowing who his team mates probably isn't much use to them. What I think we should think about is whether the mafia only ran ONE mayoral candidate--Malongo. Keep in mind that Malongo ran really late in the game, which could be indicative of the fact that the mafia didn't have anybody who took decisive action, and up and ran without consulting the rest of the team. This would make me more inclined to think that our officials are legit. Someone I would like to call out though is tree.hugger. I was looking at the players list and had completely forgotten that you were playing. Your last post was on like the 13th I think? Where you been, man? Also, l10f, all you've contributed lately is telling flamewheel how he formatted the coloring in his post wrong. (lol). I do realize though that last game, you were a blue and you were awfully quiet as well. But as Zona said before he died (RIP Zona!), keeping quiet only hinders the town in a game where there are no behavioral clues. So post your thoughts on what's going on? | ||
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