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Garimto blogs about Starcraft II

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33383 Posts
March 05 2010 20:13 GMT
#1
This is a post from Garimto's website, written on March 5th. Garimto has been playing the SC II Beta lately, and he was ranked highly the last time I checked.

Source : Garimto


It feels like Protoss and Zerg have established a power duo at the top.

It's a step up from the Protoss dominance early on, but it's still unfortunate that there's not many Terran players.

I think now, that ZvP is just a matter of who is the better player.

Starcraft II is a game where the person who thinks faster wins, not the person who clicks faster. They cut down on a lot of the repetitive macro, and offered a lot of solutions through counters and thoughtful play.

Multiple building selection means you don't need a godly left hand. You can just put everything on one key, and tab through the buildings to produce.

When you make buildings, you can order a bunch of workers to start make a building and only one of them will go follow your orders. If you're building a lot of buildings at once, you can just select 5~6 workers and tell them to build and they'll go about it smartly.

There's no worry about ordering workers to make a building and have it fail because you ran out of money, because you spend the money at the moment you order the building to be built. Of course, you get the money back if you cancel it.

By reducing manual tasks here and there, they try to make you focus on battles, build orders, and strategies.

Still, there are some problems with balance right now.

For example, there's PvP. PvP right now is one step away from being a total disaster. There's no way to stop 3 Warpgate zealots with an offensive pylon in the opponent's base. Your only counter is to do the same thing.

Also, Terran is a difficult race. Similar to SC1 in that way. They have to fight using a wide variety of units in and skills, and you have to manage a large amount of them at the same time.

Now that I think about it, even though I said the person who thinks faster has the advantage, it's still a nice to have quick hands anyway.

It's like playing TvP with 3 control groups of M&M, while you control a group of wraiths, EMP high templars, plant mines around the map, while still producing troops from your main. And then on top of that you have to focus fire your opponent's colossus with marauders.

You have to be able to do all of this during combat to be good at Terran. It's really hard to win as terran with simple strategies. As Protoss or Zerg (especially Zerg, as an extension from SC1), you can win a game just by playing a macro game with lots of troops. Brood Lords make the enemy's ground troops useless, and Hydralisks are specialized anti-air units. With Hydralisks defending the brood lords, you can play even long game without that much micro.

For protoss, they have an awesome ground unit called the Immortal, so they can just use those with some good storms, while the warp gates make producing troops so much easier, making it easy to play a macro game.

From what I've seen so far, I think this might be a difficult game for beginners. It's not a game like BW where you can win just by just blindly making a lot of units.
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zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
March 05 2010 20:19 GMT
#2
Thanks Wax, i love Garimto. Great blog
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Niten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States598 Posts
March 05 2010 20:19 GMT
#3
That's a really insightful blog there. I hadn't thought of sc2 as a "quicker thinker" game, but I suppose though the reduced redundancy of clicks, that's what it would have to become.

nice read, thx!
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 20:20:33
March 05 2010 20:20 GMT
#4
Lolololol

By the end he makes it sound like bw is a game for noobs and SC2 is the hardcore one.

Very interesting, I expected him to be more critical, he didn't even really mention micro.
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zee
Profile Joined January 2010
201 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 20:25:04
March 05 2010 20:20 GMT
#5
thx for the translation!
MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
March 05 2010 20:20 GMT
#6
Thanks for the translation was an interesting read
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T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
March 05 2010 20:21 GMT
#7
I think it's funny how he uses bw names on SC2 units.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
March 05 2010 20:21 GMT
#8
Cool, thanks yo!

I'm very eager to hear the koreans opinions on SC2. I you find more stuff like this, please translate!
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 20:56:44
March 05 2010 20:21 GMT
#9
Wow his Korean is really good - probably better than the average native speaker.

I am illiterate.
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nZ.INFESTED
Profile Joined June 2008
Costa Rica57 Posts
March 05 2010 20:22 GMT
#10
Nice!!
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 05 2010 20:27 GMT
#11
Awesome. I hope he obtains success from SC2.
Kurdran
Profile Joined March 2010
36 Posts
March 05 2010 20:32 GMT
#12
Awesome read. Thx a lot
zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
March 05 2010 20:37 GMT
#13
"Starcraft II is a game where the person who thinks faster wins, not the person who clicks faster. They cut down on a lot of the repetitive macro, and offered a lot of solutions through counters and thoughtful play."

I totally agree with this, strategy and brains will be the biggest decider in who will win a match, not to say BW wasn't like that but anyone with good micro could pull a 4pool without having a brain cell alive. now its going to be about who thinks more ahead of the other especially with the whole this unit counters this unit concept
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520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
March 05 2010 20:47 GMT
#14
On March 06 2010 05:21 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Wow his Korean is really good - probably better than the average native speaker.

You confused Garimto with Grrrr...
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
March 05 2010 20:51 GMT
#15
God I love Garimto, thanks for this.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
March 05 2010 20:56 GMT
#16
On March 06 2010 05:47 scintilliaSD wrote:
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On March 06 2010 05:21 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Wow his Korean is really good - probably better than the average native speaker.

You confused Garimto with Grrrr...


oh my.

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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 05 2010 20:56 GMT
#17
the last line has me scratching my head... UHHHH it is WAY easier to "just make lots of units" in SC2 and win than it was/is in SCBW lol
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
March 05 2010 20:59 GMT
#18
On March 06 2010 05:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
the last line has me scratching my head... UHHHH it is WAY easier to "just make lots of units" in SC2 and win than it was/is in SCBW lol

Yea, I thought that was one of the major complaints people had about the game O_o
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
March 05 2010 21:01 GMT
#19
On March 06 2010 05:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
the last line has me scratching my head... UHHHH it is WAY easier to "just make lots of units" in SC2 and win than it was/is in SCBW lol

It's coming from the perspective of one of the brightest minds in BW history someone who started to fall behind when peoples mechanics improved. From the era he reigned in towards the current one in BW it is mechanics (making units in this case) that made people better than him. I think it is from that perspective that he says 'mind' is winning games again.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 05 2010 21:02 GMT
#20
Interesting, thanks for the translation
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