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KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Three Christian churches were attacked with firebombs Friday as tensions rose in a dispute over whether Christians could use the word “Allah” in this largely Muslim nation.
Later in the day, small crowds rallied outside two major mosques in the capital, in a growing protest over a court ruling that overturned a government ban on the use of “Allah” by Roman Catholics as a translation for God.
“Allah is only for us,” said Faedzah Fuad, 28, who participated in the rally. “The Christians can use any word, we don’t care, but please don’t use the word Allah.”
Full story: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/world/asia/09malaysia.html?ref=asia
Updates:
More Malaysian churches attacked in Allah dispute
There have been more attacks on churches in Malaysia, in a growing dispute over the use of the word Allah by non-Muslims.
The police say petrol bombs were thrown at a church and a convent school in the northern state of Perak, and at a church on the island of Sarawak.
Another church in the south of the country was daubed with black paint.
The attacks come days after four churches near the capital, Kuala Lumpur, were hit by petrol bombs.
The petrol bomb thrown at a guard house of a Catholic convent school in the town of Taiping, about 300km (185 miles) from Kuala Lumpur, did not explode.
Several broken bottles and paint thinners were found at the church next to the convent and one of the country's oldest Anglican churches, All Saints, also in Taiping, Reuters news agency reported.
Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8450713.stm
things aren't getting better there anytime soon it seems....
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This story is a fabrication; I know this because Islam is the religion of peace, and thus what you stated cannot have happened.
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On January 09 2010 11:05 Shizuru~ wrote:Show nested quote +KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Three Christian churches were attacked with firebombs Friday as tensions rose in a dispute over whether Christians could use the word “Allah” in this largely Muslim nation.
Later in the day, small crowds rallied outside two major mosques in the capital, in a growing protest over a court ruling that overturned a government ban on the use of “Allah” by Roman Catholics as a translation for God.
“Allah is only for us,” said Faedzah Fuad, 28, who participated in the rally. “The Christians can use any word, we don’t care, but please don’t use the word Allah.” Full story: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/world/asia/09malaysia.html?ref=asiapersonally i have nothing against the muslim religion, but every now and then u see news headline like these popping up that paints the whole muslims community with an image they do not deserve...
You are trying too hard to be PC.
Your reaction to Muslims attacking Churches and trying to tell people what words they are and are not allowed to say is to say that Muslims are somehow the victims... ? How about Muslims are the bad guys in this story, or at least what you quoted, and that this may or may not extend to the Muslim population as a whole.
That you managed to paint Muslims as victims from them firebombing churches is just amazing.
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On January 09 2010 11:07 cz wrote:
This story is a fabrication; I know this because Islam is the religion of peace, and thus what you stated cannot have happened.
i agree with u that muslim is a religion that promotes peace, however to say that an actual fact is false because it doesn't conform to ur personal bias, is pure ignorance...
the majority of muslim in malaysia and the whole muslim community definately does not support these actions, my point is that is it fair to paint an entire religious community because of a minority of that group constantly gets in the headlines?
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On January 09 2010 11:07 cz wrote:
This story is a fabrication; I know this because Islam is the religion of peace, and thus what you stated cannot have happened.
This 'story' or more appropriately news is real, and happened just yesterday.
I should know since I stay there. 
After the attacks, there were reports of cars with Christian articles (rosaries, religious articles) getting smashed on the streets. This however may or may not be true.
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These stories make the news because they are 'news-worthy.' I think it was Billy Graham who said something like this: you don't hear about the multitude of people who arrive by plane safely, but you definitely hear about the ones who don't.
If it's not interesting or provocative, it's less likely to make it to the news.
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Mayb you can say "Islam is a religion that promotes peace", I personally would disagree, but it's a claim that can be backed up however, if you try saying "Islam is a religion that promotes tolerance" I think you would struggle far more in justifying why.
And as tolerance must have a distinct element in an interpretation of "peace" or the promotion of, then the lack of tolerance shown by the Islamic religion year by year, is evidence to suggest that it is not a religion that promotes peace. (last paragraph was very much my opinion and very little meant to be conveyed as "fact")
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I may sound biased when i say this, but i don't even think there's any point in making these threads. It's been proven again and again that Islam promotes ridiculous amounts of extremism and fanatical zealotry in it's participants. I honestly think Islam holds back a quarter of the world as far as education is concerned, and is possibly the worst idealogical disaster since eugenics, even though i'm aware it's been around for far longer.
Basically Islam is a religion that refused to evolve with all of the other ones. Christianity eventually admitted that, for example, women being allowed to vote wasn't a sin, and many other things. All religions have advanced their sensibilities at least slightly to the left, other than Islam. It's frozen in time 1000 years ago when a religion like that gave it's leaders powers over the people, which was exactly what they wanted. But now that it's been essentially marginalized to certain parts of the world (predominately the Middle East, a good amount of Asia, and part of Europe) it just continues to harm people.
I would support a ban against practicing that religion, only because of the damage it does to its practitioners. And I realize that that would cause civil wars and political destabilization of large parts of the world, but I think it would be necessary considering that it causes some of the biggest problems in the world, and is (dare i say) actually holding the rest of us back from peaceful advancement.
I expect to be flamed for this.
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On January 09 2010 11:15 Shizuru~ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 11:07 cz wrote:
This story is a fabrication; I know this because Islam is the religion of peace, and thus what you stated cannot have happened. i agree with u that muslim is a religion that promotes peace, however to say that an actual fact is false because it doesn't conform to ur personal bias, is pure ignorance... the majority of muslim in malaysia and the whole muslim community definately does not support these actions, my point is that is it fair to paint an entire religious community because of a minority of that group constantly gets in the headlines?
The story just repeats the facts, both of the events and reactions. It is not an editorial. It doesn't paint he community in any way. Unless, of course, you mean that by reporting the facts of Muslim violence constitutes painting Muslims in a certain way, then yes, but that is the Muslims fault, not the newspapers.
I'm just amazed that out of this story the one thing you go to is viewing Muslims as victims.
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All these new articles about Muslims is starting to get ridiculous. Anyone see this one?
apparently some arab-american highschool students (in a half arab highschool) got in trouble for making these class pride shirts (and yes I know arab != muslim):
+ Show Spoiler +
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United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Please rephrase the title, that is really offensive to most of the Muslim tl members/ even thou I am moderate liberal Muslim I can't stand the tittle! You should rather rename it to "Muslim or Islam Dispute".
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On January 09 2010 11:31 Gunman_csz wrote:
Please rephrase the title, that is really offensive to most of the Muslim tl members/ even thou I am moderate liberal Muslim I can't stand the tittle! You should rather rename it to "Muslim or Islam Dispute".
I will be offended if the title is changed. Seriously.
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Nothing wrong with the title. The dispute IS regarding the 'Allah' ruling, no?
Can't stand the title, then tell nytimes to rephrase too.
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On January 09 2010 11:31 Gunman_csz wrote:
Please rephrase the title, that is really offensive to most of the Muslim tl members/ even thou I am moderate liberal Muslim I can't stand the tittle! You should rather rename it to "Muslim or Islam Dispute".
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not
edit: never mind it definitely is
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In America, angry religious zealots and purists hold picket signs of aborted babies or whatever, and scream at us telling we are sinners, then go have dinner and fall asleep.
In Asia and Europe, angry religious zealots and purists hold picket signs and try to burn things down.
brb, gotta burn down a Mormon church because they started saying Elohim. (I'm not actually Jewish, but you see the point I'm making)
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United States43350 Posts
They need to learn their history. It's not two different Gods. Islam is a semitic religion, just as Christianity. They both worship the God of Abraham. They have huge dogmatic differences but when it comes down to it, anybody who understands the history of them knows they worship the same god. So Allah is God and God is Allah and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to work on their logic.
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I want some badass to start drawing Mohammad cartoons again just for the lulz
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United States43350 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:38 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
In America, angry religious zealots and purists hold picket signs of aborted babies or whatever, and scream at us telling we are sinners, then go have dinner and fall asleep.
In Asia and Europe, angry religious zealots and purists hold picket signs and try to burn things down.
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all.
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On January 09 2010 11:39 keepITup wrote:
I want some badass to start drawing Mohammad cartoons again just for the lulz
Didn't someone just try to kill the guy who did the original one again?
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