Churches Attacked in Malaysian ‘Allah’ Dispute - Page 2

On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all.

On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally.

On January 09 2010 11:27 ghermination wrote:
I may sound biased when i say this, but i don't even think there's any point in making these threads. It's been proven again and again that Islam promotes ridiculous amounts of extremism and fanatical zealotry in it's participants. I honestly think Islam holds back a quarter of the world as far as education is concerned, and is possibly the worst idealogical disaster since eugenics, even though i'm aware it's been around for far longer.

Basically Islam is a religion that refused to evolve with all of the other ones. Christianity eventually admitted that, for example, women being allowed to vote wasn't a sin, and many other things. All religions have advanced their sensibilities at least slightly to the left, other than Islam. It's frozen in time 1000 years ago when a religion like that gave it's leaders powers over the people, which was exactly what they wanted. But now that it's been essentially marginalized to certain parts of the world (predominately the Middle East, a good amount of Asia, and part of Europe) it just continues to harm people.

I would support a ban against practicing that religion, only because of the damage it does to its practitioners. And I realize that that would cause civil wars and political destabilization of large parts of the world, but I think it would be necessary considering that it causes some of the biggest problems in the world, and is (dare i say) actually holding the rest of us back from peaceful advancement.

I expect to be flamed for this.

Despite escalating political rhetoric and the early-morning violence, the rallies of 200 to 300 people were far smaller than the thousands predicted by organizers.

On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:

No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all.

On January 09 2010 11:53 liosama wrote:


My post is mainly in response to you,
Without the birth of Islam, Christianity and most European world would have been still swimming in mud and disease.

All religion is a crock of constructed shit - don't get me wrong however, I don't mean to say that the fault lies on the religion itself. Arabic christians have long used the word "Allah" to describe their god. The word "Allah" in Arabic is no different from the word "God" in english.



lol - Our anti-war/discrimination protests Sydney have gone in the 10 000s yet you barely see any of it getting proper coverage in the media.

The fact that the churches were attacked is really sad and disgusting but mosques around the world get attacked for stupid reasons as well.

But to me, this is a classic case of orientalist proliferation to, yes, paint a bad image on arabs and muslims as a whole.

If anything, the fault of fundamentalist islam is due to capitalist societies planting in puppet democracies and monarchs which were not around in the first few decades of the 19th century, back then, most nations were extremely secular. But continued colonization, rule and exploitation thus, poverty forces things in the completely opposite direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmkfvzmLdU

Just watch this series


I'm glad no one was hurt in the attacks at least.

On January 09 2010 11:53 liosama wrote:


My post is mainly in response to you,
Without the birth of Islam, Christianity and most European world would have been still swimming in mud and disease.

On January 09 2010 11:42 konadora wrote:
Why can't everyone live like people in Singapore

Everyone lives happily together

1. I assume you are talking about Islamic hygiene. That didn't matter because Christians and Europeans didn't follow it, thus they dealt with diseases anyway.
2. We would have figured it out.

From reading all of your post you appear to not be a religious person so seems strange that you would write such an ignorant statement that would be associated with fundamentalist belief, but I shouldn't have even read your whole post when you opened it with that. That is some serious bullshit.

On January 09 2010 12:31 liosama wrote:


Again both of these posts show how little you guys know about human historical progression. By saying "without islam" I by all means am not saying " Islam is the best" that is a preposterous thing to say. I see how you, XeliN assume that to be fundamentalist b.s because you see all cheap shit "CONVERT TO MY RELIGION" websites using their golden ages as testament to how great their religion is and thus everyone should convert to it - No i'm merely stating a truth which all historians and academics know much about today but is hardly ever discussed among the public circles - which is no accident.

I'm not going to spoon feed you with examples of (not just hygienic) contributions one culture has provided to the other. You do your own homework.

On January 09 2010 12:43 StarsPride wrote:
Religion and science. One answers the question. The other tries.
Science cant explain how we originated and i dont think it ever will. Im not saying religion is right but i am saying there is no way to know. Science and logic can only answer so many questions. And debunking religion is just as impossible as trying to find out how we originated through science and logic. I personally don't believe Creationism is the answer. Because Creationism is an answer to a question we don't understand by nature on how we came to be. And it cant be creationism cause that wouldn't explain god.
Don't turn this into a religion thread by calling other people who follow christianity,islam ect. stupid, cause you really are the idiot.

On January 09 2010 12:43 StarsPride wrote:
Religion and science. One answers the question. The other tries.
Science cant explain how we originated and i dont think it ever will. Im not saying religion is right but i am saying there is no way to know. Science and logic can only answer so many questions. And debunking religion is just as impossible as trying to find out how we originated through science and logic. I personally don't believe Creationism is the answer. Because Creationism is an answer to a question we don't understand by nature on how we came to be. And it cant be creationism cause that wouldn't explain god.
Don't turn this into a religion thread by calling other people who follow christianity,islam ect. stupid, cause you really are the idiot.

On January 09 2010 12:48 cz wrote:


This thread has nothing to do with science vs religion.