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On January 09 2010 11:27 ghermination wrote:
I may sound biased when i say this, but i don't even think there's any point in making these threads. It's been proven again and again that Islam promotes ridiculous amounts of extremism and fanatical zealotry in it's participants. I honestly think Islam holds back a quarter of the world as far as education is concerned, and is possibly the worst idealogical disaster since eugenics, even though i'm aware it's been around for far longer.
Basically Islam is a religion that refused to evolve with all of the other ones. Christianity eventually admitted that, for example, women being allowed to vote wasn't a sin, and many other things. All religions have advanced their sensibilities at least slightly to the left, other than Islam. It's frozen in time 1000 years ago when a religion like that gave it's leaders powers over the people, which was exactly what they wanted. But now that it's been essentially marginalized to certain parts of the world (predominately the Middle East, a good amount of Asia, and part of Europe) it just continues to harm people.
I would support a ban against practicing that religion, only because of the damage it does to its practitioners. And I realize that that would cause civil wars and political destabilization of large parts of the world, but I think it would be necessary considering that it causes some of the biggest problems in the world, and is (dare i say) actually holding the rest of us back from peaceful advancement.
I expect to be flamed for this.
Are you nuts or something? Islam is the most adaptable religion I saw, modern day scholars look at everyday news etc and issue new things etc. Dude i fucking hate all of these retards that just fucking ruin my RELIGION! They just show a retarded example and provided the fucking media the easiest road to throw biases into people's minds. FUCK FUCK FUCK!
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It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.
I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.
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On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.
I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.
Its sad that retards start thinking "OH HEY MY RELIGION IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, SAY ANYTHING AGAINST IT AND I WILL DESTROY YOU!" God these people drive me nuts, thats why religion is driving off from every single one of its roots because some people just want to take their crazy ideas and show them off like a puppet show.
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REVIVE THE CRUSADERS, LET'S TAKE BACK WHATS OURS !!!
Seriously though, this is just going to create more tension between the West and the muslims...
And also, if the story is true... Then wow, wth, people are behaving like little children :s
"YOu can't use Allah because that's our word"
"...Allah"
"MOM HE'S DOING IT AGAIN !!"
And also, God = Allah right? Christianity = Islam but only other prophets and culture and stuff right?
I don't get it..
EDIT: just realized that I used the word "Allah" three times...
*four times*
I'll go hide in a cave for ten years now bye
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Bunch of adults being mass controlled to remain ignorant. How else can you explain a bunch of adults fighting over the use of a word?
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On January 10 2010 03:13 PanN wrote:
Bunch of adults being mass controlled to remain ignorant. How else can you explain a bunch of adults fighting over the use of a word?
Nigger.
Oh shit I'm being racist! My skin color is wrong, so I can't use that word! If only I produced more melanin, would it be socially acceptable!
Words by themselves have meaning, but the intention behind the words being spoken or written is very important as well.
I don't mind people wallowing in their own ignorance, but when they try to propagate it, it becomes a problem.
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On January 09 2010 20:59 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally. Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say " well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol
Chechnya?
Europe?
Seriously?
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god damned minarets.
I can't properly put into the words how angry religion and its tyrants make me. Its always funny to see islamic people complaining about the injustices of the western system against thier ideals.
allah be damned, funny mohhamed cartoon be praised and let all these zealots soak up mine hits.
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On January 10 2010 03:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 20:59 ghostWriter wrote:On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally. Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say " well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol Chechnya? Europe? Seriously?
I don't know what the Basques and the Paris riots have to do with Islam either. Maybe people don't know that nobody was killed during the riots ( contrarily to the Watts riots or the LA riots in the US ). It is impressive to burn your neighbour's car ( or your own to get a compensation lol ) in front of the TV but that doesn't mean that the whole Europe is more violent or extremist than America and it has nothing to do with Islam.
Also the Basque separatists are dangerous nutjobs that rely on assassination and bombing because their ideas aren't even shared by Basque people. They are not numerous ( most of them are in prison ) and disliked by pretty much everybody lol.
They have 0 political influence since Batasuna have been outlawed by both Spain and the European Court of Human Rights.
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On January 10 2010 03:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 20:59 ghostWriter wrote:On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally. Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say " well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol Chechnya? Europe? Seriously?
I wasn't sure if Russia is considered Europe or not, but it was just one example out of 3 that makes a mockery of your ridiculous "Europe has no extremism" bullshit.
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As a muslim, I really dont mind anyone using the word Allah instead of the word God. They are indeed one in the same. I actually think it is a compliment to our religion.
The violoence displayed by muslims in Malaysia were wrong.
There's some ridiculous posts in here and at first I want to respond with epic flaming...but these people will just remain ignorant.
So just chill and go watch NonY get his ass whipped!
Peace be upon all TL members ! :D
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Do NOT be religious. i repeat, under any circumstances, do NOT be religious.
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As an atheist, I would like to thank you for your permission to use your word, inforsomechop.
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On January 10 2010 03:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2010 20:59 ghostWriter wrote:On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally. Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say " well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. And some of them were responsible for slightly more recent bombings in your fine country. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol Chechnya? Europe? Seriously?
Geographically, Chechnya lies within Europe, yes. The division between Asia and Europe runs along the Caucasus Mountains and Ural Mountains. Perhaps you'd like to redefine that boundary?
Anyway, you and Boblion are not addressing the post he replied to, where I enumerate what I feel are somewhat stronger examples of extremism that I don't think can be so easily laughed off. Though from your post I can assume you'll pick the weakest one, mock it (even if you're wrong) and ignore the rest.
*EDIT* updated the quote of my earlier post that I edited after it was originally quoted
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I don't blame the entire muslim community but I do agree with the fact that it does give muslims a bad image when ppl do something like that. One bad apple can ruin the entire bunch.
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On January 10 2010 07:20 MamiyaOtaru wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 03:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 20:59 ghostWriter wrote:On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote:On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote:On January 09 2010 11:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote:
No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. That was one crazed man trying to save thems sacred baybays; this story features an organized rally. Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say " well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. And some of them were responsible for slightly more recent bombings in your fine country. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol Chechnya? Europe? Seriously? Geographically, Chechnya lies within Europe, yes. The division between Asia and Europe runs along the Caucasus Mountains and Ural Mountains. Perhaps you'd like to redefine that boundary? Anyway, you and Boblion are not addressing the post he replied to, where I enumerate what I feel are somewhat stronger examples of extremism that I don't think can be so easily laughed off. Though from your post I can assume you'll pick the weakest one, mock it (even if you're wrong) and ignore the rest. *EDIT* updated the quote of my earlier post that I edited after it was originally quoted
Well i don't know why you mix me with Kwark because if you read closely i'm not saying the same thing and actually i think that his posts were quite biaised and not really usefull.
Anyway your answer isn't really great either, even if you provide some examples and did more efforts to write it.
People, especially Americans are really clueless when it comes to talk about Europe or understand what it means. Who cares if Chechnya is geographically in Europe. When ( Western ) Europeans talk about Europe it is either the Western European countries or the European Union. Culturally they are not close at all with Chechnyans. So yea war in Chechnya is irrevelant ( It is Russia fault to begin with ).
There are indeed extremists "neo nazis" in Europe but i don't really think that they are more numerous than in the United States and they don't really have the same firepower lol.
Then i answered to the two others examples of ghostwriter.
Overall i kinda agree with Kwark even if his post was quite bad as he just wanted to mock Americans. ( Western ) Europe is less violent than the US. Yea you will find neo nazis in Germany, muslim extremists in England, Eta or Ira bombings in Irland or Spain, people shooting each others in Corsica or Sicilia but the average citizen is way more peaceful and doesn't live with 5 guns in his house.
Yea it is quite a caricature again but when i see threads like that i believe there is a huge difference between America and Europe when it comes down to violence.
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People will of course spin this to make blanket statements about muslims in general but really things like this happen under the flag of any religion.
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On January 10 2010 08:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
People will of course spin this to make blanket statements about muslims in general but really things like this happen under the flag of any ideology.
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out of all the religious people i've met I think i like hindus the most.
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