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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:07 cz wrote: This story is a fabrication; I know this because Islam is the religion of peace, and thus what you stated cannot have happened. CONGRADULATIONS! You are a: ![[image loading]](http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg) | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On January 09 2010 14:40 haduken wrote: This is so retarded. Muslims do realize that their god is the same as Christian god right? That is like saying that the Greek and Roman religions were the same; it only appears to be true if you ignore the very significant differences. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 09 2010 15:32 Mindcrime wrote: That is like saying that the Greek and Roman religions were the same; it only appears to be true if you ignore the very significant differences. A good point but a bad example. Nobody knows where the Greek religion started, but if you delve very deep into the lore there is a lot of conflicting fables (for example, many times Zeus seems to father children out of the blue), only because as the culture of the Greeks solidified, every village with its own patron god and shrine had to add it's own beliefs to the big ball of religion, which is where you get these ridiculously complicated webs of gods and how they are related. The Romans, who, being partially descended from and geographically located very close too the Greeks, bloomed several hundred years after them. They absorbed most of the culture and religion of the Greeks while adapting a new language, and modifying several key parts (For example, Herkales -> Hercules, Odysseus -> Ulysses, Zeus -> Jupiter etc.) These religions were indeed very similiar and founded from the same base. Most of the lore was the same and often stories were adapted completely. For example, the Romans were acting out Philoctetes several hundred years after it had been written by the great Greek writer Sophocles, which is just one indicator of how they cannibalized much of the religion and culture of the Greeks. In the same way, Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic (or Semitic) faiths. They both have a very similiar basis and are both most likely descended from the same people in the same region, which would most likely be early Jews in portions of the middle east. Christianity and Islam are different from Greek and Roman faiths however, in the fact that they both developed in very different ways from the same base. I'm sure these parallel developments have a lot to do with geography as well, with people who moved one way developing what we call Christianity and people who moved another way developing Islam. | ||
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2011/chartyo.jpg) | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
There is nothing cool about Islam. Sure many muslims are alright people but there is just too much bullshit in Islam with how they treat women, honor, jihad etc that I think is completely fucked up. I don't want any part of it. Btw, about the danish cartoon writer: I'm not sure if someone posted this as news already but some muslim guy apparently broke into his house and tried to attack him. (January 2:nd) http://abcnews.go.com/International/wirestory?id=9463387&page=1 The guy is 74 and his granddaughter who's 5 was with him. Wtf | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:41 KwarK wrote: No, in America they shoot abortion doctors whereas in Europe they do petitions and talk about it all. And in Europe, nothing happens lol | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
i was pretty pissed when i saw that | ||
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
in related news this 74 years old danish cartoonist dude is essentially in the witness protection program lol "Westergaard, who has been the target of several death threats since depicting the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban, has been under round-the-clock protection by Danish police since February 2008." "Efforts to protect the artist — 74-year-old Kurt Westergaard — were immediately stepped up, as he was moved to an undisclosed location."  | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On January 09 2010 12:43 StarsPride wrote: Religion and science. One answers the question. The other tries. Science cant explain how we originated and i dont think it ever will. Im not saying religion is right but i am saying there is no way to know. Science and logic can only answer so many questions. And debunking religion is just as impossible as trying to find out how we originated through science and logic. I personally don't believe Creationism is the answer. Because Creationism is an answer to a question we don't understand by nature on how we came to be. And it cant be creationism cause that wouldn't explain god. Don't turn this into a religion thread by calling other people who follow christianity,islam ect. stupid, cause you really are the idiot. On January 09 2010 12:52 StarsPride wrote: The idea that there is a god. Isn't fantasy but a reality. it may not be a christian or an islam god. But with no explanation to the answer god is a logical one. On January 09 2010 13:26 StarsPride wrote: This is a valid arguement, its just impossible to argue whose right or wrong, and you prove ur self an idiot by saying your answer "there is no god" When stephen hawkings him self said there is a possibility but you deny the possibility? There is a possibility for everything. Just because the possibility exists doesn't mean that it's not so astronomically small so as to be negligible. ![[image loading]](http://img191.imageshack.us/i/68697787.jpg/) ![[image loading]](http://g.imageshack.us/img191/68697787.jpg/1/) And it's hard to take you seriously when you type the way you do. On January 09 2010 11:31 Gunman_csz wrote: Please rephrase the title, that is really offensive to most of the Muslim tl members/ even thou I am moderate liberal Muslim I can't stand the tittle! You should rather rename it to "Muslim or Islam Dispute". Or he can keep the title the same and you can get over yourself. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote: Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Bull and shit. I was going to say "well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. And some of them were responsible for slightly more recent bombings in your fine country. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On January 09 2010 20:56 MamiyaOtaru wrote: Bull and shit. I was going to say "well, there may not be a lot of "ethnic European" extremists, but you sure have a lot among the immigrant population", when I remembered even that assertion is going too far. The former East Germany has lots of neo Nazis. They have a political party that holds seats in a couple state governments. Germany isn't the only country with Neo Nazis either, don't even try to pretend otherwise. And though less extreme, Austria had Jörg Haider as part of a coalition government. Britain has the BNP. Forgetting all of them, during the time I lived in England the IRA set off a couple rather large bombs. Around that same time Europe had a troubling incident with ethnic cleansing (never again, except in the Balkans maybe). And to get back to my original point, on top of all that there is your problem with a population that is less than fully integrated (which maybe you'd like to pretend isn't European, despite there being millions of them who aren't going anywhere), from which you get sweet stuff like dudes holding up "kill those who insult Islam" signs while the Bobbies stand by, or who embark on week long riots over some cartoons. You have to be fucking kidding me "Europe has no extremism". If your post was sarcastic, I got trolled. If it wasn't, pull your head out. Paris riots Basque separatists Chechnya lololol | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:15 Shizuru~ wrote: i agree with u that muslim is a religion that promotes peace But what does that mean? Islamic worldview divides the world into the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-Harb (House of Islam, and House of War respectively) which some interpret to mean a belief that the world will be at peace when the House of Islam comprises the whole world. That is to say: Islam is the religion of peace, because there will be peace when the entire world is Islamic*. Until then, all bets are off in the House of War. That interpretation is obviously somewhat reactionary, and I am in no position to judge its accuracy (perhaps someone closer to the source can weigh in). But it's pretty easy to see how someone might see "religion of peace" and not be comforted. It all depends on the meaning. _____ *This is assuming sectarian Shiite on Sunni violence goes away somehow, and that Arabic Muslims (Sudanese government) stop persecuting African Muslims (Darfur), and that Hamas and Fatah kiss and make up and and and | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
yeah sure we don't have any extremists in Europe... @ MamiyaOtaru Just for clarification, the Neo Nazi political party in Germany does not hold any seats in any state government anymore. But I see your point. @ intrudor I love that chart. Unfortunately, it is sad that it depicts reality to quite some extent... @ StarsPride Do you come from Kansas by any chance? Ever read this? | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On January 09 2010 21:51 ggrrg wrote: @ KwarK yeah sure we don't have any extremists in Europe... @ MamiyaOtaru Just for clarification, the Neo Nazi political party in Germany does not hold any seats in any state government anymore. But I see your point. @ intrudor I love that chart. Unfortunately, it is sad that it depicts reality to quite some extent... @ StarsPride Do you come from Kansas by any chance? Ever read this? May we all be touched by his noodly appendage. R'amen. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On January 09 2010 21:51 ggrrg wrote: @ MamiyaOtaru Just for clarification, the Neo Nazi political party in Germany does not hold any seats in any state government anymore. But I see your point. I think you will find that statement inaccurate. They currently hold six seats in Mecklenburg Vorpommern, and eight in Sachsen (which is down from 12 in 2004) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecklenburg-Vorpommern_state_election,_2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony_state_election,_2009 or http://www.mecklenburg-vorpommern.eu/cms2/Landesportal_prod/Landesportal/content/en/State_and_Government/State_Parliament/index.jsp http://www.landtag.sachsen.de/en/1716.aspx if you don't like wikipedia links. I'm a little curious why you would make that assertion when the numbers are so easily verifiable. I assume it is confusion over what I meant by government. I was referring to the parliament of each state, not the ruling coalition. For obvious reasons they haven't been offered a part in any ruling coalitions, but they have seated members in the parliaments. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 09 2010 12:50 Vedic wrote: I can't understand why Christians would want to be able to refer to their god as Allah. They're basically saying "You just worship the word for god, but it really means our god." Anyone who doesn't see this as IRL trolling is blind. Violence and bickering over the potential naming conventions of fantasy characters is hilarious. No.. Muslims and christians both worship the same god. Allah is just the arabic name of God. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2593 Posts
So, lets get back to the real deal..... a possible Flash vs Jaedong Finals!!!!!!!! : ) omgomgomgomgomgomogmomgomomgomomogmoasdaskdgaskjdsakjdhkasjckjhsakcjhas Edit: the above poster is correct btw.... as the anthem of some states in Malaysia use the term 'Allah' and is generally accepted as the god of their respective religions | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
On January 09 2010 22:25 freelander wrote: No.. Muslims and christians both worship the same god. Allah is just the arabic name of God. things are not as simple as you would like to think | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 09 2010 11:49 KwarK wrote: Still, comparing America to Europe in terms of extremism is lol. Europe has no extremism anymore. We're far too grown up for that. Eastern Europeans aren't really Europeans anyways. Story gives no context of the political and social context of Malaysia. I'd urge anyone with a brain (2, 3 of you?) to stop casting judgments about religion, when it's really just a Malaysian domestic issue. You can start to see what happens when policies of exclusion are used to mitigate conflict - take note, Europe. Also, the term 'Allah' was around before Muhammad. http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/121306 On January 09 2010 22:43 chongu wrote: **Yawnn***.... Just a bunch of Malay youths who are been badly misguided and have nothing better to do. It just shows an underlying problem of racism, inequality, education system and incredibly defunct government So, lets get back to the real deal..... a possible Flash vs Jaedong Finals!!!!!!!! : ) omgomgomgomgomgomogmomgomomgomomogmoasdaskdgaskjdsakjdhkasjckjhsakcjhas Edit: the above poster is correct btw.... as the anthem of some states in Malaysia use the term 'Allah' and is generally accepted as the god of their respective religions ^ | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On January 09 2010 15:55 ghermination wrote: A good point but a bad example. Nobody knows where the Greek religion started, but if you delve very deep into the lore there is a lot of conflicting fables (for example, many times Zeus seems to father children out of the blue), only because as the culture of the Greeks solidified, every village with its own patron god and shrine had to add it's own beliefs to the big ball of religion, which is where you get these ridiculously complicated webs of gods and how they are related. The Romans, who, being partially descended from and geographically located very close too the Greeks, bloomed several hundred years after them. They absorbed most of the culture and religion of the Greeks while adapting a new language, and modifying several key parts (For example, Herkales -> Hercules, Odysseus -> Ulysses, Zeus -> Jupiter etc.) These religions were indeed very similiar and founded from the same base. Most of the lore was the same and often stories were adapted completely. For example, the Romans were acting out Philoctetes several hundred years after it had been written by the great Greek writer Sophocles, which is just one indicator of how they cannibalized much of the religion and culture of the Greeks. They were similar, but not the same and that is the point. There were a number of Roman deities, such as Janus, Terminus, the Lares, that have no equivalents in Greek myth. Some of the Roman deities originated with the Greeks but became something very different. Mars is the best example of that. Mars was associated with agriculture and fertility and, unlike Ares, was widely revered and respected and not shown to be a fool in every myth in which he appeared. And then there is the liver and entrail divining... | ||
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