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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 01:05:57
January 10 2010 00:57 GMT
#101
On January 09 2010 12:31 liosama wrote:
Show nested quote +
1. I assume you are talking about Islamic hygiene. That didn't matter because Christians and Europeans didn't follow it, thus they dealt with diseases anyway.
2. We would have figured it out.

From reading all of your post you appear to not be a religious person so seems strange that you would write such an ignorant statement that would be associated with fundamentalist belief, but I shouldn't have even read your whole post when you opened it with that. That is some serious bullshit.


Again both of these posts show how little you guys know about human historical progression


Your posts are not only condescending, they're flat out false and contain common repeated tropes about the so-called Golden age of Islam.

Instead of lecturing people on orientalism, you need to examine your own doctrines.
I will eat you alive
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
January 10 2010 01:27 GMT
#102
On January 10 2010 02:51 DragoonPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 11:27 ghermination wrote:
I may sound biased when i say this, but i don't even think there's any point in making these threads. It's been proven again and again that Islam promotes ridiculous amounts of extremism and fanatical zealotry in it's participants. I honestly think Islam holds back a quarter of the world as far as education is concerned, and is possibly the worst idealogical disaster since eugenics, even though i'm aware it's been around for far longer.

Basically Islam is a religion that refused to evolve with all of the other ones. Christianity eventually admitted that, for example, women being allowed to vote wasn't a sin, and many other things. All religions have advanced their sensibilities at least slightly to the left, other than Islam. It's frozen in time 1000 years ago when a religion like that gave it's leaders powers over the people, which was exactly what they wanted. But now that it's been essentially marginalized to certain parts of the world (predominately the Middle East, a good amount of Asia, and part of Europe) it just continues to harm people.

I would support a ban against practicing that religion, only because of the damage it does to its practitioners. And I realize that that would cause civil wars and political destabilization of large parts of the world, but I think it would be necessary considering that it causes some of the biggest problems in the world, and is (dare i say) actually holding the rest of us back from peaceful advancement.

I expect to be flamed for this.


Are you nuts or something? Islam is the most adaptable religion I saw, modern day scholars look at everyday news etc and issue new things etc. Dude i fucking hate all of these retards that just fucking ruin my RELIGION! They just show a retarded example and provided the fucking media the easiest road to throw biases into people's minds. FUCK FUCK FUCK!


your religion ruins itself. go read the koran if you don't want to take my word for it
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 02:22:24
January 10 2010 01:27 GMT
#103
On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.

I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.


LOL at the atheists and science-worshippers. Sure, if we eliminate all religion we can get rid of all that's wrong in the world. Oh wait, I forgot that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. were all devout worshippers of God who didn't massacre innocent members of religious minorities. And certainly the innumerable humanitarian programs fueled by religious belief would certainly continue if everyone came to their senses and became atheist (hint: look at China for this dream state). Let's not forget that Eugenics was a direct result of scientific, not religious, ideas.
Let's face it people, looking at history being inhuman is the natural state of humanity, and just because people manipulate religion (along with everything else) to justify their greed, bigotry, or racism doesn't make religion the villain. If anything, religion provides a check to some of these tendencies: without religion Hitler, Mao, etc. could still exist, but Mother Teresa could not.
If you're atheist fine, but don't go calling people who differ with your OPINION ignorant misled retards because that's just announcing that you're an ignorant misled retard, and puts you on the same level as that Muslim/Christian/Hindu who right now is calling you an ignorant misled retard. Believe it or not, there is a way to rationally discuss sensitive issues like this without resorting to name calling and displays of your intellectual bigotry.
Thank you very much.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 10 2010 01:32 GMT
#104
The actions of Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were not resultant of their atheism, however many religions actively encourage violence. Atheism is not an ideology, it is a lack of religious belief and nothing further than that.
RIP Aaliyah
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
January 10 2010 01:46 GMT
#105
On January 10 2010 10:27 Savant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.

I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.


LOL at the atheists and science-worshippers. Sure, if we eliminate all religion we can get rid of all that's wrong in the world. Oh wait, I forgot that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. were all devout worshippers of God who didn't massacre innocent members of religious minorities. And certainly the innumerable humanitarian programs fueled by religious belief would certainly continue if everyone came to their senses and became atheist (hint: look at China for this dream state). Let's not forget that Eugenics was a direct result of scientific, not religious, ideas.
Let's face it people, looking at history being inhuman is the natural state of humanity, and just because people manipulate religion (along with everything else) to justify their greed, bigotry, or racism doesn't make religion the villain. If anything, religion provides a check to some of these tendencies: without religion Hitler, Mao, etc. could still exist, but Mother Teresa could not.
If you're atheist fine, but don't go calling people who differ with your OPINION ignorant mislead retards because that's just announcing that you're an ignorant mislead retard, and puts you on the same level as that Muslim/Christian/Hindu who right now is calling you an ignorant mislead retard. Believe it or not, there is a way to rationally discuss sensitive issues like this without resorting to name calling and displays of your intellectual bigotry.
Thank you very much.


There's no way for YOU to rationally discuss them because you're not capable of rational thinking.
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
timmeh
Profile Joined September 2009
Austria177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 02:04:12
January 10 2010 02:02 GMT
#106
On January 10 2010 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The actions of Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were not resultant of their atheism, however many religions actively encourage violence. Atheism is not an ideology, it is a lack of religious belief and nothing further than that.


More profoundly, atheism is not just a lack of religious belief, it actually denies the existence of god actively. But I guess you may have meant that to begin with

Sorry to be knitpicking on this ;>

;o
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
January 10 2010 02:14 GMT
#107
On January 10 2010 10:46 daz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 10:27 Savant wrote:
On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.

I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.


LOL at the atheists and science-worshippers. Sure, if we eliminate all religion we can get rid of all that's wrong in the world. Oh wait, I forgot that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. were all devout worshippers of God who didn't massacre innocent members of religious minorities. And certainly the innumerable humanitarian programs fueled by religious belief would certainly continue if everyone came to their senses and became atheist (hint: look at China for this dream state). Let's not forget that Eugenics was a direct result of scientific, not religious, ideas.
Let's face it people, looking at history being inhuman is the natural state of humanity, and just because people manipulate religion (along with everything else) to justify their greed, bigotry, or racism doesn't make religion the villain. If anything, religion provides a check to some of these tendencies: without religion Hitler, Mao, etc. could still exist, but Mother Teresa could not.
If you're atheist fine, but don't go calling people who differ with your OPINION ignorant mislead retards because that's just announcing that you're an ignorant mislead retard, and puts you on the same level as that Muslim/Christian/Hindu who right now is calling you an ignorant mislead retard. Believe it or not, there is a way to rationally discuss sensitive issues like this without resorting to name calling and displays of your intellectual bigotry.
Thank you very much.


There's no way for YOU to rationally discuss them because you're not capable of rational thinking.


I'm an applied physics major at Cornell with a 3.8 GPA. I think I'm entitled to be considered at least a somewhat rational human being. And no, I'm not denying that religion can be bad as well as good. I'm just calling out the idiots who make religion the scapegoat for all that is wrong with the world. My personal opinion on the matter is that the people involved should be tried and punished as criminals. I also think there is something seriously wrong within the Muslim religion that would inspire so many of its adherents to religious violence.
tryTRY
Profile Joined November 2009
United States24 Posts
January 10 2010 02:17 GMT
#108
ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!
yule
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
January 10 2010 02:29 GMT
#109
On January 10 2010 11:02 timmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The actions of Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were not resultant of their atheism, however many religions actively encourage violence. Atheism is not an ideology, it is a lack of religious belief and nothing further than that.


More profoundly, atheism is not just a lack of religious belief, it actually denies the existence of god actively. But I guess you may have meant that to begin with

Sorry to be knitpicking on this ;>


There are many varieties of atheism. Weak atheism does not positively deny the existence of a deity. Also "nitpick" is the correct spelling. I cavil far too much for my own good.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
daz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada643 Posts
January 10 2010 02:38 GMT
#110
On January 10 2010 11:14 Savant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 10:46 daz wrote:
On January 10 2010 10:27 Savant wrote:
On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.

I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.


LOL at the atheists and science-worshippers. Sure, if we eliminate all religion we can get rid of all that's wrong in the world. Oh wait, I forgot that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. were all devout worshippers of God who didn't massacre innocent members of religious minorities. And certainly the innumerable humanitarian programs fueled by religious belief would certainly continue if everyone came to their senses and became atheist (hint: look at China for this dream state). Let's not forget that Eugenics was a direct result of scientific, not religious, ideas.
Let's face it people, looking at history being inhuman is the natural state of humanity, and just because people manipulate religion (along with everything else) to justify their greed, bigotry, or racism doesn't make religion the villain. If anything, religion provides a check to some of these tendencies: without religion Hitler, Mao, etc. could still exist, but Mother Teresa could not.
If you're atheist fine, but don't go calling people who differ with your OPINION ignorant mislead retards because that's just announcing that you're an ignorant mislead retard, and puts you on the same level as that Muslim/Christian/Hindu who right now is calling you an ignorant mislead retard. Believe it or not, there is a way to rationally discuss sensitive issues like this without resorting to name calling and displays of your intellectual bigotry.
Thank you very much.


There's no way for YOU to rationally discuss them because you're not capable of rational thinking.


I'm an applied physics major at Cornell with a 3.8 GPA. I think I'm entitled to be considered at least a somewhat rational human being. And no, I'm not denying that religion can be bad as well as good. I'm just calling out the idiots who make religion the scapegoat for all that is wrong with the world. My personal opinion on the matter is that the people involved should be tried and punished as criminals. I also think there is something seriously wrong within the Muslim religion that would inspire so many of its adherents to religious violence.


Oh ok, you go to school therefore you MUST be rational, and it's ok for you to marginalize the people you disagree with as idiots, its just not ok for them to do it because you disagree with them. I understand now. Thanks for clearing that up.
Some eat to remember, some smash to forget. 2009msl.com
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
January 10 2010 02:42 GMT
#111
On January 10 2010 10:27 Savant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 02:52 MannerMan wrote:
It is very sad that so many can be moved so strongly by religion.

I hope one day they can see the beautiful truths behind our existence instead of the lies and tyranny of those who oppress them with fear.


LOL at the atheists and science-worshippers. Sure, if we eliminate all religion we can get rid of all that's wrong in the world. Oh wait, I forgot that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. were all devout worshippers of God who didn't massacre innocent members of religious minorities.


Nothing those people did was in the name of atheism.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
timmeh
Profile Joined September 2009
Austria177 Posts
January 10 2010 02:57 GMT
#112
On January 10 2010 11:29 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 11:02 timmeh wrote:
On January 10 2010 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The actions of Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were not resultant of their atheism, however many religions actively encourage violence. Atheism is not an ideology, it is a lack of religious belief and nothing further than that.


More profoundly, atheism is not just a lack of religious belief, it actually denies the existence of god actively. But I guess you may have meant that to begin with

Sorry to be knitpicking on this ;>


There are many varieties of atheism. Weak atheism does not positively deny the existence of a deity. Also "nitpick" is the correct spelling. I cavil far too much for my own good.


It seems you are correct on both counts ^^ thought, nothing I feel particularly strong about :O
;o
Dracid
Profile Joined December 2009
United States280 Posts
January 10 2010 04:19 GMT
#113
This thread makes me sad.

So much misunderstanding, so little tolerance.
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
January 10 2010 04:28 GMT
#114
Well in the Malay language, the word for God is Allah. If we go through the English-Malay Dictionary it just says God. So what happened is the church's newspaper publication in Malay Language uses Allah to describe God. It has been that even before Malaysia was even formed. So now they trying to stop the publication from using the word Allah as they said it's only reserved for Muslims.

So they went to Federal Court and Court decide Allah can be continued to be used by the publication. So now the goverment trying to bring it to the Court of Appel or something. Then this attacks happen.
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
yrag89
Profile Joined July 2008
Malaysia315 Posts
January 10 2010 04:31 GMT
#115
On January 09 2010 12:50 Vedic wrote:
I can't understand why Christians would want to be able to refer to their god as Allah. They're basically saying "You just worship the word for god, but it really means our god." Anyone who doesn't see this as IRL trolling is blind.

Violence and bickering over the potential naming conventions of fantasy characters is hilarious.


In Malay Language, they call God, Allah.
secondly morrow is a korean pro who plays terran what the hell did you expect lol - charlie420247
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 10 2010 04:41 GMT
#116
LOL at the amount of trolling going on in htis thread.







...At least I hope that this stuff I'm reading is trolling...
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43737 Posts
January 10 2010 05:29 GMT
#117
On January 10 2010 10:27 Savant wrote:
but Mother Teresa could not

Because all human goodness is divinely inspired and humanity without a God is innately evil. If it hadn't been for God forcing her to be a good person she'd have gone round dealing drugs to street kids and killing people in drive bys.
Seriously?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
January 10 2010 05:37 GMT
#118
On January 10 2010 11:17 tryTRY wrote:
ALLAH AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!


lol

it's ALLAHU AKBAR
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
intrudor
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada446 Posts
January 10 2010 09:32 GMT
#119
Religion
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TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
January 10 2010 10:32 GMT
#120
There's so much hypocrisy in our modern societies, a lot of religion principles are unconstitutional/against the laws/immoral/whatever, but instead of asking them to fuck off with their Muhammed/Jesus, we force them to ignore the problematic passages of their respective holy books.

I wish the DNA of Richard Dawkins/Friedrich Nietzsche could be combined, and create a super-atheist who speech after speech would quote their holy scriptures and rip apart their stupid belief system.
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