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Why College Students Have Trouble Growing Up

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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
December 02 2009 19:11 GMT
#1
http://www.coloradocollege.edu/Publications/access/december1996/7GrowUp.html

A philosophy professor gives his views on the expectations of college students and the obstacles they face. Interesting read.

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Why College Students Have Trouble Growing Up

By JOHN RIKER
Philosophy Professor

Having talked in depth with CC students about their college experiences and read about student life at other colleges and universities, I find that institutions of higher education usually provide excellent environments for cognitive development, yet have trouble providing students with an adequate environment for social, moral or psychological growth. The result is that many students, feeling that they do not have the maturity of self or depth of personal skills to confront the difficult problems of adulthood, show a reluctance to enter the world beyond college. They are afraid of marriage and other adult forms of intimacy, and tremble at having to enter professional life. They invent wonderful stories for themselves and their parents about needing time off or wanting to travel after college, but often behind these marvelous plans lies a terrible fear: that they simply are not ready for the adult world. They are not ready because something did not happen during the college years that should have -- they did not grow up.

Ever since the 1970s when colleges relinquished the notion that they should act like parents (the doctrine of in loco parentis), they have let students construct their own social and personal lives with few restrictions and little guidance. Students, of course, welcomed this change -- even demanded it as part of the social revolution of the '60s -- for it meant that there were no adults around who might challenge their values and behavior. Students were happy not to be treated as children and faculty, now in an intensely competitive job market that favored publication over teaching and advising, decided that their time would be much better spent researching and writing than being with students.

The freedom granted students, however, has had its cost in patterns of arrested psychological, social and moral development. When Alexander Astin, the most important researcher of college life in America, decided to study how college life affects personality and self-concept, he was shocked to find that the most significant shift during the college years was a significant increase in the number of students experiencing a diminished sense of psychological well-being. He found that students tended to feel more depressed as seniors than they were as first-year students. They also felt "overwhelmed," or without the strength of self to deal with life's problems. The growth of self, he found, has not kept pace in college with the increasing complexity of life that college students experience.

There are numerous interrelated factors hindering the maturational process during the college years, including the age isolation college students face. When a typical high school graduate goes to college, the student rarely has personal (rather than professional) contact with anyone older or younger. There are typically no children or young adolescents on campuses who can help remind one of what the earlier stages of life were like. There is also an increasing absence of adults on campus. Dorms tend to be run either by peers or young adults. Professors are becoming less available to students in general and almost completely unavailable for non-academic guidance and role-modeling. Hence, college students often find themselves in a developmental vacuum with no children to remind them of what they have been and no adults to act as models for what they might become. The absence of adults is especially detrimental for, as Harvard psychiatrist George Vaillant has persuasively shown, the most significant vehicle for post-childhood development is a mentoring relationship between a young person and an admired adult.

Age isolation also tends to reinforce the powerful hold of youth culture on college students. This culture rejects the traditional view that sees youth as a transitional stage between childhood and adulthood, claiming instead that youth should be sustained for as long as possible and adulthood should be avoided like the plague. For all of its exhilaration and excitement, however, youth culture can only produce a repetition of adolescent forms of thought and action with no impetus toward development into mature forms of personal and social life.

Personal development occurs most dramatically in social interactions. It is in these interactions that students develop skills to relate to others, learn to deal with rejection and satisfy their needs to be known and loved for who they are. If the college social scene is dominated by alcohol and drugs, intoxication makes it exceedingly difficult to develop social skills, heighten responsiveness or deepen relationships. If every party centers on alcohol, students cannot confront new social problems to solve, find new ways of interacting with others or develop new possibilities for the deeper realization of the basic needs for recognition, empathy and friendship.

Another part of social life where growth can take place is in campus discussions about vital issues. If these discussions teach students to tolerate differences of opinion, listen carefully to all sides of a complex issue and feel the intense emotions of the participants without becoming overwhelmed before reaching a reasoned, thoughtful conclusion, maturity can and will develop. Unfortunately, the rise of political correctness has led to the near extinction of campus discourse about important issues. Rather than open, many-sided discussions, discourse situations now involve students advocating politically correct positions and demanding allegiance to them. Students who disagree do not merely hold different opinions, they are viewed as personally attacking the speaker, breaking solidarity or revealing prejudice against a group. Students who voice dissent risk the possibility of being labeled a racist, sexist or simply naive. In the face of such threats, most remain silent or avoid such discussions altogether. But advocating, showing allegiance or being silent makes little difference to the process of development for, in all cases, complexity is not encountered and growth does not take place.

The college environment also makes individuation difficult by making intimacy difficult. Intimacy -- a love relation in which two persons accept and affirm one another for who they are and not for the roles they are playing or facades they are masquerading -- is probably the greatest possible aid to personal development during the college years. It is hard to recognize self worth unless that worth is recognized by others.

With intimacy, childish narcissistic tendencies must be curbed in order to fully take into account and appreciate another person. A young person will rarely endure this kind of vulnerability without being in a strongly committed relationship. Such commitments are frustrated by the college environment, mainly because the college years are short and students either transfer, drop out or do not know what they want to do after college or where they want to do it. With this kind of uncertainty about the future, how can a student make a commitment to sustain a love relationship?

For many, going to college means preparing for a career in one of the key professions. Anything that is likely to compromise that goal must be held at arm's length. Love is the greatest obstacle to such single-mindedness and that which is most likely to deviate students from their professional pursuits. Joe is accepted into the law program at Berkeley; Susan wishes to pursue a Ph.D. in physics at MIT. They cannot allow themselves to fall too much in love or the dream of one will have to give way to the dream of the other.

These psychological problems, the loss of traditional support systems college students leave at home and the frequent loss of a narrative direction during the college years make it difficult for graduates at commencement to feel as though they have the strength and vitality of self to face the most complex and difficult form of adult life ever invented. While I believe CC does much better with these problems than most schools, it could still do more, especially with its anemic system of advising.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 19:19:28
December 02 2009 19:17 GMT
#2
Personal development occurs most dramatically in social interactions. It is in these interactions that students develop skills to relate to others, learn to deal with rejection and satisfy their needs to be known and loved for who they are. If the college social scene is dominated by alcohol and drugs, intoxication makes it exceedingly difficult to develop social skills, heighten responsiveness or deepen relationships. If every party centers on alcohol, students cannot confront new social problems to solve, find new ways of interacting with others or develop new possibilities for the deeper realization of the basic needs for recognition, empathy and friendship.


wait what? Most people who do drugs and drink at parties are pretty social and have lots of acquaintances and friends all over the place. Just think of this, if you are out of smokes and money and addicted, it forces you to go out and talk to people. Often times you make friends this way alone, this is one of the only pros to smoking cigarettes.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
December 02 2009 19:20 GMT
#3
thats funny was thinking about how campuses are not a good idea, since you are basically away from civilazation on a daily basis, no interaction with the "real world" during those crucial years.
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
December 02 2009 19:21 GMT
#4
Interesting read. The point about being separated from young kids and adults is something I never thought about.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
December 02 2009 19:22 GMT
#5
The writer is correct that there are costs to age-segregation, and that mentoring is a very good vehicle for maturation.

The rest is shit.
My strategy is to fork people.
LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
December 02 2009 19:26 GMT
#6
this was written... 13 yaers ago?
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
December 02 2009 19:30 GMT
#7
Excellent article. I agree that the lack of role models and informal mentoring relationships is a big deal. The age segregation bit applies to all levels of school but it doesn't stop being true for college either.

It seems to me that there are a lot of aspects of "adult culture" that contribute to the difficulty of the transition to post-college life, but that's probably outside the scope of this essay. Everything he brings up are legitimate issues that deserve some thought.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 02 2009 19:33 GMT
#8
Don't a lot of college kids have shitty part time jobs anyways? Doesn't this cover all of that shit?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7233 Posts
December 02 2009 19:37 GMT
#9
i will agree about trembling to enter the real world.

Im a Mechanical Engineering major.

I have a year left and I feel like ive learned nothing to prepare me for any type of job after college.
I havent taken an internship yet but even that from what im told by most friends who have isnt much of a learning experience. The economy is tanking and Mechanical Engineering seems like a pretty brutal business at the moment. There are few jobs and loads of assholes out there. I dont have a skill I guess thats my biggest problem with college. Some would say go to a trade school or something.....but youd think id at least have some sort of skill or picture of what im going after school is over with but I dont and I dont think most people do in my major. They may lie and pretend but talking to them and asking questions they dont know their shit either.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 02 2009 19:43 GMT
#10
On December 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Don't a lot of college kids have shitty part time jobs anyways? Doesn't this cover all of that shit?


A lot of college kids don't have jobs at all.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 19:46:19
December 02 2009 19:45 GMT
#11
On December 03 2009 04:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Don't a lot of college kids have shitty part time jobs anyways? Doesn't this cover all of that shit?


A lot of college kids don't have jobs at all.

so, what? You just live off parents money and/or student loans?
Then there's the problem right there. Students are babied.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 02 2009 20:05 GMT
#12
I always thought it was a good thing to travel after college. It allows you to see more of the world and get a balanced view of things. Going straight into the workplace is asking for a mid-life crisis, once you realize you haven't really experienced anything.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 20:14:08
December 02 2009 20:12 GMT
#13
On December 03 2009 05:05 meeple wrote:
I always thought it was a good thing to travel after college. It allows you to see more of the world and get a balanced view of things. Going straight into the workplace is asking for a mid-life crisis, once you realize you haven't really experienced anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter-life_crisis
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 02 2009 20:16 GMT
#14
On December 03 2009 04:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 04:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On December 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Don't a lot of college kids have shitty part time jobs anyways? Doesn't this cover all of that shit?


A lot of college kids don't have jobs at all.

so, what? You just live off parents money and/or student loans?
Then there's the problem right there. Students are babied.


Whats wrong with getting money from your dad ?

Im sick and tired of this BS way of see life where if you havent fought for everything you have, you are incapable of appreaciating it.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 20:16:55
December 02 2009 20:16 GMT
#15
On December 03 2009 04:26 LeoTheLion wrote:
this was written... 13 yaers ago?


Yet it is still relevant today, possibly even more so.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 02 2009 20:20 GMT
#16
Hooray for UW's co-op program.

Sucks that I'm not in it.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
December 02 2009 20:20 GMT
#17
the things he says have merit and i'm sure most of us have experienced one or all of them. but he offers no solutions. what could possibly be done to address any of this? how are you going to teach that strict adherence to political correctness is stupid, that people shouldn't rely on alcohol so heavily, etc etc? these are things that... i don't know, just seems that there is no proper way to address this.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-02 20:23:16
December 02 2009 20:21 GMT
#18
On December 03 2009 05:16 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 04:45 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On December 03 2009 04:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On December 03 2009 04:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Don't a lot of college kids have shitty part time jobs anyways? Doesn't this cover all of that shit?


A lot of college kids don't have jobs at all.

so, what? You just live off parents money and/or student loans?
Then there's the problem right there. Students are babied.


Whats wrong with getting money from your dad ?

Im sick and tired of this BS way of see life where if you havent fought for everything you have, you are incapable of appreaciating it.

There are exceptions, but reports like this show that this isn't just a stereotype right?

I'm assuming that you are one of these people (since you seem pretty defensive about it), Why don't you try getting a part time job even if you don't 'need' it. Think of it like an experiment and/or part of your college study to gain life experience.


If they never pushed the birdies out of the nest how would they learn to fly?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 02 2009 20:21 GMT
#19
On December 03 2009 05:12 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 05:05 meeple wrote:
I always thought it was a good thing to travel after college. It allows you to see more of the world and get a balanced view of things. Going straight into the workplace is asking for a mid-life crisis, once you realize you haven't really experienced anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter-life_crisis



Characteristics of quarter-life crisis may include[citation needed]:

Realizing the pursuits of ones peers are useless
Confronting their own mortality
Watching time slowly take its toll on their parents, only to realize they are next
insecurity regarding the fact that their actions are meaningless
insecurity concerning ability to love themselves, let alone another person
insecurity regarding present accomplishments
re-evaluation of close interpersonal relationships
lack of friendships or romantic relationships, sexual frustration, and involuntary celibacy
disappointment with one's job
nostalgia for university, college, high school or elementary school life
tendency to hold stronger opinions
boredom with social interactions
loss of closeness to high school and college friends
financially-rooted stress (overwhelming college loans, unanticipatedly high cost of living, etc.)
loneliness, depression and suicide
desire to have children
a sense that everyone is, somehow, doing better than you
frustration with social ills


I'm not sure that's what I was really talking about there
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 02 2009 20:22 GMT
#20
you need to create things that will give students incentive not to fuck themselves up, like a starcraft tournament! lol
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
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