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Foolishness
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On October 22 2009 03:52 L wrote: Haven't had enough time to run through all I want to, but we're really going to need something a bit more interesting than this DT plan business to get people active. So lets talk about who we're going to kill. I'm going to announce my candidacy and say that the DT plan is a fine idea. I'm also going to say that for my first lynch, I would kill tricode. Why? Simply put he's bad at this game. If he's town, he's throwing down pretty garbage posts thusfar and has a pretty terrible mayoral platform. If he's mafia he's subscribed to the foolishness/scamp "play the unassuming bro" early on to avoid attention. that said, he's probably just bad at playing town. Next: DT plan lynch. I say we talk about it during the night after we have a death and a day's worth of people to look at. I'm pretty sure the real reason you want to kill Tricode is because Tricode wants you dead (this is of course assuming Tricode stands by his platform of killing all the veterans). Shame on Tricode! He actually has a legit plan to kill mafia members (albeit probably at a price of a few townspeople) but heaven forbid someone "bad" at this game actually comes up with something smart. | ||
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On October 22 2009 04:15 Tricode wrote: BTW Foolishness. My platform is to kill the smart veterans. ;p L's stupid comment helps him get off my list. If it's not too much trouble I would like a list (as I'm sure many others do). | ||
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On October 22 2009 04:28 Ace wrote: Foolishness can't recognize humor and really thought it was "a plan". #1 lynch suspect = Foolishness. Seriously only mafia could possibly go for a plan that stupid hahahahahahahaha. What we are overlooking is the fact that killing off all the veterans guarentees us at least 1 (possibly more) mafia kills (and yes I'm aware that townspeople will probably die as well). As this is a mafia game set up by Ver and Qatol, one of the veterans is guarenteed to be mafia. Ace you have been around long enough to know this is true, but let me make it clear to anyone who might be unfamiliar with this concept: What you do is go talk to Ver or Qatol (by any means necessary, PM, IM, whatever). Then you subtly suggest the idea "hey why don't we have a mafia game where none of the vets are mafia!". Their responses will look something like this: "WAAA NO NO WAAA QQ CANT DO THAT WAAA PEOPLE SUCK PEOPLE SUCK ONLY VETERANS ARE GOOD WAAA WAA MY DICK IS SMALL WAAA PEOPLE SUCK TOO MUCH MAFIA IMBA IMBA QQ" Basically they complain more than dota pubbers and Terrell Owens combined. Honestly that was probably one of the biggest mistakes of my life as I proceeded to gauge my eyes out after reading through their huge walls of qq text. With very little to go on in the absence of clues killing a veteran will statistically give the highest chance of getting a mafia. Ace I'm sure even you can agree that you have a much higher chance of being mafia than Tricode or I. | ||
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On October 22 2009 06:12 HeavOnEarth wrote: because townie veterans won't help the town at all right? Not at all, I'm just saying statistically, since we hardly have anything else to go by, we should kill a veteran as we'll have the best chance of killing a mafia. If I was mafia, do I have anything to gain by using this plan? I'd be potentially killing a fellow mafia member (a fellow good mafia member) and potentially probably killing the godfather (since all mafia's choose the best player to be godfather). | ||
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On October 22 2009 06:32 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: EBWOP: What I meant there was you seem to be so sure that veterans are on mafia that you want to kill any vets, without any reasoning really other than "Mods tend to set up with vets". That's a pretty weak reasoning if you ask me. You're basically trying to out-guess the mods of the game, which is generally a dumb thing to do. Go ask Ver or Qatol about the idea of having no veterans on a mafia team. They will flame you. I'm not out-guessing the mods. With nothing else to go by statistically it'll give us the best chance of killing a mafia member (instead of lynching an inactive which almost never works). I'm totally on board for the DT plans of choosing who we lynch ahead of time so DT's can nearly-figure out their alignment by role-checking that person. | ||
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On October 22 2009 06:47 Amber[LighT] wrote: Knowing the people that play/set up these games after playing about 7 mafia games they probably randomly assigned roles. It's a terrible idea to assume all the vets get the mafia roles. More than typically there is a pretty even split, and more or less the veterans get the townie-aligned roles. How do you gauge who's a "veteran" anyway? No. And I never said all the vets get the mafia roles I said one of them is guarenteed to be mafia. In the smurf game, the only "vet" on the mafia was BC. Ver and Qatol were absolutely furious when they found out about this after the game was over. This isn't real life mafia where roles are randomly assigned. Ver and Qatol would rather die than host a mafia game with randomly assigned roles. As previously stated, if we were able to kill the mafia veteran the whole mafia team would probably fall apart without that vet. I am not saying we should spend the next 3 days killing off all the vets, I am just saying we should do it now until the other DT plans are able to kick in. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:11 dreamflower wrote: In addition, I'm a little surprised at why people are so contemptuous of Tricode's posts. I admit I've been reading fairly quickly, but I don't see what's so much worse about his posts than, say, Bloodycobbler's or L's. "bad" players will always be "bad" | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote: also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness whenever they were green. edit: took out one word ("in") to let the sentence actually make sense. I don't know why there is a seeming consensus to lynch Tricode here. He's clearly not mafia, and probably some important role. Does it make sense that the mafia got on an irc channel and said, "alright here's the plan, Tricode is going to go in there and get elected and draw lots of attention to himself"? Hell no it doesn't. The one thing I learned from being mafia is that hardly anyone does anything as mafia. The mafia strategy is always just sit back and hope things work out. There have been seldom games where the mafia actually were involved in the town affairs. | ||
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On October 22 2009 09:39 Incognito wrote: Wanna take a guess at what our % chance for a red lynch is if we DONT hit a vet? Tada! Its also 20%! The point of the matter, as had been previously said, is that mafia without their vet leader equals gg mafia. The town without their leader doesn't mean anything. There have been games where some non vet took control of the town (heck even I did it). The mafia needs the vet players not the town. I find it odd that Pyrry has not been around at all this game. Usually he's good at helping the town, but I guess without clues he's about as useless as Aquaman. | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:59 Tricode wrote: Look, it's a bad idea, cause it is hard to judge who is bad. Yeah there are people who can screw up, and misinterpret things. But does that make them bad? How do you clarify a bad player? My definition would be : A person who never tries. Goofs off no matter what happens. Doesn't really play, and is normally inactive for many games.' If you agree with my definition, can you honestly say I fit any of those descriptions to the 'T'. Also how many people would agree with you if you do believe i fit those descriptions? This is a waste of time. I can clarify this for you. If Ace/L/Ver/Qatol/*insert other vet here* says they are bad, then they are bad. End of story. There's also little chance of redemption once you fall in. | ||
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On October 22 2009 11:59 Incognito wrote: even if he has an important role he always plays like this. Can't really make any assumptions here. On the bright side, if he were blue, DTs would know blues when they find them, although not which blue it is (unless they're sane/whatever the other one is). Also I think we can safely assume that greens > blues so there would be a higher chance of DTs getting their other colored RC. If they don't get another color, at least they find a blue. Win win. Takes way too long to pinpoint your prized mafia vet. By that time, mafia's all up and organized and most if not all of your good town players are dead. I doubt a mafia is going to act completely irrationally even after the leader set their game plan up. Look at Ver in BCs (first game?) where he died day 1 (2?) but destroyed the town's blues. The game is about finding reds, not finding a single red. Because in the mean time you disregard all other reds in search for your red vet. Bad. That's fine and all and I'm not saying my plan is perfect. But honestly what else are we going to do now? As L said, nearly all the mayor candidates are mia and all we got now is a plan so DT's can figure out their situation. Tricode is obviously not red and wanting to lynch him based off of his not contributing attitude or whatever is hardly a justification at all. At the very least you could pick an inactive to lynch. | ||
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On October 23 2009 07:12 Ace wrote: Me personally, I don't even think your that bad. Hell, I don't even remember most of the people I say that suck because it's been so long I can't remember the reasons why (except Vivi57 because he's a special kind of character). Just be comfortable in the fact that there's no way you'd be killed at this point. You forgot me!!!! I am very curious why people are voting for Pyrry when Pyrry has been mostly absent and has hardly said anything of importance (he's just repeating stuff already said). Both Ace and L actually have some sort of platform and a plan for the coming days; it would make more sense for one of them to be elected. | ||
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On October 23 2009 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: my good sir jester, it is not in my personality to pester, but a vote for L or ace, would keep the town from gaining pace. With a circle of power in the form of a crown, they would make us all dress like a clown. For in power they like to possess, but without the ability to listen i will continue to digress. For without a listening ear, we might as all sit back and drink a beer, for the mafia would be able to achieve victory, and leaving this poor town in a smell of rotting history Both Ace and L have given reason that they want the town to win. Pyrry comes in and makes a few posts, all of which only repeat things already said, and you think he should be elected? He hardly has a campaign at all, and he's never here. I don't want our mayor going awol on us throughout the game. Not to mention he's going to kill motbob which is lol. Tricode is the only person we can be sure of is not the mafia, that's why I am voting for him. | ||
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On October 23 2009 07:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: true that is my good sir, but have you thought about how that may stir He is in a position of potential power, and if we treat him well he may become a blooming flower, for you see, a person who listens to the mass, might learn to pardon those needed from the whispers of grass, so realize that the power is fair, all we need to do is take great care Wow I totally was not expecting you to reply as fast as you did, that's pretty impressive. So basically you want Pyrry in power so you can manipulate him from behind the scenes to your liking. If Pyrry cannot formulate his own opinions then he's trying to hide away instead of drawing attention to himself (which is a good indication he's probably mafia). Also consider, knowing L and Ace, even if Pyrry was elected, L and Ace are still going to be the town leader and taking control of the situation. Especially considering they have plans and ideas, while Pyrry is unable to think for himself. If you are trying to stop L/Ace because you are suspicious of one of them this isn't going to help. If you are worried L and Ace are going to start another war, this isn't going to help either. I am also curious why Pyrry and you have become such good friends already; we haven't even finished elections and you are defending him to your last rhythmic breath. Caller seems to think Pyrry is mafia, which probably means he thinks you are mafia as well. Not that Caller is doing anything yet, but you seem to be making enemies as fast as I usually do. | ||
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On October 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: my dear good sir, you miscontrued my words in a blur, it was not the man bird I referenced, but the man of electronic difference. A friendship with all is what i ask for, but what else may I do as one so poor. With a simple prose my words do suppose, but the nature of their meaning may not be clear, just make sure we dont let the ones blind in charge to steer, so shall I say grace, or do we just outright end the race. As for the men of L and Ace, neither of them seems right to lead this chase, one does not wish to be in charge, while the other always finds himself a man at large, tis better for the young of heart to take the head, or we might falter instead. I can understand your point of view and where you are coming from. Yet I can argue Pyrry does not seem right to lead this town nor does he seemingly want to either. Why isn't he trying to help the town? Why isn't he coming up with plans other than "lets do what this person said earlier"? Most of all, where the heck is he? He's hardly posted at all, doesn't seem to me that he cares all that much about the town. If your plan is to just manipulate him from behind the scenes than I got no qualms against that as that's what I'd be doing in your shoes. Unfortunately if you are everyone's going to know about it. | ||
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