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I have found an excellent way to train for sc. If any of you people out there are hackers, you will quickly catch on to what I'm proposing.
Use a tool like "cheatengine v 4+" or "speed gear" you can find these through google and each of these programs have a method for decreasing time increments for a targeted application.
In other words, you can make a game, say Starcraft, run at 2x, 3x, or 10x+ normal speed.
This is basically an alternative to the method BlueIris brought up for increasing your apm, only it is better  (no offense).
It is better because instead of spamming to keep your apm artificially high, (you dont' even need to worry about your apm really) you just need to play to "keep up."
If you can "keep up" with a computer at 2x fastest speed, you can easily keep up with all but the most harrass-heavy pros. With mechanics that blazing fast, you can really focus entirely on your BOs and game sense.
To give an analogy of how effective this is, try playing on fastest for 5-10 games. Now play on normal speed. See how exquisite your unit control is?
The idea, of course, is not identical because you will likely be approaching an upper limit of reflex/processing capability for the person, but the mental "slowdown" effect of this method will be similar.
Anyway, since this is hacking, I completely understand if kennigit/plexa/whoever is on closes this thread before anybody sees it, but I don't think this is particularly unfair. Like with steroids, which are totally fair, you're only cheating when you're training--during a real game you're following the rules just like everybody else! :D
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Doesn't sound like cheating to me. It kind of sounds like Gosu's training ball with the 100x gravity... DBZ reference [2 pts]. Have you actually tried it yet? Cause I think I'm gonna get on that. Play some 1v1's on 5x with my bro.
Edit: Goku...
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This does not help you... At 2x game speed, the game is sufficiently faster, that you end up making compromises in the things you decide to do. Furthermore, your sense of timing gets screwed up.
The best way to improve is and always has been to mass game against players slightly better than you (aka in a typical bo5 you lose 1-3 or 2-3). And by mass game I don't mean any of this sissy shit of chatting in channel for 3 hours and playing maybe 10 games in a day, but like seriously playing 500 games on ICCup in one season kind of mass gaming.
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On September 02 2009 11:15 Mortality wrote:
This does not help you...
You tried it?
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500 games in one season? I've played over 2k this season. I've tried many ways, and I'm just offering one. Anyhow, the same principle applies to running or swimming or any sport where speed matters. You run with weights, you swim with a drag suit. Does it mess up your technique a little? Screw up your stroke/stride timing? Of course it does, but you've gained the strength and agility to make up for it. Usually toward the end of the season, people "taper off" and focus less on building more strength and more on technique. In the same way, a typical routine using this method may involve 10 games at 2x speed, and then 2 games at normal speed to reinforce timings.
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Cheating is never a good way to to train.
Mass games and practice
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On September 02 2009 11:32 arb wrote:
Cheating is never a good way to to train.
Mass games and practice
I concur. Cheating to practice is still wrong
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On September 02 2009 11:35 SanguineToss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 11:32 arb wrote:
Cheating is never a good way to to train.
Mass games and practice I concur. Cheating to practice is still wrong
Again, I think this is wrong in the way that using weights in athletics is wrong.
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On September 02 2009 11:15 DivGradCurl wrote:
Doesn't sound like cheating to me. It kind of sounds like Gosu's training ball with the 100x gravity... DBZ reference [2 pts]. Have you actually tried it yet? Cause I think I'm gonna get on that. Play some 1v1's on 5x with my bro.
Brilliant analogy
I had a similar idea after all the hacking drama; play with your opponent giving you shared vision. As a low-level player, there are tons of times I attack when I shouldn't and turtle when I should attack all because I don't know what my opponent has. I think it would be a good way to get a feeling for timing windows and the flow of your opponent's game relative to yours. I realise you could sorta do this just by watching replays, but I'd also argue that being able to see moments of vulnerability in hindsight isnt quite the same as recognizing these moments when actually in the game. One disadvantage I could see though is you might focus too much on your opponent's base and forget about your own.
Also, I think OPs idea is interesting although I feel like anything over 2x might be a little too fast to handle.
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This obviously is not cheating in any normal sense of the word. I agree that practicing on 2x would be useless; I tried this and couldn't even select a moving unit, it's so fast. I think it could be useful to practice on something slightly faster than fastest, like 1.1x fastest or 1.2x fastest, just to give it a little more edge.
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you're cheating against yourself, its an self imposed handicap...how is it so wrong?
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2x is completely doable, btw. If you'd like to try it, set for 2x on fastest. You will find yourself struggling for maybe 2 or 3 minutes before you get the hang of it (simply by stopping your spamming habits!!!). Beyond 2x, I've still been unable to beat the computer, though I haven't really given it an honest try yet. I'm still trying to do 200/200 pushes on destination, without contain or units at choke (so I get used to the micro element as well) at 2x speed.
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On September 02 2009 11:15 DivGradCurl wrote:
Doesn't sound like cheating to me. It kind of sounds like Gosu's training ball with the 100x gravity... DBZ reference [2 pts]. Have you actually tried it yet? Cause I think I'm gonna get on that. Play some 1v1's on 5x with my bro.
You said Gosu and not goku
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Maybe you should remove the "Keep up with the most harass heavy pros" part. since well do you know how much harass a computer does? none
also i dont see how this would be any different from playing Fastest forever then going to Faster. Personally i could see this making you thinkt he game is too slow and not wanting to play anymore also.
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Interesting point about the harrass. The computer doesn't harrass. This is very different from playing fastest forever because all that is is basically "operation cwal." This increases movement speed, mining speed, fire rate, everything.
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On September 02 2009 12:01 wok wrote:
Interesting point about the harrass. The computer doesn't harrass. This is very different from playing fastest forever because all that is is basically "operation cwal." This increases movement speed, mining speed, fire rate, everything.
No im talking of overall game speed. I.E Fastest(SPEED) into Faster(SPEED) i.e the actual game slows down which for everyone i know it is hard for them to play after playing at a higher speed which would be one of my concerns(besides the hacking of course) but with sc2 coming out in the end this doesnt even matter
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But with sc2 nothing really matters. We should just kill ourselves.
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It's an interesting concept to improve your multitasking. Probably works better if you do it with a friend
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It is not cheating because it only applies to single, or mutually arranged games.
It's going to improve your speed in pure form. How it relates to better micro, macro is another study. It doesn not improve your timing much nor game sense. It is most likely going to be of help for really new players. At high levels, sc is a game of compromises, what to best utlise given a given constraint. Here you relax your speed constraint but no necessarily improves how you can utilise your now available bandwidth. That is, whilst you might be more comfortable doing more, it does not guarantee more is better because sometimes, it's your decision to do A rather than B that's going to provide the most benefits.
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Why the F would you use the word cheating in the OP. Changing the game to play against the computer is not cheating, it is modding.
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