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Can a mod please change the title of the thread? 
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On September 02 2009 13:58 ella_guru wrote:
I think this is incredibly valid.
I'm a music major on the classical guitar and this is _the_ most common way to increase the speed of the fingers. The metronome method - Learn something perfect, flawless at a very slow speed, taking care of every detail. Then, go up two notches on the metronome, then down one, then up two, etc. If you dont rush this method, you can gain massive speed increases, sometimes double or more when the music requires it. Great musicians can play anything they normally play much faster. Your just increasing your limit, so you have even more breathing room. If you can have less large jumps in speed, I would totally do this.
Practice doesnt make perfect. Perfect Practice makes perfect.
This.
Played classical music on the double bass for a good number of years. The way to get something down solid is to practice it, then speed it up past the speed you're supposed to play it at, so that at the "correct" speed, it's extremely easy.
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People will think of any excuse to think that playing against the computer actually means you're getting better. You're not.
Play people, scout, always keep macro on, always expand... if you want to get better vs people.
Don't pretend playing a a computer is somehow training. It's not.
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i always thought 2x would be a viable game speed to have on battle.net. Nice work 
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This might work for practicing your macro (hotkeying hatcheries then mass producing drones, making M+M while making SCVs, etc.), but I wouldnt play a full game on increased speed, because as others have already mentionned it, timing is extremely important and this could deteriorate your timing skill. Even for muta micro, getting the feel of the muta cooldown is so important, changing the speed wouldnt help either.
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As to all who said "cheating is wrong, so this is wrong", please, put a little more thought into it.
Has anyone ever typed "show me the money" and "operation cwal" in a custom game just to practice a build order, practice wall-in, or to check out anything basically? I'm sure everyone did, yet it is cheating.
Has anyone ever used a third party program to get APM Live, the timer on screen, instant replay saves, things like that? I don't see how setting the game speed to 2x fastest in single player is much different.
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On September 02 2009 16:41 cUrsOr wrote:
People will think of any excuse to think that playing against the computer actually means you're getting better. You're not.
Play people, scout, always keep macro on, always expand... if you want to get better vs people.
Don't pretend playing a a computer is somehow training. It's not.
lol ask NONY. Playing vs computer is quite effective to train buildorders, apm, timings
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On September 02 2009 17:43 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 16:41 cUrsOr wrote:
People will think of any excuse to think that playing against the computer actually means you're getting better. You're not.
Play people, scout, always keep macro on, always expand... if you want to get better vs people.
Don't pretend playing a a computer is somehow training. It's not. lol ask NONY. Playing vs computer is quite effective to train buildorders, apm, timings
I play the computer all the time to scout. I try to keep my build order up to like 50 or 60 PSI without losing my probe, around the base.
Never letting my minerals get about what I need to build, and keeping my ramps blocked etc. So you never want minerals over like 200 usually or 400 only if youre saving for the nexus.
The trick is to play like you weren't playing the computer. Use hotkeys to flash around to units and buildings, always babysit your base while scouting every 4 seconds etc. I was really just making an argument becasue I think that my consistant use of the computer to train is why I suck. Though, I do still improve and get better, just still within the range of suck.
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Actually, playing in slower speeds will be helping your micro improve, which is to me much more important than apm, which comes with time anyway.
edit: I'm sorry if this was mentioned already, I didn't go through the 2,5 pages of the thread before replying.
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On September 02 2009 16:07 VorcePA wrote:Can a mod please change the title of the thread? And: Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 13:58 ella_guru wrote:
I think this is incredibly valid.
I'm a music major on the classical guitar and this is _the_ most common way to increase the speed of the fingers. The metronome method - Learn something perfect, flawless at a very slow speed, taking care of every detail. Then, go up two notches on the metronome, then down one, then up two, etc. If you dont rush this method, you can gain massive speed increases, sometimes double or more when the music requires it. Great musicians can play anything they normally play much faster. Your just increasing your limit, so you have even more breathing room. If you can have less large jumps in speed, I would totally do this.
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect Practice makes perfect. This. Played classical music on the double bass for a good number of years. The way to get something down solid is to practice it, then speed it up past the speed you're supposed to play it at, so that at the "correct" speed, it's extremely easy.
The music analogy is a bad one, because you are essentially training muscle memory. A song does not change. A Starcraft match does.
This is not at all applicable to RTS games unless you are talking about someone who has never handled a mouse and keyboard in an RTS environment, perhaps someone who doesn't even have a handle on their hotkeys.
This won't help your game sense and multi-task rhythm much at all. Muscle memory in gaming is the first thing you understand when you start to play at a high level. It doesn't take someone long to be able to play a game without looking at their keyboard.
You can compare this to using a donut in the on deck circle. The bat isn't actually lighter and you don't actually swing it much faster (though you CAN increase bat speed with more repetition based donut use, but it is essentially a work out at that point) Its called deceleration training. Just like it can magically feel like you have much more control of the bat, and you might. It also throws off your natural rhythm (game timing/sense) and weight distribution. (which in this analogy could be compared to your multi-tasking rhythm... IE, where you spend your new found extra clicks.)
My hypothesis is that this won't do shit, and isn't some kind of hyperbolic time chamber. It is my opinion that in an RTS; mimicking the proper conditions is more important.
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Anyone know if you actually install Cheat Engine and use it on SC just to speed up in single player will have any effect on Iccup antihack, when the CE is off. I mean you still you install it and use it to modify the SC's memory...
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I don't think that increasing the speed of the game will increase you're apm, Why should it? Just because its played in a faster level it doesn't have to make you're "mind" faster.
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Oh god, for chris sake plz try it before giving any theories, because you all sound like you know everything... I'm getting sick of ppl saying that it will not improve XXX way or whatnot.
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I tried playing this yesterday and my apm actually went down from my usual ~170 to around 120. Then again i forgot to hotkey shit for most of the game  Planting mines with vultures makes me float so high in mins
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On September 02 2009 15:32 MoOnrai11 wrote:
Takes alot of emotional intellegence not to continue to cheat. So I wouldn't advise it for most.
So although in most of the games I play against the computer I like to Black Sheep Wall, that means it takes huge determination not to maphack against people? Haha.
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On September 02 2009 20:12 Sadistx wrote:I tried playing this yesterday and my apm actually went down from my usual ~170 to around 120. Then again i forgot to hotkey shit for most of the game Planting mines with vultures makes me float so high in mins
That means a lot of apm on hotkeys! ;P Almost like EAPM :p
Btw, as for those talking about mod memory, as far as I understand the program does not wok at sc memory level or app level, it alters the internal clock of the application against cpu cycle or somewhere along those lines. When I used it back in like '99, the 'speed gear' was simply a sliding bar that you can decrease/increase computer's clock vs real time, and it works at OS level, no option to be applicaiotn specific. I don't know how much the program has been updated since then.
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On September 02 2009 13:58 ella_guru wrote:
I think this is incredibly valid.
I'm a music major on the classical guitar and this is _the_ most common way to increase the speed of the fingers. The metronome method - Learn something perfect, flawless at a very slow speed, taking care of every detail. Then, go up two notches on the metronome, then down one, then up two, etc. If you dont rush this method, you can gain massive speed increases, sometimes double or more when the music requires it. Great musicians can play anything they normally play much faster. Your just increasing your limit, so you have even more breathing room. If you can have less large jumps in speed, I would totally do this.
Practice doesnt make perfect. Perfect Practice makes perfect.
Edit : ^^ it seemed I was typing my response as you were. Cool that it made us chime up the same idea!
Actually, there is about a million analogies to make. Typing being one we can all relate to. I can type alright at about 80 wpm or so, but I could guaranteed no mistakes at 40 wpm.
Not even close to the same thing.
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Btw it's SOO fun to use this with other games (in single player obviously). I tried it with some HOMM3, Halo 1, WC3, Diablo 2 even. Especially in some games where you need to wait a long time or grind for money/exp, this is pretty entertaining to use. It's pretty challenging to play FPS too on 2x speed.
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definitely going to try this with !xspeed you can increase speed by smaller amounts than x2 if you decire
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how can you call this HACKING if this tool actually makes the game harder for you? ;p
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I usually watch several replays in x2. When i play after that i think all is sloooowwwwlyyyy XD
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On September 02 2009 15:32 MoOnrai11 wrote:
Takes alot of emotional intellegence not to continue to cheat. So I wouldn't advise it for most.
Actually it's the other way around.
Human nature is by its nature curious to everything. So the longer you try to avoid them, the more curious they will be.
But it has nothing to do with cheating. It's a hacking tool that makes ur cpu goes faster. Dunno how it works but it's pretty neat.
On September 02 2009 20:38 potchip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2009 20:12 Sadistx wrote:I tried playing this yesterday and my apm actually went down from my usual ~170 to around 120. Then again i forgot to hotkey shit for most of the game Planting mines with vultures makes me float so high in mins That means a lot of apm on hotkeys! ;P Almost like EAPM :p Btw, as for those talking about mod memory, as far as I understand the program does not wok at sc memory level or app level, it alters the internal clock of the application against cpu cycle or somewhere along those lines. When I used it back in like '99, the 'speed gear' was simply a sliding bar that you can decrease/increase computer's clock vs real time, and it works at OS level, no option to be applicaiotn specific. I don't know how much the program has been updated since then.
It has been updated : Everything is faster including starcraft when you put the speed gear option to x2.
Doesn't work on bnet though. It will even bug on some part.
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