I think on the highest levels of play, Mutaling is the preferred choice because of its mobility, which gosus utilize to its full efficiency.
In lower levels of play, players don't use the mutaling's mobility as efficiently, and so only then do Hydra-Lurks become viable.

Stat.Quo

Canada540 Posts

January 26 2005 02:31 GMT

You can go hydra in zvz if you have an expo, if not its toooo hard vs. a decent player. Hydras are slow and you have to wait for all of these upgrades, and then you get to watch them get eaten by lings.

Bulgaria4186 Posts

January 26 2005 02:35 GMT

coz lings can take control over the map while you are gathering hydras,so to deal with his lings you ll need lurkers and while you are making lurkers he ll take expand

Alpha

France1495 Posts

January 26 2005 02:39 GMT

well mutas can also fly all over the map killing expos why hydras should have to walk over all the obstacles

KillerPenguin

United States516 Posts

January 26 2005 02:54 GMT

More accurately if your not a newb you should be able to use muta ling more effectively. But yeah hydra is better if your not good, or your on a map like bb. Problem is hydra do explosive damage = 5 damage each hit to the muta or ling not 10. If you hydra vs muta/ling ups are important.

SCFraser

Canada1534 Posts

January 26 2005 03:12 GMT

lurks are great vs lings though, if u can get a few lurks to mix in with ur muta/ling you'll rape in the ground battle, so u can run in and kill some drones or tech

Inspire

132 Posts

January 26 2005 03:34 GMT

I used to use different build. First ling/hydra then hydra/scourge and at the end if I was alive hydra defiler with plague, but it was 2 or maybe 3 years ago. I don't know if someone tried this.

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

January 26 2005 04:41 GMT

I've played mutaling into mutahydraling efectively some time ago when I was still a premiere zvz player. Also played 2 hat scourge ling -> exp once spire completes.

poor newb

United States1879 Posts

January 26 2005 05:22 GMT

because muta ling >>>>>>>>>>>>> hydra lurks

Inspire

132 Posts

January 26 2005 05:25 GMT

#10

TKWL I also tried very similar, but only muta/hydra and this also was efective. For me better is hydra scourge if someone can use scourges efficently. Minerals goes to hydras and gas to scourges. 1 hydra and 2 scourges is 100/100.

GranDim

Canada1214 Posts

January 26 2005 05:54 GMT

#11

Mutaling zerg can play a safe long game by taking is natural and protecting it with sunkens while expoing on islands. The hydra user wont be able to expo beyond is natural while the muta will have 4+ easy to defend base.

sundance

Slovakia3201 Posts

January 26 2005 05:56 GMT

#12

When i see hydras in zvz i am always very happy b/c it's auto-win

SCFraser

Canada1534 Posts

January 26 2005 06:38 GMT

#13

Ya come to think of it, its been a long time since ive lost to a hydra build zvz.

Eatme

Switzerland3919 Posts

January 26 2005 07:50 GMT

#14

The thing is to use queens and ensnare plus upgraded hydras and get that early expo. with some sunken behind a evo chamber. I dont really know why it's so unusual but I'm pretty sure it's just harder to pull off than normal mutaling.
I would like to see more ling upgrade like yellow in gamebugsfinal (I think, not sure). Hatch at expo-->gas-->evochamber-->pool-->mass upgraded lings. evochamber before pool is due to upgradetime of attack vs speed. This sounds very slow so I have no idea why it wont get raped or maybe it will be nowadays.
Oh and dont take what I have written so serious since I'm not that good and probably are clueless to what I'm talking about. These things mainly comes from reps since I lack the skill to pull off those strats or any other strats and dont die to my bad uc/micro/macro.

cAtAcLySmIc

United States552 Posts

January 26 2005 08:07 GMT

#15

On January 26 2005 11:31 Stat.Quo wrote:
You can go hydra in zvz if you have an expo, if not its toooo hard vs. a decent player. Hydras are slow and you have to wait for all of these upgrades, and then you get to watch them get eaten by lings.

What he said, if you get them early, gg you lose lings will own them.

LegendaryDreams

Canada1350 Posts

January 26 2005 08:08 GMT

#16

Mobility is key to zerg success.

Day[9]

United States7366 Posts

January 26 2005 08:10 GMT

#17

hydra is very strong in ZvZ

i've beaten a shitload of really really strong korean zergs going hydra in ZvZ, its just REALLY difficult to do. fortunately i have no life and i've practiced it a shitload

i'm like really good

88)WhyYouKickMyDog

United States608 Posts

January 26 2005 08:22 GMT

#18

On January 26 2005 11:54 KillerPenguin wrote:
More accurately if your not a newb you should be able to use muta ling more effectively. But yeah hydra is better if your not good, or your on a map like bb. Problem is hydra do explosive damage = 5 damage each hit to the muta or ling not 10. If you hydra vs muta/ling ups are important.

hydra would be the dumbest possible thing to build on BB

88)WhyYouKickMyDog

United States608 Posts

January 26 2005 08:23 GMT

#19

On January 26 2005 14:56 SuNDAnce wrote:
When i see hydras in zvz i am always very happy b/c it's auto-win

id be glad to slaughter you zvz with hydras if ud like