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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 18:30 GMT
#15901
I honestly just have no respect whatsoever for catalyst first on Ashe/Sivir. It's a bad build and always has been.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 02 2010 18:37 GMT
#15902
On September 03 2010 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
I honestly just have no respect whatsoever for catalyst first on Ashe/Sivir. It's a bad build and always has been.



what about my mejai's first sivir?
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 18:39 GMT
#15903
That's a super pro build that I hold very near and dear to my heart. I like getting DFG, hiding in brush and then insta-gibbing the first idiot who comes near, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
September 02 2010 18:39 GMT
#15904
Really? I always build catalyst first on Sivir. Once you've gotten that and have at least a little mana regen from runes you can spam your skills all day.

My build is usually:
mana crystal + health pots

Catalyst + boots

Builds starks asap now

Finish merc treads/banshees

Once you've got those 3 items you can build w/e the hell you want. I usually just start stacking BF swords lol.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 02 2010 18:43 GMT
#15905
On September 03 2010 03:39 Mogwai wrote:
That's a super pro build that I hold very near and dear to my heart. I like getting DFG, hiding in brush and then insta-gibbing the first idiot who comes near, lol.


yea i didnt even need a solo lane. took side lane and went legendary 16 stacks like 15 minutes into the game lolz. I was raping this kog in my lane hard with it. TRIPLE BOOMERANG KILL

think i went like mejai's/sorc boots/rylai's/GA
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 18:47:06
September 02 2010 18:45 GMT
#15906
the 2 sivir builds I do:

1.
d-shield
bf Sword
boots
bloodthirster
merc treads
Last Whisper/Starks
Stack bloodthirsters

skills: WEWQWRWQWQRQQEEREE

2.
d-ring
bf Sword
boots
bloodthirster
merc treads
Last Whisper/Starks
Stack bloodthirsters

skills: QEQWQRQWQWRWWEEREE

1 is for 2v1 lanes or 1v1 vs. not-anivia
2 is for 1v1 vs. anivia or 2v2
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 18:47 GMT
#15907
On September 03 2010 03:43 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2010 03:39 Mogwai wrote:
That's a super pro build that I hold very near and dear to my heart. I like getting DFG, hiding in brush and then insta-gibbing the first idiot who comes near, lol.


yea i didnt even need a solo lane. took side lane and went legendary 16 stacks like 15 minutes into the game lolz. I was raping this kog in my lane hard with it. TRIPLE BOOMERANG KILL

think i went like mejai's/sorc boots/rylai's/GA

awww, no DFG? That's my favorite part of AP Siv, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 02 2010 18:49 GMT
#15908
On September 03 2010 03:47 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2010 03:43 Brees wrote:
On September 03 2010 03:39 Mogwai wrote:
That's a super pro build that I hold very near and dear to my heart. I like getting DFG, hiding in brush and then insta-gibbing the first idiot who comes near, lol.


yea i didnt even need a solo lane. took side lane and went legendary 16 stacks like 15 minutes into the game lolz. I was raping this kog in my lane hard with it. TRIPLE BOOMERANG KILL

think i went like mejai's/sorc boots/rylai's/GA

awww, no DFG? That's my favorite part of AP Siv, lol.


i would if you could get close enough in teamfights to use DFG but you really cant. that and it has no good components, with rylai's you can buy a G-belt early to keep your stacks flowin;
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 18:52 GMT
#15909
yea, I know, rylais is amazing and you were playing a ranked game, I just play AP sivir on the smurf where people keep getting instagibbed by MIA sivir chillin' in their jungle brush, lol. I don't even push most of the time. More important for the enemies to have no idea where you are, lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
September 02 2010 18:56 GMT
#15910
On September 03 2010 03:45 Mogwai wrote:
the 2 sivir builds I do:

1.
d-shield
bf Sword
boots
bloodthirster
merc treads
Last Whisper/Starks
Stack bloodthirsters

skills: WEWQWRWQWQRQQEEREE

2.
d-ring
bf Sword
boots
bloodthirster
merc treads
Last Whisper/Starks
Stack bloodthirsters

skills: QEQWQRQWQWRWWEEREE

1 is for 2v1 lanes or 1v1 vs. not-anivia
2 is for 1v1 vs. anivia or 2v2


I'll make a note about how I play sivir slightly differently, I switch the position of starks and bloodthirster in the item build. I do this because I push at mid game and finishing starks is a timing for group pushes, generally opponents have carries and you want to group push before the carries get items. Second, I put the fifth level of W at level 18, the advantage it gains, due to being such a low % of your attack that its not worth taking over extra mana from E, which may let you cast an extra Q.
ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
September 02 2010 18:59 GMT
#15911
My experience with AP Sivir is she rapes hard in lane (especially vs mages due to spellshield), but late game one of two things happens.

She either a.) gets a SS, a couple kills and gets fed and turns into a mega carry or b.) doesn't get stacks and does lackluster damage and is p useless in teamfights. Also, since you went AP, your pushing ability blows and your W is nearly useless off like 95 base damage.

I guess if your team avoid teamfights and just gets into poke wars AP Sivir could be alright cause she nukes squishies insanely hard if they catch the end of a BB. Nothing quite like nuking half a squishy who thinks he is safe in brush.
Derp
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 19:01 GMT
#15912
holy crap they buffed Philosopher's Stone in the PTR. No idea if it's enough to make the stupid thing a good idea on anyone, but that is a fairly big buff.

PTR Notes 9/1/2010:
+ Show Spoiler +


Champions

Akali

* Fixed a display error with Twin Disciplines and death recap.
* Shadow Dance
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Alistar

* Headbutt
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Unbreakable Will
o Corrected the tooltip: it removes all crowd control not all debuffs.
* Pulverize's tooltip corrected to not imply that enemies do not take damage until they land.
* Increased base attack speed and attack speed per level to be approximately at the level of Rammus.

Amumu

* Bandage Toss
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Curse of the Sad Mummy
o Corrected the debuff tooltip: it renders units unable to attack or move.
* Cursed Touch
o Magic Resistance Reduction reduced to 15/25/35 from 20/30/40.

Annie

* Corrected the buff tooltip on Molten Shield so it correctly implies that all attackers receive magic damage.

Cho'Gath

* Fixed a display error with Vorpal Spikes and death recap.
* Feral Scream
o Reduced the silence duration to 2/2.25/2.5/2.75/3 seconds from 2/2.5/3/3.5/4 seconds
o Reduced the cooldown duration to 13 seconds from 16 seconds

Corki

* Attack Range increased to 550 from 500.
* Valkyre
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Missile Barrage
o Reduced reload time to 10 from 14.
* Attack Speed Per Level increased to 2.3 from 1.86

Dr. Mundo

* Infected Cleaver
o Cost changed to 50/60/70/80/90 from 30/50/70/90/110
o Dr. Mundo is healed for half of the ability cost when the cleaver strikes a target.
* Burning Agony
o Cost lowered to 20/25/30/35/40 from 20/27.5/35/42.5/50
* Masochism
o Cost changed to 25/35/45/55/65 from 15/30/45/60/75
* Sadism
o Returns 40/55/70 percent of Mundo's health instead of 50/50/50.

Ezreal

* Base damage reduced to 45 from 47.6
* Damage Per Level reduced to 2.6 from 3
* Attack Speed Per Level reduced to 2.8 from 3.22
* Mystic Shot
o Mystic Shot damage reduced to 35/55/75/95/115 from 40/65/90/115/140
* Essence Flux
o Mana Cost reduced to 70/80/90/100/110 from 80/90/100/110/120

Gangplank

* Fixed a display error with Grog Soaked Blade and death recap.
* Fixed a bug where Gangplank's passive would be replaced with the Grog Soaked Blade debuff text when struck by another Gangplank.

Garen

* Courage
o Max Armor/MR reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 7/14/21/28/35

Gragas

* Fixed a display error with the tooltip on Barrel Roll's self buff.
* Body Slam
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Heimerdinger

* UPGRADE!!!
o Corrected the tooltip: the slow is actually 20/25/30 not 25/30/35.

Kassadin

* Nether Blade's level up tooltip correctly states the increased mana cost.
* Void Walk
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Katarina

* Shunpo
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Karthus

* Wall of Pain's level up tooltip correctly states the increased slow amount.

Kayle

* Reckoning's debuff and death recap tooltips have had erroneous mentions of attack speed slows removed.

Kog'Maw

* Living Artillery's buff on Kog'Maw correctly states that the increased cost per stack is 40, rather than 50.

Malphite

* Unstoppable Force
o Unstoppable Force is now stoppable... because it can no longer be cast while rooted.

Malzahar

* Call of the Void
o Cooldown reduced to 9 seconds from 10 seconds.
* Null Zone
o Mana cost reduced to 80/95/110/125/140 from 90/105/120/135/150.
o Null Zone no longer places a blank buff on Malzahar.
* Malefic Visions
o Malzahar's Voidlings will attack the target affected by Malzahar's most recently cast Malefic Visions.
* Nether Grasp
o Now suppresses summoner spells in addition to stunning the target.
o Range increased to 750 from 650.

Master Yi

* Wuju Style tooltip simplified.
* Alpha Strike
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Nasus

* Fury of the Sands buff on Nasus no longer incorrectly states that it grants increased attack speed.

Nidalee

* Pounce
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Cougar form's tooltip correctly mentions the 10% bonus dodge chance Nidalee gains in Cougar Form.
* Corrected a display error with Takedown and death recap.

Pantheon

* Corrected a display error with Pantheon's auto attack and death recap.
* Aegis of Zeonia
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Grand Skyfall
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Poppy

* Heroic Charge
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Shaco

* Deceive
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Shen

* Shadow Dash
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.
* Stand United
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Sivir

* Typos corrected in the level up tooltips for Spell Shield and Boomerang Blade.

Soraka

* Starcall
o Debuff placed now correctly states that it can stack up to 20x.

Taric

* Imbue
o Base Heal reduced to 80/120/160/200/240 from 100/145/190/235/280
o AP Ratio increased to 1.1 from 0.9

Tristana

* Rocket Jump
o Debuff placed now correctly states the slow amount.
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Tryndamere

* Spinning Slash
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Twitch

* Spray and Pray
o Buff no longer incorrectly states that he does reduced damage during Spray and Pray.

Twisted Fate

* Destiny/Gate
o Gate can no longer be cast while rooted. Destiny can still be cast while rooted.

Veigar

* Fixed a typo in Event Horizon.

Vladimir

* Hemoplague debuff now provides assists.

Warwick

* Blood Scent
o Blood Scent is now a toggle.
* Infinite Duress
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Xin Zhao

* Audacious Charge
o Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Summoner Spells

Flash

* Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Teleport

* Can no longer be cast while rooted.

Items

* Sheen, Lich's Bane, Trinity Force
o Sheen, Lich's Bane and Trinity Force's "reservoir" system removed. These items will now strictly respect the cooldown time between procs.
o Sheen, Lich's Bane and Trinity Force's cooldowns reduced to 2 second delays between procs from 3 seconds.
o Normalized the cooldown delay between ranged and melee characters by adjusting the cooldown start time.
* Spirit Visage redesigned
o Comprised of Null-Magic Mantle, Ruby Crystal, and 375 recipe cost.
o 30 Magic Resist
o 200 Health
o UNIQUE Passive: Reduces ability cooldowns by 12% and increases your healing and regeneration effects on yourself by 20%.
* Tears of the Godess
o New Recipe: Meki Pendant + Mana Crystal + 205G.
o Now gives 350 mana and 7 mp/5 up from 350 mana and 5 mp/5.
* New Item: Manamune
o Recipe consists of Tears of the Goddess + Long Sword + 500G.
o 350 Mana
o 7 Mana per 5 seconds.
o 20 Attack Damage
o UNIQUE Passive: 2% of your maximum mana is converted to attack damage.
o UNIQUE Passive: Whenever you attack or use an ability your maximum mana is increased by 4. (2 for attacks) This bonus caps out at 1000 mana.
* Randuin's Omen
o Tooltip updated to state correct slow amount
* Guardian Angel
o Champions are now revived at 750 health and 375 mana instead of 40% health and mana.
* Regrowth Pendant
o Cost reduced to 435 from 450.
* Philosopher's Stone
o New Recipe: Faerie Charm + Regrowth Pendant + 185G. Total cost now 800 from 1090.

General

* Abilities with movement or teleport based components now cannot be cast while rooted.
* Hyper-Kinetic Position Reverser, Infinite Duress and Nether Grasp now properly suppress and stun their targets.
* Suppression prevents summoner spells from being cast, and makes the ability not affected by duration reduction effects such as that granted by Mercury's Treads.
* Towers currently attacking a champion will not respond to further calls for help from other champions.
* Improved many of the playing as and playing against tips.
* Fixed a bug that caused red cannon minions to deal and receive normal damage from towers.
* Fixed a bug that caused super creeps to receive normal damage from towers.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 02 2010 19:07 GMT
#15913
i like how they just nerf 1 random champion every patch that no one even said anything about just for fun. they finally gave in to all the CHO IS OP threads. gotta reduce dat silence. I based my whole build around his silence so wont be playing him as much...
Brees on in
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 02 2010 19:09 GMT
#15914
Anyone mind posting a few quick tips on Olaf? Just picked him up and don't feel like making a fool of myself.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 19:20:22
September 02 2010 19:15 GMT
#15915
Rooted is what exactly? I mean the word seems clear enough, but I don't recall spells that say they "root" the enemy, though I don't know all the descriptions by heart...

Secret nerf to tanks: GA: 750 HP is likely less than 40% of a tank's max HP.

Philosopher's stone might actually make sense on Ashe, if it pays off quickly enough to speed up the first 5k a bit. CDR Ashe can use the MP5 too. Have to calculate/test to find out. Though I currently like to start with DShield...


Btw I usually get my Catalyst on Ashe at lvl 16. Unless I don't get Banshees as tank item. Turns into Banshees asap of course. For some reason it is pretty much always lvl 16. I check because I like to know if I can make use of the passive at all :p
I don't like getting anything other than boots before I finish my first 4k in offensive item(s) on Ashe. You need that money to be able to do anything imo.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 19:17 GMT
#15916
Rooted is Amumu ult, Morgana binding and Ryze rune prison.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
September 02 2010 19:19 GMT
#15917
Spirit visage change is very nice.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
September 02 2010 19:20 GMT
#15918
omg hp + mr must be imba what were they thinking now tanks unstoppable ziziy0
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
September 02 2010 19:21 GMT
#15919
spirit visage is a must have item now for mid-game. dayum thats good.
Brees on in
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 19:36:40
September 02 2010 19:21 GMT
#15920
Manamune sounds like a stupidly OP item.

-nvm- I can't do basic math. For some reason I thought 2% of 2000 was 100. It's only 40, haha

Still, that's a lot of AD for an item that costs less than a BF sword.
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