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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 17 2010 15:30 GMT
#12721
I'm still running HP quints on Kassadin and I still have no idea what's a better option (if there is any), hahah.

Siiiiiiiiiigh.

And this is why I've never thought very hard about what runes to use.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
August 17 2010 15:33 GMT
#12722
Man, free heimar weeks suck, just a bit more before I'll finish my second rune page and be done with normal ques. Oh yeah, Weisser Ritter = Celestial
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 15:34:25
August 17 2010 15:34 GMT
#12723
On August 18 2010 00:30 Southlight wrote:
I'm still running HP quints on Kassadin and I still have no idea what's a better option (if there is any), hahah.

Siiiiiiiiiigh.

And this is why I've never thought very hard about what runes to use.

would the flat AP Quints be a good choice? I really have no idea, and I mean, flat HP are always good, they might not be optimal, but they're guaranteed to be passable on all champs.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 17 2010 15:36 GMT
#12724
HP gives me an extra 96 hp of margin for error, but I don't often need it aside from against Ignite (which often takes me down that low, stupid Ignite).

As I mentioned before and mainly to redtooth,

15 AP is like 22 damage on a full spell cycle. Or more "importantly" an extra 10 damage per Q during laning. How significant is that? I don't really know. Assuming I'm pumping out Q on cd that's an extra 60 damage per minute... which is kinda underwhelming personally. Not to mention when you compare that to the extra 96 hp from flat HP it feels significantly weaker and useless.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
August 17 2010 15:39 GMT
#12725
On August 17 2010 23:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 23:40 Haemonculus wrote:
Ohhhh god just had a poppy on our team who rushes lich bane before boots. And then... nothing but blasting rods.

1/11/0. AWESOME SOLO Q RITE?

your team isn't the only one with baddies, you have to locate them and then bully them constantly


Yah, I was able to find an adorable feeder twitch to fill up my soulstealer.

But then we had a corki on our team steal golem from me with smite, and then literally deliver it directly to enemy annie. Unbelievable lol.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Fishcakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States149 Posts
August 17 2010 15:42 GMT
#12726
A page ago you said that you miss the 3% movement speed, so another 4.5% seems perfect for you. Your trading Hp for mobility, which for kass, whom i think relies on positioning a lot, would be a better choice imo.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 17 2010 15:43 GMT
#12727
On August 18 2010 00:42 Fishcakes wrote:
A page ago you said that you miss the 3% movement speed, so another 4.5% seems perfect for you. Your trading Hp for mobility, which for kass, whom i think relies on positioning a lot, would be a better choice imo.


Actually I meant 3% movement speed on smurf account, on which I don't play Kassadin :p

Mspd is tempting (I mentioned it in LP) but I'm actually pondering moving to mpen quint/mark/glyph mp5pl seal and just hammering people with runes + guise on top of RoA.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
August 17 2010 15:45 GMT
#12728
Currently I like Mpen quints on casters... but the early HP is soooo freaking useful early game.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 17 2010 15:58 GMT
#12729
Just played the worst game I've played in a month --
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Deleted User 50491
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
721 Posts
August 17 2010 16:05 GMT
#12730
I was watching some streams and they were in this big huge IRC channel for LoL I was wondering if anyone knew it? I tried searching but did not find anything.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 17 2010 16:14 GMT
#12731
On August 18 2010 01:05 Kuo wrote:
I was watching some streams and they were in this big huge IRC channel for LoL I was wondering if anyone knew it? I tried searching but did not find anything.
liquidparty
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 17 2010 16:18 GMT
#12732
On August 18 2010 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
Just played the worst game I've played in a month --

we all hv been through this. just go to sleep and play when you wake up. Guarantee things will get better.

riot should implement swap command in ban/pick phase, make things MUCH easier....
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
August 17 2010 16:25 GMT
#12733
On August 18 2010 00:33 Celestial wrote:
Man, free heimar weeks suck, just a bit more before I'll finish my second rune page and be done with normal ques. Oh yeah, Weisser Ritter = Celestial


really? and here i was thinking weisser ritter = white knight
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 16:29:54
August 17 2010 16:29 GMT
#12734
No I meant my TL name in correlation to my LoL name, but yes it is White Knight.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 16:34:35
August 17 2010 16:39 GMT
#12735
On August 17 2010 23:30 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 22:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also I figured out that jungling with Chogath is the fucking sauce, he's able to keep up with and sometimes outlevel the solo lanes plus showing up in a lane with rupture/double buffs means that if you hit an auto-attack or a rupture it's game over for the other champ. Then at level 6 you show up with double buffs/feast and wtf so sick, double kills all over the place. On top of that at 15 minutes I usually have a RoA from jungling and transition into unkillable chogath for the mid push.


How do you do it (build/runes)? I've been testing jungle cho too. Though I'm always pretty high health in the jungle in terms of XP I can only barely keep up with the double lane, nevermind the solo lane. That's why I sort of gave up on it.

I'm kind of new to jungling, but Cho is one of my favorites and I'd love to make jungling with him work when it's possible.

Also, how do you fair when there's other junglers?

Vs other junglers you're usually fine, udyr's probably the biggest threat but if you can get a rupture to cover while you run and scream at him he usually runs off. Xin is hard because he heals and disrupts, so try to use the same strat, rupture cover and scream as it hits to escape with ghost.

Masteries:
1/16/13, improved smite, one point in all the nimbleness-tier, strength of spirit maxed. 3 perseverance, 1 improved ghost, 4 xp boost, 3 meditation and 2 in buff mastery.

Runes are attackspeed marks/quints, dodge seals and cdr glyphs. I've been toying around with some MR/lv too, it's not bad.

Take smite/ghost, buy cloth armor and 5 hp pots and go wraiths -> wolves -> blue buff -> small golems -> red buff -> gank. They never, ever expect the cho gank because nobody does it. Hit either a rupture or an auto attack and it's basically gg. The only time i've ever failed the first gank was last game, they blew ghost, exhaust and flash and we still almost got them.

After that go back to jungle (their side if they don't have a jungler, but your side again if they do) and run around killing stuff. Grab blue again when its up and go for ganks aggressively. One kill or assist will let you outlevel solo lanes sometimes. When you hit 6 go for the rupture/red buff/feast gank which is really, really hard to stop. I usually buy boots and a catalyst at this point. My standard for a Rod of Ages while jungling is 15 minutes. I hit it nearly every time on the dot.

The one thing that sucks about jungle cho is that it takes you forever to get dragon. If you can get a sick gank off at bottom lane you can try to take it instead of taking tower, giving you more gank opportunities on bottom which you totally want because your gank phase is so strong. It's never a bad thing to take a tower though.

For skills, QEQEQR then R>Q>W>E. Spikes are nice for jungling but after a certain point it won't matter and you'll want scream for midgame. If they have an escape artist or morgana sometimes I take w for the first gank instead of a point in e.

But ya you should totally try it it's super fun. End build looks like RoA Merc FoN GA and your call from there. Survivability is good, another rod is good if it's going long (15 minutes after you'd complete it), banshee's for casters, Thornmail for physical, just whatever. Make sure to get an oracles and red/blue elixir near the end if you manage to complete your build. If I wasn't concerned about surviving I'd probably grab a Zhonya's early on as well.

Good luck!

[edit]
Tank jungling is pretty sick too. Basically you get 2 HoGs and treads then get a giant's belt, GA, then finish sunfire. Try to keep your stacks high and blue elixir/golem if you need stack out quickly. You're just the CC/initiation/spell shield when you play this style, and it's really good if you don't have a true tank, because AP Cho really needs a primary tank to do well if you're not completely stomping them. Try to tank for your team and silence the crucial players (vlad, taric, xin, shaco, etc.) while hitting sick ruptures to let your dps and stunners catch up. Feast the carries or anyone that's low and kill/assist/force them to run. If you need more MR get a Banshees, and finish Randuins at some point.

Now go, and rape nubs. [/edit]
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
August 17 2010 16:46 GMT
#12736
Oooo awesome got an eve on our team this time. And she's got teleport.

And she picked eve last. After seeing Xin, Ez, Morg, and Shen on the enemy team.

This'll end well.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:11:16
August 17 2010 16:49 GMT
#12737
^ just something to think about for your pre-game jungling setup...

early on, you get a lot more mileage out of armor seals and defensive mastery/harden skin than you do out of dodge seals and dodge masteries. Like, the typical jungling setup I run is always 1/16/13 with armor seals (other runes vary depending on character). dodge setup admittedly scales a little better to the end game, but I find jungling goes much much smoother with the armor setup.

EDIT: I also think that veteran's scars are pretty overrated, I only get 2 in them and I'm honestly thinking about cutting them and 1 point of meditation and going for 15 in utility to get the movespeed boost.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 17:08:03
August 17 2010 17:06 GMT
#12738
[image loading]

Love solo queue, getting carried so fucking hard. Btw the Olaf was around 1100 rating, gg matchmaking too.

EDIT: To give you an idea about the Olaf, he was laning with me and started with vamp scepter and was lasthitting almost solely with Reckless Swing.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 17 2010 17:18 GMT
#12739
On August 18 2010 01:49 Mogwai wrote:
^ just something to think about for your pre-game jungling setup...

early on, you get a lot more mileage out of armor seals and defensive mastery/harden skin than you do out of dodge seals and dodge masteries. Like, the typical jungling setup I run is always 1/16/13 with armor seals (other runes vary depending on character). dodge setup admittedly scales a little better to the end game, but I find jungling goes much much smoother with the armor setup.

EDIT: I also think that veteran's scars are pretty overrated, I only get 2 in them and I'm honestly thinking about cutting them and 1 point of meditation and going for 15 in utility to get the movespeed boost.


I run 1/16/13 on Udyr.
Imp Smite, -5 Physical, Nimble, 3 Meditate, 2 Utility
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 17 2010 17:25 GMT
#12740
ah, no strength of spirit, right?
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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