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Why I Hate Battle.net 2.0 - Page 6
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omninmo
2349 Posts
that is what it boils down to. game companies start off innocent and bold and end up rich and shitty (but with phacebuk). | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:26 Kennigit wrote: Doesn't Greg Canessa's background focuses on casual players (ie history at XBox Live/Pop Cap)? It's no wonder so much focus is on these things like achievements and facebook  . I dont want to sling shit at an easy target, but i really feel the designers of this system are completely out of touch with what users NEEDYes. XBL I know for sure you are correct on, and your post is spot on. On May 24 2010 08:26 Afterhours wrote: Wait, hold on. Im not sure I understand. Can people explain to me why the dislike the facebook addition so much? Is it because its taking resources from doing something else? Are you strictly against FB? Im noticing so much energy going into how much people hate the FB addition to 2.0, yet im not sure what exactly the negative impacts are. Negative impacts: #1 Privacy. I don't need to explain this AT ALL. If you don't get that part, then you probably never will understand the legitimacy of privacy. Blizzard is, after all, a business. Do you give out your facebook to telemarketers? #2 Similarly with the same dispassionate energy that the FB module is hated, it seems that Blizzard invested a disproportionate and completely unnecessary amount of energy into something that will, in the long run, probably chalk up to be a marketing gimmick between Blizz and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook. There are hundreds of thousands of threads around the intertubes that suggest(ed) what would improve BNet, and before it was announced, I can guarantee you with the utmost confidence that not one of them ever suggested that it needed FaceBook. We don't want it. Why are they wasting time on it, instead of BALANCE? Or server load tests, network configurations and infrastructure? They're just getting to that now, that's why the beta is closing soon for a period of time. There's still so many ESSENTIAL THINGS that need to be added, fixed, improved, etc., and rather than take the time to do what it should prioritize, Blizzard comes out with something that nobody ever asked for, and that most people don't even like, then try to pawn it off as the awesome new feature, so ground-breaking that it will replace a perfectly logical way of connecting with other people over Bnet (.../f a UserName) with something that not all people even use, and REALLY is a breach of privacy. #3 Facebook integration: It's a gimmick. It should be put in last, as an optional feature, if ever, at all. They made it the BIG THING of the "revolution of BNet". It's not. In reality, either FB or BNet saw an opportunity with the release of SC2 to get more publicity and a larger userbase, and either one paid the other (i.e. FB: "Plz put us in SC2" or Blizz: "Hey can we put you in sc2?"), or it was one of those "you scratch my back, I scratch yours...Have I got a business proposition to you!" sort of deals. For more on why we hate facebook so much, see the post below mine as well. | ||
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TheTuna
United States286 Posts
HOWEVER. I agree that Bnet automatically logging you into Facebook is REALLY fucked up though. That's just absurd, and Blizzard should remove that feature immediately. They have no right to do that. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:40 TheTuna wrote: I agree that Bnet automatically logging you into Facebook is REALLY fucked up though. That's just absurd, and Blizzard should remove that feature immediately. They have no right to do that. Wait what? I havnt used the facebook thing but it logs you onto facebook automatically?!?!? Really? | ||
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Spidermonkey
United States251 Posts
Basically B.Net 2.0 isn't what we were promised. It has some very basic features and feels like it is at a very early beta phase, not 4 days from ending beta. (I'm talking about features) However I LIKE the Facebook feature, at least from what I've seen. I typed in my FB email and a list of FB friends that play SC2 popped up. That was it. I've seen no other intrusive B.net/FB stuff other than that. StarCraft 2 is a great game. B.Net is horrible. | ||
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
Negative impacts: #1 Privacy. I don't need to explain this AT ALL. If you don't get that part, then you probably never will understand the legitimacy of privacy. Blizzard is, after all, a business. Do you give out your facebook to telemarketers? I understand. But you also have the options to change the privacy of your profile so that it isnt open to whomever. -shrugs- Similarly with the same dispassionate energy that the FB module is hated, it seems that Blizzard invested a disproportionate and completely unnecessary amount of energy into something that will, in the long run, probably chalk up to be a marketing gimmick between Blizz and Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook. There are hundreds of thousands of threads around the intertubes that suggest(ed) what would improve BNet, and before it was announced, I can guarantee you with the utmost confidence that not one of them ever suggested that it needed FaceBook. We don't want it. Why are they wasting time on it, instead of BALANCE? Or server load tests, network configurations and infrastructure? They're just getting to that now, that's why the beta is closing soon for a period of time. There's still so many ESSENTIAL THINGS that need to be added, fixed, improved, etc., and rather than take the time to do what it should prioritize, Blizzard comes out with something that nobody ever asked for, and that most people don't even like. While I agree that the Facebook addition is crap, and nobody really wanted it, it hasnt proven to be terrible. Im definitely not trying to defend the addition, but I have a feeling, that with time, it will transform into something we may appreciate. Or utterly hate for the rest of 2.0's existence. Perhaps Im a little too optimistic for this thread. O.o | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
Not you people, obviously. But people.  | ||
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TheTuna
United States286 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:42 Archerofaiur wrote: Wait what? I havnt used the facebook thing but it logs you onto facebook automatically?!?!? Really? Neither have I, but someone posted earlier that if your FB and Battle.net emails are identical you are logged into Facebook when logged into Battle.net. And, I would assume, adding a Real ID friend in Battle.net probably adds them on Facebook too. Thank god I made a trash email for my facebook to avoid this kinda crap. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:40 TheTuna wrote: To be honest I never really used chat channels except between friends, which parties cover anyways. Quite frankly they were cesspools for the most part and I won't miss them. HOWEVER. I agree that Bnet automatically logging you into Facebook is REALLY fucked up though. That's just absurd, and Blizzard should remove that feature immediately. They have no right to do that. I just have to ask you the same thing I ask everybody else who says "I never used channels anyway", and that is...So what? By adding chat channels, you lose nothing. You can go /join IMALONELYNERD and sit by yourself if you want, right? You don't have to sit in the "cesspool", as you so lovingly (^^) put it...right? Right. Conversely, however, by removing chat channels, many people do lose something. You might not like/use them much, but the majority of people do like them, and do use them. In short - Channels have no reason to not be there, their existence does not impede with ANYBODY'S flow or gameplay, you can just, hey, join your own lonely private channel and be alone with your thoughts. | ||
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shlomo
258 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:43 Afterhours wrote: I understand. But you also have the options to change the privacy of your profile so that it isnt open to whomever. -shrugs- Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the news concerning the POS that is facebook. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:43 Afterhours wrote: I understand. But you also have the options to change the privacy of your profile so that it isnt open to whomever. -shrugs- Not the same thing. I have the option to change privacy settings of my profile to people who go to facebook.com. There is not an option to block Blizzard from seeing my info. Blizzard, firstly, does not have the same view, say, your ex- has on your facebook, where you can block that bitch from seeing your pictures. BNet is integrated at a much, much deeper structural data level. They can, and probably already have, set up a system in which all of your information on the FB servers is automatically harvested ("datamining") and stored on their own servers. You do not get to block this. Furthermore, Blizzard is run by people, people I don't know. People with a very fundamental access to my very personal information. They're not angels. Blizzard is run by the same people you decide to block on facebook, I would bet. Do you really want some random Blizzard employee knowing your full first, middle and last name, email address for confirmation (which you signed up with), phone number, address, all your friends names and info, your family members, what you look like from pictures? Your interests, what you look at, what you spend your time doing off Battle.Net? That's none of their business. That's why it is BAD. While I agree that the Facebook addition is crap, and nobody really wanted it, it hasnt proven to be terrible. Im definitely not trying to defend the addition, but I have a feeling, that with time, it will transform into something we may appreciate. Or utterly hate for the rest of 2.0's existence. Perhaps Im a little too optimistic for this thread. O.o I see it going the way of the KBK ladder functions in SC1. Utterly useless to 99.999% of the users. Remember how cool myspace was a few years ago? Then it got pwned by facebook? Do you really expect facebook to be king forever? I don't. Nobody really expected anybody to be able to take hold of the market from MySpace either. Facebook will eventually lose its popularity. Therefore, this isn't even a good thing to put into Bnet from a marketing and business perspective for sustainable growth and utility; and indeed isan even worse idea from an ethical and privacy perspective. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
Clearly you haven't been keeping up with the news concerning the POS that is facebook. edit: enlightenment achieved. | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
my battle.net is not looking like that wtf ? is it my graphic settings ? | ||
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
Not the same thing. I have the option to change privacy settings of my profile to people who go to facebook.com. There is not an option to block Blizzard from seeing my info. Blizzard, firstly, does not have the same view, say, your ex- has on your facebook, where you can block that bitch from seeing your pictures. BNet is integrated at a much, much deeper structural data level. They can, and probably already have, set up a system in which all of your information on the FB servers is automatically harvested ("datamining") and stored on their own servers. You do not get to block this. Furthermore, Blizzard is run by people, people I don't know. People with a very fundamental access to my very personal information. They're not angels. Blizzard is run by the same people you decide to block on facebook, I would bet. Do you really want some random Blizzard employee knowing your full first, middle and last name, email address for confirmation (which you signed up with), phone number, address, all your friends names and info, your family members, what you look like from pictures? Your interests, what you look at, what you spend your time doing off Battle.Net? That's none of their business. That's why it is BAD. Do you honestly thing Blizzard would do something malicious to you based on this information? Do you think it wouldnt be illegal? Do you think Blizzard Entertainment doesnt have an HR department that would specifically look out for this kind of malicious activity? And secondly, who in their right mind would even post that sort of information ON THE INTERNET? (phone number, address, etc.) I see it going the way of the KBK ladder functions in SC1. Utterly useless to 99.999% of the users. Remember how cool myspace was a few years ago? Then it got pwned by facebook? Do you really expect facebook to be king forever? This isn't even a good thing to put into Bnet from a marketing and business perspective for sustainable growth and utility; and indeed isan even worse idea from an ethical and privacy perspective. Agreed. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 08:54 kajeus wrote: I wonder how much it costs to maintain chat servers for potentially millions of peoples. A chat service for millions of people is not very different in technicality and specs/cost than one for 200 people. It's the bandwidth that costs, and adding bundles of lines of text (conversatons in a chat) into a stream of data full of full 3d HDTV quality graphics, surround sound audio, etc etc is not even an increase worth discussing... | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:03 InfiniteIce wrote: A chat service for millions of people is not very different in technicality and specs/cost than one for 200 people. It's the bandwidth that costs, and adding bundles of lines of text (conversatons in a chat) into a stream of data full of full 3d HDTV quality graphics, surround sound audio, etc etc is not even an increase worth discussing... They aren't transmitting the 3D HDTV quality graphics, surround sound audio, etc... | ||
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Perfect Balance
Norway131 Posts
Do you really want some random Blizzard employee knowing your full first, middle and last name, email address for confirmation (which you signed up with), phone number, address, all your friends names and info, your family members, what you look like from pictures? Your interests, what you look at, what you spend your time doing off Battle.Net? That's none of their business. That's why it is BAD. Exactly. Maybe it doesn't matter to the younger kids on here, but privacy is important. Companies' ability to peek into your private life should matter to you, on a larger scale than just Battle.net. They'll be able to bombard you with advertisement, make tons of money off of you. SELL your potential consumer worth to some other company. In the end, you'll just be be "consumer #3817020", with "potential product investment 9.4", a commodity for companies to barter with. In essence, that's what has already happened with the facebook integration. You should be outraged, you should be insulted that Blizzard requests and uses your private information, but most of you are not. That has me worried. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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