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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:26 Madkipz wrote: make tons of money off of you. SELL your potential consumer worth to some other company. Wait whaT? bnet wouldnt try to do that would they? Sounds like what people said when FaceBook hinted at dubious privacy issues of a similar nature. WHAT? FACEBOOK WOULDNT DO THAT WOULD THEY? Now, look who they're partnering up with. | ||
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Perfect Balance
Norway131 Posts
Blizzard End User Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON" Read it carefully. This is BAD, people. This is shockingly, disgustingly bad. Does anyone actually agree with this, after reading it? They can sell your private information, phone number, email, anything they want to anyone they want. I think this is an interesting test, t o see if people are willing to dig their own grave for cheap entertainment and temporary safety. I can't believe some of the content in this contract. Never read anything like it! I'm in shock.. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:17 coma wrote: I just found this thread on the official forums ( I hope it hasn't been posted yet) and it pretty much strengthens the points you take and also gives some possible answers, notably that chatchannels will probably be available but for a fee. Shouldn't be left out of this discusion imo Link + Show Spoiler + Seeing as I bought, played and liked almost every single game Blizzard has ever released (even the more obscure stuff like Lost Vikings I+II and Blackthorne) and even have several copies of some games like StarCraft or WarCraft 2+3 and I might’ve been classified as an outright “Blizzard fanboy” right up to the moment where World of Warcraft got released (which I was awaiting for years by the way and had such high expectations for) and a few years later this is particularly hard to do, but I think I will skip their games from now on, let me try to explain why. # More spyware (Blizzard has the right to store, read and pass on every message (chat or voice) you transmit over B.Net 2.0, for security reasons of course) https://us.battle.net/account/creation/tos.xml Q u o t e: Content Screening and Disclosure. We do not, and cannot, pre-screen or monitor all User Content. However, our representatives may monitor and/or record your communications (including without limitation chat text) when you are using the Service or playing a Game, and you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring and recording[. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of any User Content, including without limitation chat text or voice communications. We do not assume any responsibility or liability for User Content that is generated by users. We have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to edit, refuse to post, or remove any User Content. WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON # More control (Blizzard has the right to any content (redistribute, modify and sell) you transmit or post on the Battle.Net including pictures, sounds and most certainly maps) Q u o t e: User Content. "User Content" means any communications, images, sounds, and all the material and information that you upload or transmit through a Game client or the Service, or that other users upload or transmit, including without limitation any chat text. You hereby grant Blizzard a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, paid-up, non-exclusive, license, including the right to sublicense to third parties, and right to reproduce, fix, adapt, modify, translate, reformat, create derivative works from, manufacture, introduce into circulation, publish, distribute, sell, license, sublicense, transfer, rent, lease, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, or provide access to electronically, broadcast, communicate to the public by telecommunication, display, perform, enter into computer memory, and use and practice such User Content as well as all modified and derivative works thereof. To the extent permitted by applicable laws, you hereby waive any moral rights you may have in any User Content. Basically, once you’ve uploaded something onto the B.Net and if it’s popular they can take your idea, modify it a bit and put it up for money on their own map marketplace. # Map "Marketplace" (no more "free maps", by everyone for everyone like in the first StarCraft or WarCraft 3, they got IG shops you can pay money for 3rd party maps in, and the authors even get A PORTION of the earnings, how generous of you Blizzard) http://kotaku.com/5343006/blizzard-you-may-sell-your-starcraft-2-maps-on-battlenet-eventually Remember all of those free Blizzard maps for WarCraft 3, Blizzard made out of customer friendliness and to build up even more of a loyal fanbase? http://classic.battle.net/war3/maps/ Well… not anymore… # They’re going to nickle-and-dime people for „features“ like creating Custom Tournaments/Leagues. Wonder why there’s still no chat even though it seems like a simple feature? It’s probably because it might cost something to keep a “Clan” chat-channel or similar open: http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/190/StarCraftIIDevelopersInterviewed Q u o t e: So what's Battle.net all about and how is it different? The new Battle.net will completely revolutionise the current version, but Blizzard is still looking to making this experience free for anyone buying StarCraft II or future games that use Battle.net. One idea which has been discussed in different iterations is microtransactions, meaning the service is free, but added value services like starting a custom tournament, league, or the like would cost a small amount of money. # Facebook like "ID-page" so you can "distinguish" yourself, includes your Real Name and mail address if you put it in for Payment Details, which is awesome for Phishers, Hackers and Spammers alike... # Actual Facebook integration, personally I don’t want a “platform” to be bundled with the games I want to play, that I’m being forced to use and I don’t need Stats about how often and how long I’ve been to the toilet, I just want separate chat channels with a simple friends list and simple /invite /ignore /add /remove features like back in the day to be able to play the game and that’s about it… In general, be wary of marketing people using the word “platform” to describe something… almost nothing good came of it, X-Box Live, Steam, Facebook Platform etc. are described as “platforms” and they always come with additional DRM, microtransactions and often even subscription fees. http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24732 Q u o t e: "There is no better opportunity to launch this strategic initiative than through the launch of StarCraft II," said Kotick on the call. "The Battle.net platform is an investment in the future of gaming, and an opportunity that we are uniquely positioned to capitalize on." - Bobby Kotick # More ads (thanks to contract with Massive - company for commercials owned by Microsoft), they also collect your IP and "standard information" http://community.microsoftadvertising.com/blogs/analytics/archive/2009/08/25/massive-s-in-game-advertising-season-kick-off.aspx Q u o t e: Through an agreement with Blizzard Entertainment, Massive is the exclusive advertising service provider for the World of Warcraft community web sites as well as the Battle.net online gaming service. A newly redesigned Battle.net platform will launch with StarCraft II in 2010, for which Massive will also be the exclusive advertising service provider. # No LAN or playing with friends anymore, everyone HAS to be logged in to the great Overlord hivemind B.Net 2.0 and every person HAS to have a key of the game (and every following Add-On) to be able to play with friends or family. Remember those times when a friend came over and you played a few rounds of StarCraft over LAN or you tried to introduce someone, that wasn’t really interested/hadn’t played the game before to it the same way and Blizzard didn’t say or do anything to prevent that? Well not anymore… cause to be able to do that you’ll have to have bought all the products and gone through a lengthy process of creating a B.Net 2.0 Account and Register the keys to it… # Selling one game as a 3-parter (if the first part costs 60$/60€... what do you think the so-called "Expansions" will cost? If you think they’re below 40$/€ you're out of your mind xD) To play the full multiplayer (with all units and buildings etc.) and play competitively you will have to buy all 3 and register all 3 CD-Keys. http://www.starcraft2.com/faq.xml Q u o t e: If I buy StarCraft II but don't buy any of the expansion sets, will I still be able to play online? Yes. This will work similarly to Warcraft III and the original StarCraft, which maintained separate online gaming lobbies and ladders for expansion set players and players with the base Warcraft III or StarCraft. How will the expansion sets impact multiplayer gameplay? The expansion sets will add new content to each race for use in multiplayer matches. This could include additions such as new units, abilities, and structures, along with new maps and Battle.net updates. # Achievements (yay, thanks for keeping track of how awesome I am Blizzard... everyone's been eagerly awaiting those on the PC) As much as I might actually like the actual game and want to pay for it, this is just too much (marketing) crap to sift through, to be able to enjoy the good parts. Thanks for all the good gaming experiences you’ve delivered in the past Blizzard and good luck. I strongly urge everybody to read the text at the link that Coma posted. I reposted it here in the above quote so it would be more visible, as I really don't think many people know about this, but absolutely everybody should know about it. Whether or not you want to go along with it is up to you, but you should definitely have knowledge, because I feel the same as Perfect Balance: Some of this "contract" is fucking DISGUSTING. There's just no other word for it. Do you really know what you're getting into...or what you might agree to when you login to BNet? Especially since you are more or less required to be on BNet at all times (This might be changed, indicated by the recent "play offline" button in the new patch, but...essentially there is no way to play the game without given "implicit consent" that they can spy on you, record you, monitor, edit, sell, or claim as their own work, your personal info, creations, maps, voice, thoughts...) I honestly don't even know that that has legal standing in a court of law. (i.e., it sounds pretty illegal gaizzz) Implied consent is a very loose term... That link will probably give you an "oh shit, what the FUCK?????" moment when you read. : / On a lighter note...Blizzard lives near me so I'll punch that fucker in the face! if they wanna throw down about mah personal infoz. But seriously, read the link. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:46 Perfect Balance wrote: Read it carefully. This is BAD, people. This is shockingly, disgustingly bad. Does anyone actually agree with this, after reading it? They can sell your private information, phone number, email, anything they want to anyone they want. I think this is an interesting test, t o see if people are willing to dig their own grave for cheap entertainment and temporary safety. I can't believe some of the content in this contract. Never read anything like it! I'm in shock.. They can sell your credit card to the aliens!!! | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:47 kajeus wrote: They can sell your credit card to the aliens!!! That's lulzy, but even from that aspect, they could give your info to a zerg changeling and kill you while you sleep, as your dna is replicated. ..and you agreed to it. DUDE.FUCK.NO.DUDE. | ||
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Thenas
Sweden107 Posts
The following places I find it lacking. 1. Victory/defeat info tab lacks a lot of info like units lost / produced, building razed / constructed and all that good stuff we had in BW. also the way minerals are counted in scores rahter than how much mineral / gas you have harvested. 2. Lack of easy to get ratingsystem. 3. Complete void of chat rooms. 4. Current lack of options for adding friends without giving them your Bnet acc name. 5. Localized. There's probably more that I'll think of once I go ingame but these are the basics. I don't mind the facebook crap, not that I'll ever use it but they can throw it in there for all I care, however I really would have liked for them to implement chatrooms before such a feature. I find the facebook link feature a little bit of an overkill, your gonna add the people you are friends and wanna play SC with even without the facebook feature. I see chatrooms building the community more than linking your profile to your facebook account and that's why I would have liked to see a chatroom function in the game before facebook linking. | ||
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
All things in mind, its still good practice to read all the license agreements, etc. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I had fun (despite spending 6+ hours driving) and I met some really cool people including Nero (who I met because I let him borrow my mouse, he is lefty and I was done with my games, he was sitting next to me, really nice guy.) But there were a flood of problems with the game and bnet2.0 First, there is some kind of limit on how many people can be on Bnet 2.0 from the same IP, how blizzard expects lans or tourneys to take place with this and no lan support is beyond my comprehension. We overcame this by having all 100 people there, proxy server. It worked, kinda. So then we started playing and all the games were laggin ass. I remember hearing things like "who lags at a lan?" and "wtf is this" shouted out quite a bit. It's really sad that it is impossible to have lan latency in SC2, even at a lan. How can there ever be a pro league without lan? It would be plagued by disconnects and pauses. That's pretty much how the tourney went. Disconnects and lag throughout. We played a few games of BW (RACE WARS!!) and they ran perfect, ironically those games were the funnest part of the whole day for me. I walked around and most people were playing other games as well, after only about 2 hours of SC2 frustration. A few playing BW, some playing Team Fortress, a few WOW and other various games, all without issue. After the round of 16 had to be stopped for the 3rd time, due to BNet problems I decided to leave. Worst part is, I actually spent more time driving than playing yesterday. I feel bad for the people at lan knights and ender who worked so hard to make this event happen, got such a nice location and support for this event. Sadly, I found out today that the tourney was unable to get past the Ro8 due to all the issues. No prizes have yet been awarded. I have not played a game of SC2 since the last 2 patches that most would consider playable. Nothing but constant lag and drops. I haven't played Sc2 since my last game in the tourney yesterday. Just lost interest in it. This from a guy who fought his way from the bottom of bronze to top 5 in gold. The funny thought I had after reading all the TL nerd rage about all the issues people are having, is this, maybe this 1 month beta break is gonna be a breaking point for the SC2 release. I think so many people are going to be playing BW for the next month and having more fun doing it rather than Sc2, that it will have a hugely negative effect on sc2 opinions. When people are getting frustrated and turned off by all the sc2 bugs and Bnet2.0 issues and then they go back and tear it up on iccup they will be asking themselves "What was so great about SC2 again?" The balance, the lag, the chatrooms, the fun you have playing. Over the next month all of these things are going to be on a lot of minds and under a microscope as people go back to BW after 2 months of Sc2. I'm wondering how Sc2 is going to stack up. Furthermore, if Sc2 and Bnet2.0 are released and huge improvements haven't been made is it possible Sc2 will be merely a shadow of what BW was? Time will tell, but whatever the case this beta break will be a time of serious comparison. Remember the Power outage? A glimpse of Starcrafts future perhaps. I wonder how many sponsors want to be embarrassed by hosting sc2 events that are overshadowed by controversy. Here's a picture someone made at the event yesterday, it made us all lol! ![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/4q6gch.jpg) Edit: Blizzard End User Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON" I find this disgusting as well! | ||
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Niteo
United States28 Posts
I think it is every avid fan's duty to let blizzard know our current distaste for battle.net 2.0. During the month or so of down time, we can only pray they make considerable changes to battle.net 2.0. Such as the complicated process of adding chat channels. | ||
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
Good read thought, i totally agree. that "feedback, Tell us what you think about the game" tab is just ridiculous. I've never been more disappointed to be in a beta than at SC2 Beta and i've been in other betas but this is just ridiculous. | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
On May 24 2010 10:40 Drakan wrote: i feel so sad bcz threads like this keep appearing but no blizzard team will ever listen... Good read thought, i totally agree. that "feedback, Tell us what you think about the game" tab is just ridiculous. I've never been more disappointed to be in a beta than at SC2 Beta and i've been in other betas but this is just ridiculous. 20 people should go and post links to all of these different threads on TL in multiple different threads on the Beta forums. Spam 'em till they finally open their eyes. | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
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shlomo
258 Posts
- mod edit - User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
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Afterhours
United States125 Posts
On May 24 2010 11:03 lolaloc wrote: I find it amusing that we were barking at the wrong tree (D. Browder) a few weeks ago. Now we have found our true enemy (G. Canessa). This right here should be talking fathoms to a majority of forum posters. Most of them dont even have a clue on wtf is going on. So they just jump on the bandwagon. Yeah, the one thats heading for a cliff... | ||
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Gentlebite
United States132 Posts
On May 24 2010 09:46 Perfect Balance wrote: Read it carefully. This is BAD, people. This is shockingly, disgustingly bad. Does anyone actually agree with this, after reading it? They can sell your private information, phone number, email, anything they want to anyone they want. I think this is an interesting test, t o see if people are willing to dig their own grave for cheap entertainment and temporary safety. I can't believe some of the content in this contract. Never read anything like it! I'm in shock.. That is entirely not bad, but horrible | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
Raging Nerd Agreement: WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO SEARCH OUT AND DISCLOSE BLIZZARD EMPLOYEE INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON" I hope this makes them think twice. | ||
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shlomo
258 Posts
(check his facebook) Yeah, who would've thought uh? | ||
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im a roc
United States745 Posts
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On May 24 2010 11:06 Afterhours wrote: This right here should be talking fathoms to a majority of forum posters. Most of them dont even have a clue on wtf is going on. So they just jump on the bandwagon. Yeah, the one thats heading for a cliff... I have decent understanding of what's going on. The man in-charge of creating Battle.net 2.0 is a marketing expert. It perfectly explains the divisions, achievements, and facebook integration. It all caters to a casual audience. I bet Mr. Canessa never watched a single SC1 game being played by professionals and he thinks the SC franchise is just another RTS. | ||
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