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On May 24 2010 07:10 Sent wrote:P.S Facebook integration sucks. On Weapon of Choice they said if FB email is the same as your BNet email it automatically logs you in no choice which is fucked up. I deleted my Facebook a couple months ago, but that's the biggest issue I would have with BNet is Facebook. Oh and yes chat channels as second biggest 
Are you serious? This is really really fucked up. I will delete my Facebook account soon anyway, but this is serious bullshit by blizzard.
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imo stone is better cus it doesn't have facebook integration
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On May 24 2010 07:55 Colts-500 wrote:
what do you mean pufftrees? i play it for the fun of it and to play with my freinds. now u could call me a causual gamer but i dont really care if theres face book or any of that other stuff. if you dont like the new b net dont buy the game strike it or get a petition its not called right to free speech for nothing!
OK this is getting bothersome. We play for the fun of it with our friends. I don't really care if there's facebook either but it cuts down on the time they could use to do ACTUAL THINGS.
The fact that we don't like Battle.net 2.0 isn't even close to being enough for fans to not buy the game. Get that in your head. We will buy the game anyway. As fans, however, it is our duty to speak out when we don't like something. WE THINK that B.net2.0 is trash. We wish for the bnet2.0 team to pick up the slack. It's supposed to be better than the first version and currently it definitely isn't better.
We don't need to make a petition, this is what it takes. It'll probably get in Blizz's head that we don't actually like it because it's flat out inferior to its predecessor.
STOP SAYING "DON'T BUY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE INTERFACE"
It's beta. It exists so people can say those things.
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On May 24 2010 07:44 Colts-500 wrote:
i agree about the freind system but all the other stuff i dont really care bout cause if you dont like them dont use the feature or dont buy the game at all i dont know what your crying about but if you dont like the leagues system well get over it or dont buy the game sheesh
That's not* how beta tests work.
They're designed to get insight on what likely end-users (generally more advanced end-users, at that) think is neat, or needs work, or is simply just severely lacking.
I'm so fucking sick of people saying "stop crying dont give you feedback if you dont like it", blah fucking blah.
POINT: BLIZZARD asked beta testers for feedback, as they should have, but are now acting petty,childish, foolish, and just plain ignorant when that feedback is provided to them.
What kind of message does that send to you? Do you think that's a good business model? Do think that if you applied for a job with that attitude, blizzard, or any other game developer, would ever even give an inkling of a consideration of a THOUGHT of hiring you?
Most of the people "whining", as you so lamely put it, are doing exactly what blizzard asked them to do and what being a beta tester means. Most of us, all the beta testers who are, again "whining", which really means "giving feedback as requested", desperately want SC2 to be massively awesome. I'd love for it to be, and I truly wish nothing more than for this game to be "THE BOMB BABY!"
Gamers have been here a while, you give them little credit for their views. And similarly to how I can tell your post fails in epic fashion, gamers who have actually been around a while and watched the scene grow from its roots of NOTHING to a worldwide phenomenon, well, they can see failure coming. And that's what we want to avoid. We want to buy the game. We want to like it, hell, we want to love it and be obsessed and plain addicted to the title. But for any of that to happen, for gamers to be happy, for Blizz to make (b?)illions, it's got to be damn good.
And it ain't.
That is my response on how asinine and typically narrow-minded your response, and many similar responses from e-tards really can be.
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On May 24 2010 07:53 aka_star wrote:
sack the man that invented bnet 2.0 and hire the HON boys, they'll put it right for you and probably at a far cheaper cost too
This, tbh. HoN has a nearly perfect online system in my eyes, and it at least covers every major feature you would want.
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On May 24 2010 08:03 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 07:53 aka_star wrote:
sack the man that invented bnet 2.0 and hire the HON boys, they'll put it right for you and probably at a far cheaper cost too This, tbh. HoN has a nearly perfect online system in my eyes, and it at least covers every major feature you would want.
I am not disagreeing with you at all. I agree!
But to draw a parallel and bring that comment in the scope of this thread and its contents...
so does Battle.Net "1.0". It was pretty damn good.
Somebody needs to bash Blizzard in the skull until their brains bleed the old adage...
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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On May 24 2010 08:00 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 07:55 Colts-500 wrote:
what do you mean pufftrees? i play it for the fun of it and to play with my freinds. now u could call me a causual gamer but i dont really care if theres face book or any of that other stuff. if you dont like the new b net dont buy the game strike it or get a petition its not called right to free speech for nothing!
OK this is getting bothersome. We play for the fun of it with our friends. I don't really care if there's facebook either but it cuts down on the time they could use to do ACTUAL THINGS. The fact that we don't like Battle.net 2.0 isn't even close to being enough for fans to not buy the game. Get that in your head. We will buy the game anyway. As fans, however, it is our duty to speak out when we don't like something. WE THINK that B.net2.0 is trash. We wish for the bnet2.0 team to pick up the slack. It's supposed to be better than the first version and currently it definitely isn't better. We don't need to make a petition, this is what it takes. It'll probably get in Blizz's head that we don't actually like it because it's flat out inferior to its predecessor. STOP SAYING "DON'T BUY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE INTERFACE"It's beta. It exists so people can say those things.
Speak for yourself. I'm as big of an SC fan as anybody, but unless blizzard changes gears pretty quickly with Bnet 2.0, I will NOT buy the game. They really should just get S2 games to do their bnet 2.0, the HoN bnet is currently 100x better then BNet 2.0 and they did it with 1/100th of the staff.
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On May 24 2010 07:04 Sent wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 06:47 InfiniteIce wrote:
I plainly disagree and so would many of the people in this thread, I think it's fair to say.
Want to back your statement up with counter-claims, or just spray 'n' pray, making claims and hoping one of 'em hits somewhere vital? Comeon... Alrighty. Here's what I think in total, sorry for not explaining it all right off the bat: ELO has been used for a long time, at least since the 60s. I don't see how you can blame BNet 2.0 for using it. Also saying that you are favored or not could when you aren't could be a bug, but in the end you win or you don't. On that note their aren't enough players to even give a good analysis of their laddering and ELO system. So far it seems to work fine, the only set backs of course is the player pool and that cannot be blamed on Blizzard or BNet or ELO. Yes it will obviously favor you playing more games. No way a system can place you on the top of a ladder after playing 5-20 games. No system can. Show nested quote +In the platinum (now diamond) league, however, there is no reason to hide information like an overall rank from the players. Yes perhaps one valid point here, but if they lauch as is, to me it's a super minor. It's an annoyance, not game breaking. There are sites that aggregate everyone already so you can see all of Platinum. They also probably named the divisions so no one would believe that Diamond #1 is higher up than Diamond #25. Show nested quote +To make up for the shortcomings of the ranking and matchmaking system, Blizzard stuck in an achievement system. There are achievements in every game nowadays and I don't see why you would expect there not to be in this one. Also all the of achievements don't require anything other than playing multiplayer and the single player. It has zero effect on your gameplay. It doesn't require you to "Win in under 4 minutes" or anything like that. Show nested quote +LAN support, clan systems, chat channels, gone. Three of the most important aspects of a successful online gaming service are just missing, and Blizzard has explicitly stated that they have no intention of putting them back in any recognizable format that we’re familiar with. It's been ten years since the first game and for small get togethers, too bad no LAN. I really haven't been to a LAN in the past few years that didn't have so sort of internet for everyone there anyway. For me LAN is a non issue, but that's just FOR ME. Blizzard isn't so stupid that in very large live tournaments there will be no LAN option specifically for that purpose (It obviously would die in Korea within a week). As for chat channels, well I'd love to have those too, but right now forums and ventrilo work fine...for now.----------------------------------------------------- Besides the Patch 13 mishaps, the game is pretty amazing for the giant mountain of anticipation they had to climb. Also you have to remember that Blizzard is not just catering to the TeamLiquid hardcore, but also every casuals who last played SC when they were 10. The HDH finals just gathered 23k viewers! I can't see BNet 2.0 as such an epic failure.
They've flat out said that there will not be LAN
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10 out of 10 Would read again.
I once said the Mothership was the single biggest dissapointment in Starcraft 2. I was wrong. BNET 2.0 is far and away the worst thing about Starcraft 2.
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On May 24 2010 03:22 D10 wrote:
I agree 100%
The Blizzard we knew that delivered is dead.
How or Why u guys keep making these kind of comments? I mean for real, do u guys think non sense whining would help in some way? is this really making things better?
Common, is it really hard to believe that SC2 is still in its BETA PROCESS, every time Blizzard do something all u guys do is complaining, I would Understand mature conscious feedback, but not plain whining. Just Be Patient, try to understand its a lot of work that has to be done, be thankful you've already tried the game for free, things will get better and better.
In the meantime GO do something productive PLZ, thx in advance.
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On May 24 2010 08:14 daz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 08:00 Djzapz wrote:On May 24 2010 07:55 Colts-500 wrote:
what do you mean pufftrees? i play it for the fun of it and to play with my freinds. now u could call me a causual gamer but i dont really care if theres face book or any of that other stuff. if you dont like the new b net dont buy the game strike it or get a petition its not called right to free speech for nothing!
OK this is getting bothersome. We play for the fun of it with our friends. I don't really care if there's facebook either but it cuts down on the time they could use to do ACTUAL THINGS. The fact that we don't like Battle.net 2.0 isn't even close to being enough for fans to not buy the game. Get that in your head. We will buy the game anyway. As fans, however, it is our duty to speak out when we don't like something. WE THINK that B.net2.0 is trash. We wish for the bnet2.0 team to pick up the slack. It's supposed to be better than the first version and currently it definitely isn't better. We don't need to make a petition, this is what it takes. It'll probably get in Blizz's head that we don't actually like it because it's flat out inferior to its predecessor. STOP SAYING "DON'T BUY THE GAME IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE INTERFACE"It's beta. It exists so people can say those things. Speak for yourself. I'm as big of an SC fan as anybody, but unless blizzard changes gears pretty quickly with Bnet 2.0, I will NOT buy the game. They really should just get S2 games to do their bnet 2.0, the HoN bnet is currently 100x better then BNet 2.0 and they did it with 1/100th of the staff.
This. I'll have no problem playing SC2 on a private server, either. Yes, they already do and will continue to exist and evolve, much to Blizzard's contrary, as well as to their chagrin.
I didn't pre-order, and I'm not going to buy it if it's still as shitty at release as it is now. Or, to put it in a more specific way, if it's not worth $120-180 (yup, 3 parts to the same battle.net system to play it all...), then I'm sure as hell not going to spend it.
Currently it's not worth it. Needs work, severely. or there will be TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE.
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Kennigit
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Doesn't Greg Canessa's background focuses on casual players (ie history at XBox Live/Pop Cap)? It's no wonder so much focus is on these things like achievements and facebook  . I dont want to sling shit at an easy target, but i really feel the designers of this system are completely out of touch with what users NEED
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Wait, hold on. Im not sure I understand. Can people explain to me why the dislike the facebook addition so much? Is it because its taking resources from doing something else? Are you strictly against FB?
Im noticing so much energy going into how much people hate the FB addition to 2.0, yet im not sure what exactly the negative impacts are.
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I agree mostly with OP. I honestly hope they're just removing certain features so they can make us test the "new" features, but are planning to add them back later.
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World of Warcraft turned out to be a cash cow beyond anyone's expectations. I think it's absolutely insulting to the customers how Michael Morhaime and the other tribesmen at Blizzard have run their company the past few years. What bothers me is that the lack of communication in Battle.net 2.0 is deliberate. They are actively shutting down peoples ability to go to chat channels and communicate with other users of their product, and preventing people from saying "white", "lust" and "black" to their friends.
..and they've made the option of adding friends extremely difficult, unless you're using Facebook, a website that completely infringes on your privacy. The facebook integrations is advertisement in a game which we paid for. That's a degrading slap in the face from a company I used to respect.
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On May 24 2010 08:26 Kennigit wrote:Doesn't Greg Canessa's background focuses on casual players (ie history at XBox Live/Pop Cap)? It's no wonder so much focus is on these things like achievements and facebook . I dont want to sling shit at an easy target, but i really feel the designers of this system are completely out of touch with what users NEED
not only NEED but what is actually USEFUL for gamers to fully enjoy the game, feels like they kind of set this one on autopilot because they know so many people loved the original and will come back for more regardless. sad.
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On May 24 2010 08:22 danbel1005 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 03:22 D10 wrote:
I agree 100%
The Blizzard we knew that delivered is dead. How or Why u guys keep making these kind of comments? I mean for real, do u guys think non sense whining would help in some way? is this really making things better? Common, is it really hard to believe that SC2 is still in its BETA PROCESS, every time Blizzard do something all u guys do is complaining, I would Understand mature conscious feedback, but not plain whining. Just Be Patient, try to understand its a lot of work that has to be done, be thankful you've already tried the game for free, things will get better and better. In the meantime GO do something productive PLZ, thx in advance.
Is it nonsense? Just because you do not agree with a particular point of view doesn't make it nonsense. At all. Is it whining? I feel as if I am rationally discussing this without any intent of "whining". Seems like a term you pulled out of your ass, or heard bandied around the interwebs, and latched onto for the sole purpose of these types of arguments.
In reality, it is not nonsense, it is feedback. It is not whining, but, surprise, feedback.
Do I think it would help in some way? Yes, if Blizzard was willing to listen. Blizzard evidently thought the same at some point, since they have a beta test and asked for our feedback, and include a link to the feedback forums directly in the game menu.
So yea, it is supposed to help the game improve by giving feedback. Do you have a better reason as to why they're a beta phase? It's certainly not to give you free time to play it. Blizzard is not a charity company.
Stop saying "its beta". That's not a legitimate reason for it to be this bad. SC2 beta should not be this terrible, this close to the OFFICIALAWL release date.
Most of this thread is mature, conscious feedback. It's evident that you said that without actually reading the thread.
Why should I be thankful I tried the game for free? Blizzard needs beta testers more than beta testers need Blizzard. That's how software dev works. They should be thanking the testers, if anything, for their time, effort, and patience. It's not like Blizz is coding this out of the goodness of their heart. They want us to give them money, in the end.
So, along with "it's beta", "be thankful to blizzard" is now added to the list of utterly useless remarks that validate no facts, and serve no purpose than to make the user of those phrases look like an idiot. Stop. PLZ. thx in advance.
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On May 24 2010 08:22 danbel1005 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 03:22 D10 wrote:
I agree 100%
The Blizzard we knew that delivered is dead. How or Why u guys keep making these kind of comments? I mean for real, do u guys think non sense whining would help in some way? is this really making things better? Common, is it really hard to believe that SC2 is still in its BETA PROCESS, every time Blizzard do something all u guys do is complaining, I would Understand mature conscious feedback, but not plain whining. Just Be Patient, try to understand its a lot of work that has to be done, be thankful you've already tried the game for free, things will get better and better. In the meantime GO do something productive PLZ, thx in advance.
I have mostly held my piece until this last patch that completely destroyed bnet. The problem is that blizzard had been doing a decent job of getting the game playable, and then they went and took about 400000000 steps back with 13. They nerfed the ultra in an attempt to get it to be played more, and they destroyed their servers.
I know its a beta and meant to fix things, but for god sakes, shouldnt things get better over the course of a beta and not worse?
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